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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/24/17
It's interesting because the film is Return of the Jedi. Overall, I wasn't happy with it. I think petitions are loony, but it's not a good Star Wars film. It is beautiful, but it is a mess of a film that refuses to build upon the entire saga. It was a film constructed to deliberately subvert expectations rather than tell a coherent story. Star Wars is objective myth. That core has been lost.

The film was also far too modern, I know Star Wars has used "damn" and "hell" in the past, but the inclusion of bastard and ass felt wholly unnecessary. I mean, I took my daughter, and we love Star Wars, but my daughter is against "naughty" words, and I'm disappointed this is where Lucasfilm felt it was necessary to transition. For me, using "Godspeed" seemed to completely misunderstand what Lucas had built.

Ultimately, it was a forgettable blockbuster. But that seems to be all Hollywood wants to make anyway.
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/24/17
Of course Hitler responds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01VyZ6XWwY8 lol

I think this is how a lot of people felt. Conflicted. Liked it and didn't at the same time. Although many seemed to have either loved it or hated it.

If you look on you tube as well Mark Hamill doesn't love the film or what they did with Luke either. But again, it was still an entertaining movie.

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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/24/17
IMO best movie in the series so far.
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/24/17

AngryLoveBite wrote:

I feel like it wasn't amazing but it wasn't exactly terrible either, a good 6/10 or 7/10.

The reason why I believe it isn't great is because:
1) Poes attitude at the start didn't seem to resemble himself in the previous movie, and his development just seemed like a step backwards
2) The new leader of the ship could've just told Poe what was going on instead of just making him worry
3) Too much dialogue/time in space doing nothing.
4) That new character who kissed Finn and they only knew each other for a few days does not seem like realistic character progression

The things I did enjoy:
1) Snoke's death, it was good to show how irrelevant he was and show development in Kylo Ren
2) Luke's appearance in the end pretty much using ultra instinct (or so it seemed) until it turned out he was just pretending to be there
3) Leia being able to use the force
4) Interesting fight scenes





It did feel realistic only because she seems to have the personality of a girl who would do that irl.
HE is a hero to her and she wants to be all over him from what i saw.

That and rarely but it does happen in real life some people can fall for each other in a day or more so imo it felt realistic just really cringy / awkward.
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/24/17
One of the funniest things I found is that the plot of Jedi barely follows the plot of Force Awakens at all. I mean come on, if Luke wanted to go to a distant planet and hide away from everyone, why would he leave a map detailing exactly where to find him. Why would Luke, who is known not only as a hero, but a redeemer, a redeemer who ignored the resistances orders, his sister's orders, and everyone else who told him that there was no hope left, that Vader was completely turned and there was no going back, who he wound up turning back to the light because of the smallest tiniest shred of good that Luke found in him, why would he all of a sudden say that Kylo, HIS NEPHEW, is screwed and decided to kill him outright without even consulting those such as Han and Leia, force Yoda, force Obi-wan, or even the feelings inside his own heart? Momentary lapse in judgement or not. Luke wouldn't have acted like that. So many things that didn't make much sense.

The numerous times that Ben said "What's old must stay dead" was just the directors way of telling the hard core fans of the old series to "Get over it, we're doing what we want now and it doesn't matter to us if it doesn't fit in with the story.
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/24/17

AedonBlackheart wrote:

One of the funniest things I found is that the plot of Jedi barely follows the plot of Force Awakens at all. I mean come on, if Luke wanted to go to a distant planet and hide away from everyone, why would he leave a map detailing exactly where to find him. Why would Luke, who is known not only as a hero, but a redeemer, a redeemer who ignored the resistances orders, his sister's orders, and everyone else who told him that there was no hope left, that Vader was completely turned and there was no going back, who he wound up turning back to the light because of the smallest tiniest shred of good that Luke found in him, why would he all of a sudden say that Kylo, HIS NEPHEW, is screwed and decided to kill him outright without even consulting those such as Han and Leia, force Yoda, force Obi-wan, or even the feelings inside his own heart? Momentary lapse in judgement or not. Luke wouldn't have acted like that. So many things that didn't make much sense.

The numerous times that Ben said "What's old must stay dead" was just the directors way of telling the hard core fans of the old series to "Get over it, we're doing what we want now and it doesn't matter to us if it doesn't fit in with the story.


Yeah seriously.

Love him or hate him, George Lucas is a world builder and he told a coherent story where his characters had actual arcs. Was Lucas a good director? Hell fucking no. But his over-all narrative for the writing was at least consistent. I can not say the same thing for what Rian Johnson has done being handed the reins.

All this movie ultimately accomplished was to take a sledgehammer to old canon and characters (even stuff that was literally only 2 years old). While giving us a super basic sci fi plot that was done WAY better by Battlestar Galactica. Seriously, the first couple episodes of Battlestar Galactica make The Last Jedi look like shitty fan fiction by comparison.
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/24/17
I found the movie quite cringeworthy with the blatant Disneyfying parts which I will not go over...they should be obvious if you're over the age of 12, in which case, I won't ruin it for you.

While I didn't hate the movie leaving the theater, I found myself disgusted concerning the Luke/Snoke/Phasma treatment as many others did. I also watched other reviews and am in agreement right about it being a bad movie. It was sort of fun...but it really wasn't a Star Wars movie...it was a Star Wars skin on Rian Johnson's powertrip to kill off what everyone loved about the Jedi and Luke Skywalker.

Also, Rian Johnson completely disregarded sci-fi space physics in this film (the bombs, the tracking through light speed, the lightspeed jump, the no-airlock for the crew/Leia rescue) and made Leia pretty much an indestructible force user who...well who cares she's the hope Macguffin device.
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/25/17
I thought I was crazy. I came out of this movie wanting to desperately love it, but it was simply empty. Even the odd focus on kids playing with toys immediately after the event, I don't know if it was an obsession with merchandising to manipulate the audience, or Disney and Lucasfilm trying to appease the child demographic, but it was all over the place. It was so superficial that the film overall lacked any real substance.

