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Post Reply Has a portion of the Republican party been compromised?
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Posted 12/12/17 , edited 12/12/17

Some interesting back seat investigation off of Reddit. What do you guys think?


Well, as Litvinenko said before being poisoned by the FSB on orders of Putin, Russia is a mafia state. Putin was put into power by the same man who put Trump into power: Semyon Mogilevich, aka Brainy Don. To understand Trumps connection to Semyon Mogilevich, recall that Paul Manafort worked for Viktor Yanukovych and the pro-Yanukovych Party of Regions. The party of regions is financed by Dmytro Firtash, who co-owns RosUkrEnergo with Gazprom 50/50, though it's said Mogilevich is Yanukovych's "hidden" secret partner and that Mogilevich owns Gazprom and it's parent company Alphabank. Firtash admitted that it was with Mogilevich's permission that he was even allowed to do business in Ukraine during the '90's. If you follow the connections from the republican party to Gazprom and Alphabank, you'll realize the full depths in which the republican party has been compromised.

Here's a short list:
Carter Page
Rudy Giuliani
Arthur Finklestein
Richard Burt
Michael Caputo
Wilbur Ross
Rex Tillerson
Eric Prince
Betsy Devos
Robert Mercer
Steve Bannon
Sebastian Gorka
Paul Manfort
Patrick Pizzela
Patton Boggs
Don McGahn
Trent Lott
John Breaux
Jack Abramoff
Greg Gianforte
James McCrery
Jay Dickey
Warren Tryon

I'd like to point out that Mueller has been hot on the mafia trail. Here is an article that flew under the radar months ago.
http://www.palmerreport.com/news/fbi-arrests-ten-people-in-new-york-city-with-alleged-ties-to-donald-trump-and-russian-mafia/2090/
It appears Felix Sater had been one of the first to "flip" (he was already an FBI informant) and the FBI had been following the mafia trail ever since. For those who aren't familiar, Felix Sater pled guilty and turned into an FBI informant for a penny stock fraud scheme run by the Bonanno crime family.



I don't have time right now to find sources for all claims, but feel free to do some further Google-fu to find the info. Here are what I could scrap together really quickly.
Carter Page met with Gazprom owner Igor Sechin in Moscow, according to his own testimony in Congress:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/7/16616912/carter-page-testimony-trump-russia
This is corroborated by the Steele Dossier: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-trump-russia-igor-sechin-dossier-2017-1
Carter Page was being recruited by a Russian spy ring before being broken up by the FBI: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/04/russian-spy-met-trump-adviser-carter-page-and-thought-he-was-an-idiot/
One of the spies mentions Carter Page is "hooked on Gazprom."
Rudy Giuliani Arthur Finklestein
Richard Burt:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-campaign-lobbyist-russian-pipeline-229264
Richard Burt is also on the Board of Directors at Alfabank.
Michael Caputo worked for Gazprom Media:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/us/politics/michael-caputo-house-committee-russia-trump.html
Wilbur Ross did business with Putin's son-in-law
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/wilbur-ross-russia.html
Rex Tillerson was CEO of Exxon when it merged with Gazprom:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2016/12/13/inside-rex-tillersons-long-romance-with-russia/?utm_term=.e970f27a46f8
Eric Prince
Betsy Devos run Spectrum Health's servers were pinging Trump Organization servers and servers to Alfabank.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/fbi-investigation-continues-into-odd-computer-link-between-russian-bank-and-trump-organization/index.html
Robert Mercer own SCL with Dmytro Firtash: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/trumps-data-analytics-company-allow-russia-access-research-pj-wilcox
Steve Bannon works for SCL and Cambridge Analytica.
Sebastian Gorka
Paul Manfort partnered with Dmytro Firtash: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/trumps-data-analytics-company-allow-russia-access-research-pj-wilcox
Patrick Pizzela: http://www.bluedotdaily.com/yes-trumps-russian-scandal-is-real-it-all-traces-back-to-one-guy/
Patton Boggs Don McGahn Trent Lott John Breaux Jack Abramoff: http://www.bluedotdaily.com/yes-trumps-russian-scandal-is-real-it-all-traces-back-to-one-guy/
Kellyanne Conway: http://www.bluedotdaily.com/yes-trumps-russian-scandal-is-real-it-all-traces-back-to-one-guy/
Greg Gianforte: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/greg-gianforte-republican-candidate-congress-russia-companies

