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Posted 11/26/17 , edited 11/26/17
Net Neutrality should NOT be repealed. I could give a million reasons why but multiple YouTubers already have so this just gonna be a summerization of what I feel without all the facts.....

This is just a cash grab for companies and the like. It's not gonna help the consumer(you). You get nothing out of it other than being robbed of your money or being stuck in the laggy video lane. All of this is greedy. Plain and simple. I like to listen to the two sides of the topic but the reasoning for this is so blantently greedy & one sided(towards the companies) that it makes me genuinely laugh. Nothing good can come from this. THERE SHOULDNT EVEN BE A DEBATE ABOUT IT!!! Like I've stated a multitude of times: it's just people being greedy & trying to milk money out of people for absurd "innovated & business" reasons.
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Posted 11/26/17 , edited 11/26/17

walnut_raisin wrote:
Net Neutrality should NOT be repealed


fixed, as i believe that's what you meant. net neutrality is already in effect, but FCC is strongly considering removing it
maybe Congress should take the case and protect net neutrality by enacting an actual law, though this would require not only the majority of House / Senate, but enough votes to overturn the President's veto.
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Posted 11/26/17 , edited 11/26/17

namealreadytaken wrote:


walnut_raisin wrote:
Net Neutrality should NOT be repealed


fixed, as i believe that's what you meant. net neutrality is already in effect, but FCC is strongly considering removing it
maybe Congress should take the case and protect net neutrality by enacting an actual law, though this would require not only the majority of House / Senate, but enough votes to overturn the President's veto.


*face palms* sorry that was a stupid mistake on my part. Thanks for finding it!
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It's a done deal pretty much. The FCC Does. Not. Care.


Only way this gets saved is if this goes to the courts. Otherwise....if you got a major cable company, you're definitely fucked.


For those of us who have an independent company that wouldn't be beholden to anyone like Comcast/Verzion....wait and see.

https://twitter.com/Moondragon_1/status/934421411153760263
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It's a fight that won't be won or lost at any one point. It goes back and forth depending on who is in power, like so many other things.

We the consumers/citizens are caught in the middle of a fight between two major industries. Ideally, the government would be the voice of the people in this fight. In reality the Democrats support net neutrality because they get funding from tech companies (google, netflix, apple, amazon, etc.). Republicans want to repeal it because they get funding from telecom companies (comcast, AT&T, Verizon, etc.)

In this case the people's interests happen to align more closely with the tech companies/Democrats. But let's not pretend anyone is really on our side.
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Posted 11/26/17 , edited 11/26/17
In this era? It's all about the corporations and no longer about the common people.

Luckily for me, my cable company is independent and not some major cable company's bitch to where if I want to go on here, I won't be directed to whatever Comcast/Verizon's anime site is.


Hopefully.

But I do think the courts will step in at some point. Millions have people have voiced their opinions; someone's gotta be paying attention since the FCC don't care.
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Posted 11/26/17 , edited 11/26/17

Nogara-san wrote:

In this era? It's all about the corporations and no longer about the common people.

Luckily for me, my cable company is independent and not some major cable company's bitch to where if I want to go on here, I won't be directed to whatever Comcast/Verizon's anime site is.


Hopefully.

But I do think the courts will step in at some point. Millions have people have voiced their opinions; someone's gotta be paying attention since the FCC don't care.


But couldn't this choke out those smaller independant cable companies only leaving the larger ones & having it like a monopoly??
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It's a done deal pretty much. The FCC Does. Not. Care.


Only way this gets saved is if this goes to the courts. Otherwise....if you got a major cable company, you're definitely fucked.


For those of us who have an independent company that wouldn't be beholden to anyone like Comcast/Verzion....wait and see.

https://twitter.com/Moondragon_1/status/934421411153760263





Nogara-san wrote:

In this era? It's all about the corporations and no longer about the common people.

Luckily for me, my cable company is independent and not some major cable company's bitch to where if I want to go on here, I won't be directed to whatever Comcast/Verizon's anime site is.


Hopefully.

But I do think the courts will step in at some point. Millions have people have voiced their opinions; someone's gotta be paying attention since the FCC don't care.



Unfortunately, it doesn't matter if your cable company is "independent"; the smaller, more independent providers are often paying the larger internet service providers and cable companies licensing fees. Most are just middle men.

All we can do is contact our representatives, join in protests, and just generally show that the people will not take this lightly. Showing that many of the people that get them into office do not want net neutrality repealed and that they may not get re-elected if they don't do something is the best thing we can do.
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Posted 11/26/17 , edited 11/26/17

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Nogara-san wrote:



It's a done deal pretty much. The FCC Does. Not. Care.


Only way this gets saved is if this goes to the courts. Otherwise....if you got a major cable company, you're definitely fucked.


For those of us who have an independent company that wouldn't be beholden to anyone like Comcast/Verzion....wait and see.

https://twitter.com/Moondragon_1/status/934421411153760263





Nogara-san wrote:

In this era? It's all about the corporations and no longer about the common people.

Luckily for me, my cable company is independent and not some major cable company's bitch to where if I want to go on here, I won't be directed to whatever Comcast/Verizon's anime site is.


Hopefully.

But I do think the courts will step in at some point. Millions have people have voiced their opinions; someone's gotta be paying attention since the FCC don't care.



Unfortunately, it doesn't matter if your cable company is "independent"; the smaller, more independent providers are often paying the larger internet service providers and cable companies licensing fees. Most are just middle men.

