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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17

AedonBlackheart wrote:

I would be more convinced to do the ancestry thing if more of their commercials were honest. No more of this "my great, great grandmother was a revolutionary pioneer who helped bring people to the new world." or "my great grandfather invented a new way to blah blah, blah." Let's hear some "my ancestors did nothing. Absolutely nothing. They worked dull jobs for little pay and got no reward from it." Or better yet lets her from those whose ancestors were criminal masterminds. That would be so much more interesting.


How many people are going to want to hear that?
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17

qualeshia3 wrote:


AedonBlackheart wrote:

I would be more convinced to do the ancestry thing if more of their commercials were honest. No more of this "my great, great grandmother was a revolutionary pioneer who helped bring people to the new world." or "my great grandfather invented a new way to blah blah, blah." Let's hear some "my ancestors did nothing. Absolutely nothing. They worked dull jobs for little pay and got no reward from it." Or better yet lets her from those whose ancestors were criminal masterminds. That would be so much more interesting.


How many people are going to want to hear that?


I don't know about others but I personally would be thrilled.
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17
I have thought about it, it's probably not 100% but I'm certain it's remotely accurate. if you're trying for the native American rolls you have to take their form of DNA test which tracks down what tribe and so forth. it sounds interesting all the same. since I didn't like the idea of sending my DNA (blood, other) to the government, yet after a recent dog bite situation where they had to send the blood off for testing, well, the government got the DNA now so what's the point in trying to hide from the government in this retrospect.
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17
I had the ancestry dna given to me as a gift and I thought it was pretty cool.



It gives you a breakdown like that, with a little map. You can click the different locations and it will tell you specifically which countries from each region. There is also a little timeline that shows when your family immigrated and where to. My mom's side (the European part of me) came in the early 1700s and that is what this suggested along with the regions they settled and eventually moved to.

So it coincided with what we expected from my family history.
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17
Yeah I've had it done. That .6% Sub-Saharan African tho. Well, this is the American Southeast I live in...



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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17
You guys might want to be concerned that this stuff is mostly a scam

Inside Edition got identical triplets to take these ancestry tests and got 3 different results every time

http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/21784-how-reliable-are-home-dna-ancestry-tests-investigation-uses-triplets-to-find-out

It'll probably take lots of research and time to find a company that is reliable enough for good information

Even then, how would you verify such a thing?
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17

LakeJucas wrote:

You guys might want to be concerned that this stuff is mostly a scam

Inside Edition got identical triplets to take these ancestry tests and got 3 different results every time

http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/21784-how-reliable-are-home-dna-ancestry-tests-investigation-uses-triplets-to-find-out

It'll probably take lots of research and time to find a company that is reliable enough for good information

Even then, how would you verify such a thing?
First, they may not actually have been identical--the only way to tell for sure whether same gender twins/trips/etc are identical or fraternal is to do a DNA test. You can have cases of people who look like they're identical but they're actually not. Secondly, they were just looking at the ethnicity results, where there could potentially be some small variations. They run your DNA through the model 40 times and average things, but if you look at the range around any of your ethnicities it's generally quite large, so even if you were to submit a 2nd test, you could see some variation in those results. And if they're not actually identical, then they'd show the same sorts of variation that are possible for any siblings to show. The part of the test that tells whether they're identical or not was not even mentioned in the clips that I saw. If they were identical, they would have all come up as self/twin matches to each other. If they weren't, then they would have shared an amount of DNA consistent with any other non-twin/triplet siblings. I didn't see them say anywhere how much DNA the triplets shared with each other. That's the accurate part of the test (measuring how much DNA you share with other people in the database).

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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17
It seems kind of interesting to me. If I had the extra cash to spend I would do it for sure.
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/15/17

Sawilagar wrote:


LakeJucas wrote:

You guys might want to be concerned that this stuff is mostly a scam

Inside Edition got identical triplets to take these ancestry tests and got 3 different results every time

http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/21784-how-reliable-are-home-dna-ancestry-tests-investigation-uses-triplets-to-find-out

It'll probably take lots of research and time to find a company that is reliable enough for good information

Even then, how would you verify such a thing?
First, they may not actually have been identical--the only way to tell for sure whether same gender twins/trips/etc are identical or fraternal is to do a DNA test. You can have cases of people who look like they're identical but they're actually not. Secondly, they were just looking at the ethnicity results, where there could potentially be some small variations. They run your DNA through the model 40 times and average things, but if you look at the range around any of your ethnicities it's generally quite large, so even if you were to submit a 2nd test, you could see some variation in those results. And if they're not actually identical, then they'd show the same sorts of variation that are possible for any siblings to show. The part of the test that tells whether they're identical or not was not even mentioned in the clips that I saw. If they were identical, they would have all come up as self/twin matches to each other. If they weren't, then they would have shared an amount of DNA consistent with any other non-twin/triplet siblings. I didn't see them say anywhere how much DNA the triplets shared with each other. That's the accurate part of the test (measuring how much DNA you share with other people in the database).