James McCrery Jay Dickey Warren Tryon


https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7hrmjo/robert_mueller_is_following_the_money_and_that/dqtk71y/?st=jb3v3eru&sh=dc52693a

It all seems coincidental and I wouldn't attribute much value to it but it is still a strange coincidence that this many Republicans have ties to the Russian Mafia. Someone put a lot of time into this aisle argument. I'm not qualified to say that this is something uniquely Republican. Maybe with a bit of research you could find just as many Democrats but it is still worth raising an eyebrow at.


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Posted 12/12/17 , edited 12/12/17
If the Russians compromised them to this level, it's because they were compromised by money and greed in the first place.
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LakeJucas wrote:

If the Russians compromised them to this level, it's because they were compromised by money and greed in the first place.


I'd argue this is true on both sides. Lobbying is how the senate and house operates. You could make a case that in an ideal setting it is a great means to push ideas but it's becoming more and more clear that we are lead towards a system that only rewards the wealthiest companies and that does not represent the market. Much like people there is a big difference in thinking between a multinational company and a grass roots small business. I think money, again like people, changes the way a business makes its decisions. At a certain point our representational needs are no longer represented. And it's not even a senators fault entirely. They depend on this money for several things and most of them probably don't think they are compromised as people. Their decisions no longer make sense though.

Protect and serve? What are they protecting exactly in their decisions? Shareholders. That seems to be the case as our country moves forward. There was a time when I thought revolutions were foolish. That anything can be reasoned through if you root out the interconnectivity of problems and reason through them. But the roots seem to be so ingrained in how we do things that we may only get worse with time. I don't see meaningful legislation changing how the government operates economically anytime soon. It would seem a revolution is necessary though. What that means or what it looks like I'm not sure.

But even if that happens what then? We start a system that prioritizes people more? What if capitalism simply moves towards its inevitable situations again. Where the wealthy prioritize themselves and amass power, even at the expense of themselves ultimately. It happens often and the only way I think it doesn't is if we stop treating business like it is something that should intertwine with government.
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Posted 12/12/17 , edited 2/23/18
We need to ban ALL foreign donations to candidates and their non-profits. Become a politician, whelp you can no longer receive any financial donations from foreign countries or people. America is for Americans not anyone else and they should have no financial say.
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Too many obvious connections between Trump's financials, the people who ran his campaign, and the Russians. What I love most is the majority of the time he and his idiot sons incriminate themselves. Gonna be fun to see all this play out.
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Posted 12/13/17 , edited 12/13/17
it's not uncommon for compromised any political party or politician. unfortunately some go in with good intentions, before they leave they have corrupted themselves somewhere. flip flopping, rhino.. all of these are factors of compromised/corruption and this is an all party, not just one side or another. as for it being compromised this go around, nope, not seeing that either. there's no such thing as someone who isn't/won't sell their soul, everyone has a price, it may be high, but everyone has a price. however, for those going in corrupt already, starting to see a lot of those. and, thanks to homework, it's coming out sooner than later, often times they are already in office, but still it's appearing. minus the fake news smears of course (on both sides of the fence).
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17
The Republican party has been compromised but not by Russian sock puppets.

It is undergoing a slow motion takeover by the Dissident Right who tire of their weakness and compromise with Democrats.

Having said all that, it will be years before the results start to show (if they ever do).

And it was Hillary not Trump who trousered the money selling uranium to the Russians.

They wanted her because she can be bought and has a long history of corruption that can be leveraged for influence.

Trump, not so much.
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Rujikin wrote:

We need to ban ALL foreign donations to candidates and their non-profits. Become a politician, whelp you can no longer receive any financial donations from foreign countries or people. America is for Americans not anyone else and they should have no financial say.