All we can do is contact our representatives, join in protests, and just generally show that the people will not take this lightly. Showing that many of the people that get them into office do not want net neutrality repealed and that they may not get re-elected if they don't do something is the best thing we can do.


That was kinda what I was thinking

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Posted 11/26/17 , edited 11/27/17
Google and Facebook want the Orwellian Net Neutrality because it affects their bottom line. They don't want ISPs to do things like favor your Netflix stream traffic over their AdWords traffic. Imagine if an ISP offered a service that filtered out ads and spyware, saving you on your data plan! Google and Facebook make most of their money off that stuff, so they do not want consumer control via ISP service.
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Posted 11/26/17 , edited 11/26/17
NOTICE: This is about transferring jurisdiction from the FCC to the FTC. The "Killing Net Neutrality" seems to be a red herring.

FTC Privacy Regulation, sec.177:

Restoring FTC jurisdiction over ISPs will enable the FTC to apply its extensive privacy and data security expertise to provide the uniform online privacy protections that consumers expect and deserve.651


https://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017/db1122/DOC-347927A1.pdf

Direct quote from FCC release, p.83


Many of the largest ISPs (Comcast, AT&T, Verizon, Cox, Frontier, etc.) have committed in this proceeding not to block or throttle legal content.507 These commitments can be enforced by the FTC under Section 5, protecting consumers without imposing public-utility regulation on ISPs.508


"ISP's are going to bait and switch my internet plans":

The FTC’s unfair-and-deceptive-practices authority “prohibits companies from selling consumers one product or service but providing them something different,” which makes voluntary commitments enforceable.502 The FTC also requires the “disclos[ur]e [of] material information if not disclosing it would mislead the consumer,” so if an ISP “failed to disclose blocking, throttling, or other practices that would matter to a reasonable consumer, the FTC’s deception authority would apply.”503


ISPs cannot conspire to restrict the internet in any way. (FCC invokes Sherman Act Antitrust Laws, Section 144, p.85, FCC release)

Section 1 of the Sherman Act bars contracts, combinations, or conspiracies in restraint of trade, making anticompetitive arrangements illegal. If ISPs reached agreements to unfairly block, throttle, or discriminate against Internet conduct or applications, these agreements would be per seillegal under the antitrust laws.518


Restrict my Netflix:

If an ISP that also sells video services degrades the speed or quality of competing “Over the Top” video services (such as Netflix),526 that conduct could be challenged as anticompetitive foreclosure.




We also conclude that the Commission should have been cautioned against reclassifying broadband Internet access service as a telecommunications service in 2015 because doing so involved “laying claim to extravagant statutory power over the national economy ..."


The FTC also has much more power when it comes to breaking up monopolies and preventing anti-competitive behavior which is something corporations HATE.
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i sent a message to congress earlier this year and the salt i got back from this man was remarkable

shit im moving out soon idk how imma pay for all of that tbh
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Your republican congressmen decided to undermine your freedom for a couple grand.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale?platform=hootsuite

I'm not saying the Democrats wouldn't but it is a common trend post Clinton era in the Republican party to prioritize corporate interests over the common man. In the last 20 years the divide between poor quality of life and prosperity in America have not aligned correctly and we are seeing the angst only grow from year to year...

Even your common Republican lower class citizen is distrustful (Though many aren't entirely sure where to align their anger towards). It's the reason they elected Trump to begin with. They wanted someone who they thought would give the lower income a boost by bringing jobs back and controlling the borders. The problem is that that the Republican arguments are largely baseless for real economic growth. In fact, many of the ideas would actually increase the disparity by most economist metrics.

This whole deal with large corporate incentives taking priority over individual prosperity and liberation is unjustifiable. The courts already ruled that corporations are people -- they just get preferential treatment by not having to serve jail time for laws broken and having privileges that your everyday citizen does not have. Monopolies are no longer broken up, in fact, they are almost welcomed under the veneer of the 'free market' when in actuality there is nothing free about a couple corporations controlling our main business avenues and destroying the competition before it has a chance to prosper.

This thing with ISP's will only continue because these companies have large financial horizons to do so. And increasingly so it will be at the cost of your ability to exist in a competitive and fair system.

Net neutrality needs to be protected, no doubt... But I'd argue here the bigger issue is the government no longer takes a strong stance against power that is too centralized in companies.
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Net Neutrality should NOT be passed. I could give a million reasons why but multiple YouTubers already have so this just gonna be a summerization of what I feel without all the facts.....

This is just a cash grab for companies and the like. It's not gonna help the consumer(you). You get nothing out of it other than being robbed of your money or being stuck in the laggy video lane. All of this is greedy. Plain and simple. I like to listen to the two sides of the topic but the reasoning for this is so blantently greedy & one sided(towards the companies) that it makes me genuinely laugh. Nothing good can come from this. THERE SHOULDNT EVEN BE A DEBATE ABOUT IT!!! Like I've stated a multitude of times: it's just people being greedy & trying to milk money out of people for absurd "innovated & business" reasons.


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Google and Facebook want the Orwellian Net Neutrality because it affects their bottom line. They don't want ISPs to do things like favor your Netflix stream traffic over their AdWords traffic. Imagine if an ISP offered a service that filtered out ads and spyware, saving you on your data plan! Google and Facebook make most of their money off that stuff, so they do not want consumer control via ISP service.


ISP wouldn't offer such a service to begin with since they own the ad companies, and want people to use as data as possible so they can charge over usage fees. Not like we even need those sort of services anyways with ad block,no script,and a bunch of other programs freely available.
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