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I guess they need more cannon fodder for the war trump is bound to get us into


What war? You seem to be fear mongering.



When the economy improves less people join the military. Probably having real issues now with the economy doing the best its been in 17 years.
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uncletim wrote:

I guess they need more cannon fodder for the war trump is bound to get us into


What war? You seem to be fear mongering.



When the economy improves less people join the military. Probably having real issues now with the economy doing the best its been in 17 years.


you call it fear mongering I call it predicting the inevitable
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uncletim wrote:


jewishrapscallion wrote:


uncletim wrote:

I guess they need more cannon fodder for the war trump is bound to get us into


What war? You seem to be fear mongering.



When the economy improves less people join the military. Probably having real issues now with the economy doing the best its been in 17 years.


you call it fear mongering I call it predicting the inevitable


So you want it to happen?
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No I am saying it's going to happen not that I want it to happen
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No I am saying it's going to happen not that I want it to happen


How do you know it's going to happen? Are you a psychic or g-d?
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uncletim wrote:


No I am saying it's going to happen not that I want it to happen


How do you know it's going to happen? Are you a psychic or g-d?

Nope just pay attention to history

tell you what if we are not at war in the next three years I will buy you a coke

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uncletim wrote:


jewishrapscallion wrote:


uncletim wrote:


No I am saying it's going to happen not that I want it to happen


How do you know it's going to happen? Are you a psychic or g-d?

Nope just pay attention to history

tell you what if we are not at war in the next three years I will buy you a coke



So it was inevitable that we would be in a war regardless of who won the election?

We are still at war with North Korea though. Unless Trump does get peace with North Korea than you will have won that bet.
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Yes in fact I think it would have been more likely if Clinton had won. We are just due
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uncletim wrote:


Yes in fact I think it would have been more likely if Clinton had won. We are just due


Hopefully we can avoid any major land conflict for a while longer.
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In a loose way JROTC is basically the first thing, and they can waiver the second basically forever if they really, really want to. Even more broadly, with the cutoff changes. People unable to serve in a viable capacity.

Much like self-mutilation, or drug dependencies. Alcoholism is already a problem for the military services. It isn't as if they have medically trained people out there watching the Basic Training groups to make sure that no one gets crippled.
Kinda but you aren't under any contract in JROTC. You could theoretically sign a contract at 13 (with parental guidance) but it would be a waste of time and money since things will change in the 4-5 years waiting to get shipped out. The age limit waiver, the only real way of getting that is if you are a doctor / chaplain going in as an officer, enlisted side is pretty much a 0% chance since its PDQ and you won't even get considered. There just isn't a need to increase the age limit. The meat grinder only wants fresh meat
It's alot of time and money going into the enlisting process, its not like these people just get in super easily. You can't be currently be having issues with it and a doctor will have to sign off on it, after that you still have to turn in a waiver that may or may not be approved.

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uncletim wrote:
Yes in fact I think it would have been more likely if Clinton had won. We are just due


Clinton wouldn't Tweet her way into a land war in Asia.



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The meat grinder only wants fresh meat


That's ultimately what it comes down too. I mean, lets face it, Army recruiters have never met a dumb kid from a poor family they didn't like. But the current generation has grown up with unending and unnecessary wars. There's nothing noble or patriotic about being sent off to Iraq to clean up Bush Jr's mess for example. Its gotten a lot harder for them to sell the cause on top of all the other problems they're having such as physical requirements.


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So they don't want to make the same mistake as they did on the recruiting controversy-referral bonus if I am not mistaken.

Lifting the ban means they can recruit and approve waivers as many as they want until the quota is met.

But if they want to recruit more soldiers, then have the weapons research and development move back within the US Army instead of contracting it with a 3rd party.
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doesn’t the military end up giving you ptsd anyway
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animegirl2222 wrote:
doesn’t the military end up giving you ptsd anyway


Any kind of armed conflict certainly can. Perhaps they're just trying to cut out the middle man? -.-

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That's ultimately what it comes down too. I mean, lets face it, Army recruiters have never met a dumb kid from a poor family they didn't like. But the current generation has grown up with unending and unnecessary wars. There's nothing noble or patriotic about being sent off to Iraq to clean up Bush Jr's mess for example. Its gotten a lot harder for them to sell the cause on top of all the other problems they're having such as physical requirements.
The big ticket seller for the last several years has been free college. But recruiters will sell you what you want, and kinda like you said people aren't all that interested in getting deployed (even to an overseas base).
To the dismay of forum users here, I know people who hated the fact that they got sent to Japan.
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