This.
While I do think that the United States should be cautiously open to helping our allies in certain moments of distress, they should not be able to contribute to a candidate, their non-profit, or their party's overseeing committee.
Making financial contributions feels like a method of "polluting" the results, as many end up donating to both candidates just so that they're in a win-win situation (someone will owe them, somewhere along the lines).
This is really where this thread is coming from; even though the subject outlines the Republican party as a whole, it's actually both parties that have heavy contributions from corporations that have headquarters in foreign countries (albeit, they have an office or two in the United States), various nationals from varying countries, and other similar financial groups.


TheZaphod wrote:
The Republican party has been compromised but not by Russian sock puppets.

It is undergoing a slow motion takeover by the Dissident Right who tire of their weakness and compromise with Democrats.

Having said all that, it will be years before the results start to show (if they ever do).


It's always been a bit of a "financial shell game" for those on both sides of the aisle in Congress.
The Republicans are slowly being swapped out by those who have strong support by people like Bannon and other like-minded powerhouses.
In the current state of affairs, though, I would have to say that there is an alarming amount of connections to Russia when it comes to our politicians.
But this goes back to my response to Rujikin, as neither party is necessarily "innocent" in their financial dealings with foreign countries.


TheZaphod wrote:
And it was Hillary not Trump who trousered the money selling uranium to the Russians.

They wanted her because she can be bought and has a long history of corruption that can be leveraged for influence.

Trump, not so much.


I would have to disagree to one element of this statement.
While there is evidence supporting that Clinton had been bought out by multiple countries (including the Russians), President Trump isn't exactly in the ballpark where there wasn't any evidence supporting that one could not leverage his influence.
Considering a significant amount of his financial dealings in the mid-to-late 80's were directly associated with Russian banks, it would not be hard to say that throwing some funds at him to sway influence wouldn't work.
After all, President Trump touts himself as a businessman who focuses on the "end-game" of a deal.
Even if he may be under scrutiny at one point, it's often ignored or forgotten later down the line (attention deficit disorder seems to be rampant in the United States political realm).

Neither were immune to influence, it's just that Clinton had more of a public situation where it shows an association.
The OP is showing association with others but that doesn't define cause or purpose; which makes the correlation of "sock puppet" too strong.
Calling in a favor is pretty much how our government functions as a whole.
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 3/4/18
brought to us by reddit, the same master investigators that gave us pizzagate.
having said that, there might be some connections with Russia. i'll wait for actual professionals to investigate, instead of relying on internet trolls.
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brought to us by reddit, the same master investigators that gave us pizzagate.
having said that, there might be some connections with Russia. i'll wait for actual professionals to investigate, instead of relying on internet trolls.


Also the same people who called out Weinstein years ago.

For as much bullshit they come up with sometimes they hit the mark.
Better to just wait on professionals as you say though.
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Posted 12/15/17 , edited 3/4/18

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namealreadytaken wrote:

brought to us by reddit, the same master investigators that gave us pizzagate.
having said that, there might be some connections with Russia. i'll wait for actual professionals to investigate, instead of relying on internet trolls.


Also the same people who called out Weinstein years ago.

For as much bullshit they come up with sometimes they hit the mark.
Better to just wait on professionals as you say though.


That may not get you much either.

The entire "fake news" flare up was driven by the "professionals" in the main steam media distorting facts to sell a narrative rather than promoting the truth.

In many ways this is the era of the Big Lie and no-one seems to be telling the truth consistently.

Interesting times...


Posted 2/22/18 , edited 2/23/18
Yeah ask Google who outspends others lobbying politicians
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The United States has the best government money can buy...


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Posted 3/4/18 , edited 3/5/18

Rujikin wrote:

We need to ban ALL foreign donations to candidates and their non-profits. Become a politician, whelp you can no longer receive any financial donations from foreign countries or people. America is for Americans not anyone else and they should have no financial say.


I'd go a step further and ban corporate donations including domestic ones in their entirety. Seems like a very obvious breech of ethics to me.
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