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Posted 12/15/17
*Spoiler Alert!*
This is a thread to talk The Last Jedi. I'll be using spoiler tags for the OP, but if you want to avoid spoilers it would likely be best to avoid discussion threads about this movie. You've been warned.
*Spoiler Alert!*

Overall, the narrative flow of The Last Jedi felt more fluid than The Force Awakens. Despite critics' complaints about the middle portion following Finn and newcomer Rose, to me if felt right at home in the overall narrative of the story as well as the Star Wars universe. If anything, the last act felt like LotR: Return of the King, where narrative fatigue started to set in due to the length of the movie. It's still fresh on my mind, but very little sticks out to me as being a serious flaw with the movie. Each of the main trio got more time to shine this time around, and Kylo Ren finally came into his own. I enjoyed every minute of it.

On Snoke:


On Phasma:


On the Force:


On Porgs:


On Leia:
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Posted 12/15/17 , edited 1/21/18
The only two movies I found worse than this were Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. Which apparently also happens to reflect audience scores.

I don't have a lot to say about it since I watched it late last night and am still sort of digesting the experience. But I definitely think my greatest disappointments lied in how Snoke and Luke were handled. And the story's plot in general was just something I had a hard time finding interesting.
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Posted 12/16/17
Coming into Last Jedi as a very casual Star Wars fan, I found the movie to be an okay ride for it's couple hours plus run time but almost immediately after I left the theatre I found my opinion to start dropping. I'm usually someone who gives Critics their due and can at least appreciate their perspective even if I don't always agree but, in this case, I just don't get it. Last Jedi just isn't a good movie. Maybe it holds something for the big Star Wars fan but from the few impressions I've read/watched after seeing the movie last night it seems like it actually is even worse for them in some ways than it is for me because they have more to question and pick apart.
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Posted 12/16/17
Overall I really liked the movie. I do agree that not learning ANYTHING about Snoke really sucked. And I do wonder if Leia will die off screen or will she just live forever off screen.
I was surprised be how much humour was in it
I really liked how Finn and Rose went on a mission that failed, because that shows that the rebellion doesnt just always succeed
Seeing Leia use the Force was pretty cool
Great action sequences!

Its slightly better than The Force Awakens, but has a few holes
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Reading through some of the negative fan reviews one thing in particular strikes me: since when have Star Wars fans become allergic to humor? The original trilogy was rampant with snark, especially A New Hope. And the only humor that even remotely broke the pace was the porg infestation on the Millennium Falcon.
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I absolutely loved the film! I felt it fit in very well with the current story, and the humor never felt overused/out of place. The only issue I had with it, at all, was the Leia scene...that felt too dues ex machina-ish for me...But other than that, it was a fantastic experience, and I cannot wait to see it again!!
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Posted 12/16/17 , edited 12/16/17
Interesting perspective on the humour as that's one of the elements that really did hurt the movie for me. As said above, I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan and I do realize that the entire series (generally) is a fairly campy swashbuckling affair, but the humour in Last Jedi just felt too constant and over the top. Almost none of the moments that were obviously intended to feel dramatic or cool did because the movie couldn't stop smirking, winking, making fun of itself and failing with "badass" one liners. There was no real build up of gravitas so there was no real emotional payoff. The only times I felt real emotional weight were the scenes with meta aspects like the Luke and Leia reunion.
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I'm a pretty big fan of the Star Wars franchise/universe and I really loved The Last Jedi. There a few reasons I feel that way.

- Cinematography is really important to me and I feel like this was the best looking SW movie. Overall it's very well shot. There were some shots that were absolutely beautiful. And the shot reverse shot on the island was a really clever use of that directing technique.
- Less black and white than previous SW movies. I think it did a better job of showing the whole light/dark two side of the same coin thing than in the past. The stuff on Luke's island really showed off how someone can turn to the dark side.
- The villain. Kylo is a pretty layered villain with internal conflict. That's not too common in today's blockbuster movies or in past SW movies. It's usually just some pure evil guy bent on destruction and ruling the world/galaxy. And I personally didn't need any backstory on Snoke. He was always just s supporting character to me. Just there to reveal character growth and motivation for Kylo.
- It's the first SW movie where I wasn't sure what was gonna happen next. It kept me guessing and I still don't know where exactly they'll take it in Episode 9.
- I felt like it was about something more than just a battle of good and evil. It's about distrust between generations. How the choices of the older generation affects the younger and how the younger deals with it. Living up to expectations and finding your place in all of that. The confusion and anger that can be born out of that and how you move forward. "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

All that being said, this is not a perfect movie. There are noticeable flaws and missteps here and there. Some that directly relate to or counter some of the things I liked. If you didn't like it that's fine. If you hated it that's fine. I just wanted to give my opinion, feel free to disagree. I think at the very least, the movie has fostered a lot of thought and conversation (I've read a lot of interesting praise and critique of it). And that's worth something.
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Eyani wrote:

I'm a pretty big fan of the Star Wars franchise/universe and I really loved The Last Jedi. There a few reasons I feel that way.

