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Posted 12/9/17 , edited 12/9/17

koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:

Hey, I appreciate all these responses. It helps.

I want to steer the conversation more towards the 'why people leave reviews only after viewing a couple episodes' rather than, 'I don't go by reviews to determine an anime's worthiness"

I have not stated that I use reviews as a barometer for whether or not I would view an anime.

I have stated that I check in on the reviews of some of my favorite animes - as in, ones I already have watched and love.

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Cobaltseas, very good point that a less-than-comprehensive review has value if it illustrates a drop in the series prematurely.

Personally, I think it's disrespectful at worst and 'listen to me' at best.

I view it as someone coming to a restaurant, trying the first course of a multi-course meal, writing up a review about the whole thing, and leaving.

Is it not like that?


A long running narrative in order isn't the exact same as trying a few dishes. Just saying. If a dish has a cockroach in it, I am out of there. Entertainment isn't the same to me, I can tolerate quite a bit of crap in the first episode, especially for long runners. (Gintama and One Piece.) To me, it is a semiweighed average or something. (Much more weight for the middle and ending then beginning)

In fairness, a reviewer for novels explained his reviewing rules when it comes to unfinished works.


"If the first 400 pages are not any good, then how can I expect the next 400 to be?"


This is perhaps more applicable to especially large series, but I think it is something to consider.

I really only use reviews to come to a conclusion about an anime I finished, versus using them to consider whether or not I will watch it. (While praise does tend to bring anime to my "to watch" list, great dislike hardly does the same for me.)
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Posted 12/9/17 , edited 12/9/17

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A long running narrative in order isn't the exact same as trying a few dishes. Just saying. If a dish has a cockroach in it, I am out of there. Entertainment isn't the same to me, I can tolerate quite a bit of crap in the first episode, especially for long runners. (Gintama and One Piece.) To me, it is a semiweighed average or something. (Much more weight for the middle and ending then beginning)

In fairness, a reviewer for novels explained his reviewing rules when it comes to unfinished works.


"If the first 400 pages are not any good, then how can I expect the next 400 to be?"


This is perhaps more applicable to especially large series, but I think it is something to consider.

I really only use reviews to come to a conclusion about an anime I finished, versus using them to consider whether or not I will watch it. (While praise does tend to bring anime to my "to watch" list, great dislike hardly does the same for me.)



I think you surmised the general feelings of the thread with this post. Thank you.

That said, I don't like to keep things with unraveled threads for more than it needs be.. so, to direct this thread to something, possibly actionable:

What should be done, if anything, to help Crunchyroll's reviewing platform be more helpful?



I would see value in a "episodes watched" column added, so we can filter by that. What do you all think?


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Posted 12/9/17 , edited 12/10/17

koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:
I would see value in a "episodes watched" column added, so we can filter by that. What do you all think?


Meh. Most shows can be judged by the first ep. Some by the first few.

The few that can't (School Days and Angel Beats, e.g.) are rare birds.
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Posted 12/9/17 , edited 12/10/17

koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:


That said, I don't like to keep things with unraveled threads for more than it needs be.. so, to direct this thread to something, possibly actionable:

What should be done, if anything, to help Crunchyroll's reviewing platform be more helpful?



I would see value in a "episodes watched" column added, so we can filter by that. What do you all think?




Lock actual reviews to those who have watched at least half of the episodes of a season as per the tracking that's already attached to CR accounts. If you want to post early impressions or "Early Reviews" you can use the forums. Pretty much every show out there has a discussion thread and if your show of choice doesn't, make one.

If that's deemed too draconian, then let everyone post reviews but sort and weight reviews based on how much of a show a user has actually been flagged as watching.

Sure it's true that you can get a pretty decent bead on most shows within a few episodes but if you drop a show after, say, 3 episodes I'm not really sure your opinion counts for an actual full review. Once again, early impressions and reasons for dropping a show belong in the forums not in actual weighted displayed reviews.
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I'm torn over early reviews. On the one hand many people, myself included, use reviews as a guide when deciding on which anime to fit into a crowded schedule. So seeing an anime get high marks early makes it more likely I'll try to squeeze it in. On the other hand we've all experienced anime that start out great then crash and burn by the end.

Plus often early reviews, at least the useful ones, will give more insight into the series than the blurb or preview. Offering comparisons to other series or helping to refine exactly what is appealing about the series or giving a heads-up about it's quirk that could be make or break.

Maybe some system should be added that lists the number of episodes viewed by the reviewer? Or adding a required field to the review that says something like "Watched 2 out of 12 episodes"?