Uh dude, even if they weren't identical triples, they shouldn't end up with wildly different ancestry results. How does that makes any sense? They literally have the exact same ancestors. >_>
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17

LakeJucas wrote:


Sawilagar wrote:


LakeJucas wrote:

You guys might want to be concerned that this stuff is mostly a scam

Inside Edition got identical triplets to take these ancestry tests and got 3 different results every time

http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/21784-how-reliable-are-home-dna-ancestry-tests-investigation-uses-triplets-to-find-out

It'll probably take lots of research and time to find a company that is reliable enough for good information

Even then, how would you verify such a thing?
First, they may not actually have been identical--the only way to tell for sure whether same gender twins/trips/etc are identical or fraternal is to do a DNA test. You can have cases of people who look like they're identical but they're actually not. Secondly, they were just looking at the ethnicity results, where there could potentially be some small variations. They run your DNA through the model 40 times and average things, but if you look at the range around any of your ethnicities it's generally quite large, so even if you were to submit a 2nd test, you could see some variation in those results. And if they're not actually identical, then they'd show the same sorts of variation that are possible for any siblings to show. The part of the test that tells whether they're identical or not was not even mentioned in the clips that I saw. If they were identical, they would have all come up as self/twin matches to each other. If they weren't, then they would have shared an amount of DNA consistent with any other non-twin/triplet siblings. I didn't see them say anywhere how much DNA the triplets shared with each other. That's the accurate part of the test (measuring how much DNA you share with other people in the database).



Uh dude, even if they weren't identical triples, they shouldn't end up with wildly different ancestry results. How does that makes any sense? They literally have the exact same ancestors. >_>

First, they may not actually have been identical--the only way to tell for sure whether same gender twins/trips/etc are identical or fraternal is to do a DNA test. You can have cases of people who look like they're identical but they're actually not. Secondly, they were just looking at the ethnicity results, where there could potentially be some small variations. They run your DNA through the model 40 times and average things, but if you look at the range around any of your ethnicities it's generally quite large, so even if you were to submit a 2nd test, you could see some variation in those results. And if they're not actually identical, then they'd show the same sorts of variation that are possible for any siblings to show. The part of the test that tells whether they're identical or not was not even mentioned in the clips that I saw. If they were identical, they would have all come up as self/twin matches to each other. If they weren't, then they would have shared an amount of DNA consistent with any other non-twin/triplet siblings. I didn't see them say anywhere how much DNA the triplets shared with each other. That's the accurate part of the test (measuring how much DNA you share with other people in the database).

EDIT: Also FYI, just because something isn't an exact science doesn't automatically make it a scam. Also, 23andme updates your ancestral composition when a new chip comes out. Why would they bother if they were only interested in money?
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17

Sawilagar wrote:


LakeJucas wrote:


Sawilagar wrote:


LakeJucas wrote:

You guys might want to be concerned that this stuff is mostly a scam

Inside Edition got identical triplets to take these ancestry tests and got 3 different results every time

http://www.insideedition.com/investigative/21784-how-reliable-are-home-dna-ancestry-tests-investigation-uses-triplets-to-find-out

It'll probably take lots of research and time to find a company that is reliable enough for good information

Even then, how would you verify such a thing?
First, they may not actually have been identical--the only way to tell for sure whether same gender twins/trips/etc are identical or fraternal is to do a DNA test. You can have cases of people who look like they're identical but they're actually not. Secondly, they were just looking at the ethnicity results, where there could potentially be some small variations. They run your DNA through the model 40 times and average things, but if you look at the range around any of your ethnicities it's generally quite large, so even if you were to submit a 2nd test, you could see some variation in those results. And if they're not actually identical, then they'd show the same sorts of variation that are possible for any siblings to show. The part of the test that tells whether they're identical or not was not even mentioned in the clips that I saw. If they were identical, they would have all come up as self/twin matches to each other. If they weren't, then they would have shared an amount of DNA consistent with any other non-twin/triplet siblings. I didn't see them say anywhere how much DNA the triplets shared with each other. That's the accurate part of the test (measuring how much DNA you share with other people in the database).