- Cinematography is really important to me and I feel like this was the best looking SW movie. Overall it's very well shot. There were some shots that were absolutely beautiful. And the shot reverse shot on the island was a really clever use of that directing technique.
- Less black and white than previous SW movies. I think it did a better job of showing the whole light/dark two side of the same coin thing than in the past. The stuff on Luke's island really showed off how someone can turn to the dark side.
- The villain. Kylo is a pretty layered villain with internal conflict. That's not too common in today's blockbuster movies or in past SW movies. It's usually just some pure evil guy bent on destruction and ruling the world/galaxy. And I personally didn't need any backstory on Snoke. He was always just s supporting character to me. Just there to reveal character growth and motivation for Kylo.
- It's the first SW movie where I wasn't sure what was gonna happen next. It kept me guessing and I still don't know where exactly they'll take it in Episode 9.
- I felt like it was about something more than just a battle of good and evil. It's about distrust between generations. How the choices of the older generation affects the younger and how the younger deals with it. Living up to expectations and finding your place in all of that. The confusion and anger that can be born out of that and how you move forward. "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

All that being said, this is not a perfect movie. There are noticeable flaws and missteps here and there. Some that directly relate to or counter some of the things I liked. If you didn't like it that's fine. If you hated it that's fine. I just wanted to give my opinion, feel free to disagree. I think at the very least, the movie has fostered a lot of thought and conversation (I've read a lot of interesting praise and critique of it). And that's worth something.


This is pretty much most of my line of thinking on the movie, but here is a little more.

-Finally, space ship battles that I enjoy again. I can't remember the last time I enjoyed space battles nearly as much as the original trilogy (and I only watched them coherently two years ago, so it isn't a nostalgia thing). There's actual established goals and consequences to what is happening, it's not just mindless action.

-It makes The Force Awakens work as a movie for me now, because The Last Jedi is an actual continuation and evolution of everything it set up. If The Force Awakens was the rebirth of the series, The Last Jedi was commenting on the idea of legendary worship of the old movies and moving forward.

I think that over time as people have had more time to think about this movie and analyze it I'm very curious whether popular opinion will shake out as, "It's great with some problems." or, "It's bad but there's great stuff in it." Personally I think it's great with problems.
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I saw it today and i liked it but didn't love it. For me it was good without being great, it didn't suck.
It has some cheesy moments and i rolled my eyes once or twice, a lot of the humour fell flat to me. I dont regret having seen it though. Not at all. It is worth seeing.
It did feel pretty long but that's probably because it is.
It was full of inconsistencies and plot holes though, this video sums it up fairly well as for those; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddt0k3yU9Q8

This video asked some good questions as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erx5fEMFMJk

But i think sometimes you just have to switch your brain off and enjoy the film. I am not a Star Wars nut so iam not super critical and my expectations are not as high as some others are.
I will also add that Rei s a fox!

I saw some people complaining about SJW type stuff in the movie and feminism and that but i didn't feel it was too thick. Of course now a days you know some of that stuff will be in there.


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I really liked it. Felt very 'Star Wars' if you know what I mean. XD

TIme to check out what Channel Awesome thinks of it....
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Posted 12/23/17
Not sure i'd call it a kids movie?
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Posted 12/23/17
I feel like it wasn't amazing but it wasn't exactly terrible either, a good 6/10 or 7/10.

The reason why I believe it isn't great is because:
1) Poes attitude at the start didn't seem to resemble himself in the previous movie, and his development just seemed like a step backwards
2) The new leader of the ship could've just told Poe what was going on instead of just making him worry
3) Too much dialogue/time in space doing nothing.
4) That new character who kissed Finn and they only knew each other for a few days does not seem like realistic character progression

The things I did enjoy:
1) Snoke's death, it was good to show how irrelevant he was and show development in Kylo Ren
2) Luke's appearance in the end pretty much using ultra instinct (or so it seemed) until it turned out he was just pretending to be there
3) Leia being able to use the force
4) Interesting fight scenes
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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17

AngryLoveBite wrote:

4) That new character who kissed Finn and they only knew each other for a few days does not seem like realistic character progression


Yeah, I actually liked Rose quite a bit. She felt like a fun and fresh part of the cast in and of herself but her and Finn had absolutely no romantic chemistry together. I saw the kiss coming a mile away but it just didn't feel natural at all.
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