I mean, no one even said "I have a bad feeling about this"!
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/25/17
I also disliked that they built up Snoke so much and surrounded him with mystery only to tell us that he didn't matter at all. I don't mind that he died. For all intents and purpose they should have made Kylo Ren the new leader, but they should NOT have done so without telling us who Snoke is. Otherwise why purposely build the hype for him in the first movie.

Now they are building Kylo Ren up to be some poor misunderstood angsty teen instead of the next Vader that he should have been. I read somewhere that there was an interview with Rian Johnson where he said he was already writing out the plot for Jedi before even viewing the final cut of The Force Awakens.

The man didn't even give the time to read the source material for a sequel he was writing.

Look I understand Disney wants to push an audience of newer viewers because that's where the money is. Not the movies but the merchandise that sells because of the movies, but really now, who is more likely to buy all the star wars toys? The kids or the die hard fans?

Rey is also being made out to be a Mary Sue, but that is something I will go into in another post. For now I will just simmer down and take my licks.
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Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/27/17
And I can tell you, kids are not buying those toys anymore. Why they're so desperately trying to push this new cast while completely abandoning the legacy is beyond me. I mean, even the droids and the classic aliens. So much is missing it's almost like Disney wants to remove the Lucas era from existence.

I appreciate the new cast, I love most of them, but The Last Jedi found so little reason to use Finn, but then give us Rose too. And Holdo was pointless, why couldn't Leia serve the story more prominently?

Even Hux is being treated like Starscream now.

Ultimately, the core conflict between Ben Solo and Rey feels absolutely trite at this point; she has beaten him multiple times, proving superior in the Force. This is why I was apprehensive about another Skywalker falling to the dark side; it has nowhere interesting to go.
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/27/17
I also completely missed the kid in the very end who used the force to call the broom to him. So now ANYONE can use the force without any training or previous knowledge.
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/27/17
I'm not trying to be inflammatory. So, to anyone that liked the film: I'm honestly glad you were able to enjoy it and can respect that you did (even if not understand why).

I feel somewhat ambivalent about Force Awakens (as I didn't particularly love or hate it), so my expectations going into The Last Jedi weren't very high, but I'm genuinely stunned by how awful it was. A flimsy plot that was full of holes, bad (perhaps even downright disrespectful) characterizations, and an overabundance of often ill-placed attempts at slapstick humor.

Even days later I'm still struggling to digest it, but it seems that The Last Jedi may have dethroned Phantom Menace as my, "Worst film in the franchise." A remarkable achievement for a film that doesn't contain Jar Jar Binks.

I actually feel a bit bad for J.J. Abrams, as not only did The Last Jedi outright mock, destroy, and toss out large chunks of Episode VII (not to mention the original franchise), but now he has to figure out how to recover from it with Episode IX.
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/27/17
I enjoyed it, but I didn't get the same sense of satisfaction I got from TFA.
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/27/17
I enjoyed the movie but I still think TFA was a much better movie imo. There was much more comedy in TLJ and it kinda ruined some characters such as Hux like in the beggining where he's being slammed to the ground by Snoke. Was there any need for that, I didn't think so.
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/27/17
After watching Star Wars: The Last Jedi twice over the weekend, this is what I like/dislike about the film and it is:

Like & love:
I liked that they shit all over the fan theories and just made Rey a nobody in terms of genealogy. Didn't really see it coming, and I like unpredictability. The whole Jedi lineage needs to die off and this was a good start.

They're going back to prequel logic saying Rey has a high midichlorian count out of nowhere like Anakin. Also liked that, because it explains why she's a Mary Sue instead of just linking her to Skywalker lineage which was the boring thing, I was expecting them to do.

I liked that Luke started questioning the Jedi Order, saying their thinking was flawed and for the most parts, he was right about the Jedi Order and so was Kylo Ren when he mentions the Sith Order as well.

I liked that Snoke died early, because it came out of nowhere and I wasn't expecting it. It felt good in a way because this shuts down all the theories of Snoke and it was a new twist to killing off the most powerful being in SW with just one sweep of a Lightsaber.

I thought Luke dying from Force exertion was interesting. We all know he was gonna die but I think he should have died in battle but other then that, using Force Illusion was well done.

What I didn't like:
Kylo did not really assert himself as a villain, and he's still too soft. Even that commander dude doesn't take him that seriously. I would have liked if he actually did embrace the dark side completely, kill off Snoke, and become the new Supreme Leader. Because he's still flawed and a softie, I'm not really looking forward to him as a main villain tbh. It sounds like its going to be a lot of forced drama.

Leia coming back to life in space. The whole scene felt contrived and ridiculous. Felt like they should have just re-shot this considering the circumstances behind the actress. (R.I.P Carrie Fisher)

Rose character, and the entire Casino arc. Lots of padded filler. I felt like they didn't really have a role to give Finn in this movie, so they had to come up with some things that he needed to do in garbage time which was just an excuse to lengthen the time of the films hour. Wish that planet took place in Nar Shaddaa

Didn't really explain why the Star Destroyer Dreadnought fleet couldn't just blow up the transport, instead of just going through a slow chase sequence lasting 24 hours. Even if they had shields to protect against lasers, the First Order could have sent out the fighters.

Luke not actually training Rey at all on screen. Only giving her very broad and brief lessons. They could have expanded this a bit more like with Yoda & Luke in Empire strikes back.

Final thought: I liked the movie and thought it was better than The Force Awakens to a degree. I give it a 7/10.
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