Also, allowing people to see more reviews without having to scroll click to so much I think would help a lot. Side by side columns that might show less text but at least make it easier to see more of the reviews on a single page.
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Posted 12/9/17 , edited 12/9/17

koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:

Hey, I appreciate all these responses. It helps.

I want to steer the conversation more towards the 'why people leave reviews only after viewing a couple episodes' rather than, 'I don't go by reviews to determine an anime's worthiness"

I have not stated that I use reviews as a barometer for whether or not I would view an anime.

I have stated that I check in on the reviews of some of my favorite animes - as in, ones I already have watched and love.

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Cobaltseas, very good point that a less-than-comprehensive review has value if it illustrates a drop in the series prematurely.

Personally, I think it's disrespectful at worst and 'listen to me' at best.

I view it as someone coming to a restaurant, trying the first course of a multi-course meal, writing up a review about the whole thing, and leaving.

Is it not like that?



Its simply because of the feature where the most viewed/rated review is viewed first in the list. So people watch the first episode as it comes out and try to be "first", almost guaranteeing them the top spot in the reviews column.
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Posted 12/10/17 , edited 12/10/17

koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

A long running narrative in order isn't the exact same as trying a few dishes. Just saying. If a dish has a cockroach in it, I am out of there. Entertainment isn't the same to me, I can tolerate quite a bit of crap in the first episode, especially for long runners. (Gintama and One Piece.) To me, it is a semiweighed average or something. (Much more weight for the middle and ending then beginning)

In fairness, a reviewer for novels explained his reviewing rules when it comes to unfinished works.


"If the first 400 pages are not any good, then how can I expect the next 400 to be?"


This is perhaps more applicable to especially large series, but I think it is something to consider.

I really only use reviews to come to a conclusion about an anime I finished, versus using them to consider whether or not I will watch it. (While praise does tend to bring anime to my "to watch" list, great dislike hardly does the same for me.)



I think you surmised the general feelings of the thread with this post. Thank you.

That said, I don't like to keep things with unraveled threads for more than it needs be.. so, to direct this thread to something, possibly actionable:

What should be done, if anything, to help Crunchyroll's reviewing platform be more helpful?



I would see value in a "episodes watched" column added, so we can filter by that. What do you all think?




Lock reviews so they won't be shown till a few hours after episode 6/12 or 12/24 are released. In compensation, make a more robust system reliant on the stars rating that are accumulated either through per episode ratings, or the overall ratings over time.

Though honestly, I agree with Lorreen. The review portion serve as a casual and thus short input for any viewers to jot down their thoughts. As such, most people won't bother to read reviews that are either less than 5 stars, or more than 5 lines of text. People primarily rate on the number of stars instead of the content, so I do not see the point. One can only do so much before the viewerbase needs to be changed, and that is hardly an easy task.

If we are talking about the heavy weighing of just first episode impressions, then I understand.
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Posted 12/11/17 , edited 12/11/17
I can understand the desires to want a review of a complete series. I don't think it will work though.

Who will stick to the end of a 13+ episode bad series, then carefully critique it weighing pros and cons, if it's not their paid job? If you watch a whole series a) you liked the show overall, b) are OCD and have to finish everything you start.


As long as people are clear how many shows they've seen, not a problem.

Don't waste energy hating the haters -- post your own review. "X people found this review helpful" exists for a reason.
Posted 12/11/17 , edited 12/11/17
Reviewing a show in of itself is useless, let alone reviewing it early
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Posted 12/11/17 , edited 12/11/17

marklebid wrote:

I can understand the desires to want a review of a complete series. I don't think it will work though.

Who will stick to the end of a 13+ episode bad series, then carefully critique it weighing pros and cons, if it's not their paid job? If you watch a whole series a) you liked the show overall, b) are OCD and have to finish everything you start.


As long as people are clear how many shows they've seen, not a problem.

Don't waste energy hating the haters -- post your own review. "X people found this review helpful" exists for a reason.


There is hardly such a thing as being objective if you ask me. Really, this only extends to at most reading other reviews and opinions, but not to such a great extent. In any case, I rather trust the average joe over a paid reviewer, who aren't coerced by money on the belief that their opinion is somehow worth more. (Especially in the anime medium.)

The "X people found this review helpful" is hardly helpful in of itself. It is simply a matter of disagreement or agreement, and this is all based on the amount of stars a show has, not the content of the review, regardless of whether the review is a one liner dregs of the review section, or a well enunciated body of text.

The problem here is less the review system but with people. I doubt any fundamental changes to the review system will change the populace into the acting the way the OP wants.
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Posted 12/11/17 , edited 12/11/17
Thanks for the input all <3
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