Uh dude, even if they weren't identical triples, they shouldn't end up with wildly different ancestry results. How does that makes any sense? They literally have the exact same ancestors. >_>

First, they may not actually have been identical--the only way to tell for sure whether same gender twins/trips/etc are identical or fraternal is to do a DNA test. You can have cases of people who look like they're identical but they're actually not. Secondly, they were just looking at the ethnicity results, where there could potentially be some small variations. They run your DNA through the model 40 times and average things, but if you look at the range around any of your ethnicities it's generally quite large, so even if you were to submit a 2nd test, you could see some variation in those results. And if they're not actually identical, then they'd show the same sorts of variation that are possible for any siblings to show. The part of the test that tells whether they're identical or not was not even mentioned in the clips that I saw. If they were identical, they would have all come up as self/twin matches to each other. If they weren't, then they would have shared an amount of DNA consistent with any other non-twin/triplet siblings. I didn't see them say anywhere how much DNA the triplets shared with each other. That's the accurate part of the test (measuring how much DNA you share with other people in the database).

EDIT: Also FYI, just because something isn't an exact science doesn't automatically make it a scam. Also, 23andme updates your ancestral composition when a new chip comes out. Why would they bother if they were only interested in money?


Dude, I read your post. Copy and pasting your post again doesn't even address what I'm saying, but not to mention it's extremely rude. I don't even think you watched the video because it's pretty damn clear these are identical triplets who would have the same DNA. Plus, why in the hell do you think Inside Edition would try this with people who didn't have identical DNA? You are the one who is making assumptions about identical triplets in the first place.

They are literally siblings that came out of the same mother with the same father and they ended up with wildly different ancestry results.

Clearly if these tests are producing three wildly different results off of identical triplets or even just triplets, there are flaws in the system
, and I really doubt as many people would be buying into these tests if they knew they were possibly getting the results they were getting by chance.

Maybe you are just trying to justify your own purchase? I have no idea. But it wasn't me who put out the fucking report in the first place, so take it up with Inside Edition.
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/14/17

LakeJucas wrote:
Clearly if these tests are producing three wildly different results off of identical triplets or even just triplets, there are flaws in the system and I really doubt as many people would be buying into these tests if they knew they were possibly getting the results they were getting by chance.


I knew the chances when I ended up purchasing the DNA/Ancestral kit from 23andme.
There are some who purchase these kits with the misconception that they will somehow validate their own bias towards their understanding of their family history.

I will second Sawilager's comment about 23andme updating your profile whenever they create a new chip to test for additional information (including genetic markers for diseases, some of which have been approved by the FDA).
It has changed some of the data of my ancestral report by about 2-4% over the last year since I first got my data sorted.
I wouldn't necessarily say that it's by chance but rather, nothing is 100% accurate, it takes time to accumulate enough data to associate to the correct markers.


LakeJucas wrote:
Maybe you are just trying to justify your own purchase? I have no idea. But it wasn't me who put out the fucking report in the first place, so take it up with Inside Edition.


These kinds of purchases are, more or less, for one's own curiosity.
I don't really feel there's any need to justify such a purchase, seeing as it doesn't really change who I am or give me some clarity on my family's ancestry.
It's like purchasing a novelty mug that's $35 when you know it's only worth $5 if it didn't have some obscure phrase or logo on it.

As for the "report", it was an article without much scientific logic placed onto the study/investigation.
It isn't as though Inside Edition is knee-deep in scientific principles and newsworthiness, either.
It's interesting that their corner case as evidence is an unpopular DNA test (Family Tree DNA) and require you to tune in to their program that aired earlier in the year to find out which other DNA services that they used and the results of said services.
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/15/17
I haven't actually done it myself, but both of my parents have so I don't really feel the need to. I can just take both of their tests and divide by two. Not surprisingly they were both about 98% European (mostly western and southern), but each of them also had a surprise 1% they each knew nothing about, my mother's being Yakut (eastern Siberian native) and my father's being Sub-Saharan African.

It was kind of cool to find out, I guess, but not something I'd ever spend my own money on.
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/15/17
nah not interested
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Posted 12/14/17 , edited 12/15/17
They can't even get the DNA of twins or triplets current. If you sensend in a sample multiple times you get multiple results especially to different people.

From what I hear they can get your major DNA correct but everything else is a crapshoot.
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