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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/30/17
Have very mixed feelings about the film. Felt that the first half just dragged and was overly uninteresting. I was definitely more engaged with second half. Finally, two main questions popped into my mind.

Kylo went on about letting go of the past, and establish a new order. Yet, isn't he just continuing Darth Vader's legacy (dethroning the master "Sith Lord" and taking the throne for yourself)? Furthermore, I doubt he would consider Rey as an equal, but rather as an apprentice; then the cycles of conflict would just continue. If he did throw away his attachment to Vader, what's he trying to accomplish with the First Order? Why reason does he have now to care about intergalactic government? What is his motivations? He killed his dad, and his mentors (Luke/Snoke) are both dead. His only remaining attachment to the past is his mother. After (if/when) Leia dies, is the Rey the only thing that will drive him (drive him to what?)?

Speaking of cycles of conflict, I wonder how the next movie will resolve this trilogy. Reflecting on the Jedi from the prequel movies, I thought Luke deviated from the regular Jedi conduct (with his strong attachments to others). But in quick time, Luke's Jedi Order collapsed similarly to older Jedi orders (in that a promising young member becomes tempted to join the Dark Side). I'm curious what could Rey, who seems bent on the Jedi path, and Kylo do to break that cycle of conflict. Or they'll patch things up without changing much, and we'll have a new set of trilogy in 10 or so years, featuring a disillusioned Rey and so forth...

On a side note, seeing Leia fly made me wonder why Palpatine didn't fly/propel himself when Vader tossed him over the rails. Also wonder why Leia didn't try to force push the rocks (compared to the space feat, it seems simpler), rather than Rey doing it.
Posted 12/31/17 , edited 1/1/18
Seen this last night. I'm actually happy with the way things have ended.
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Posted 12/31/17 , edited 12/31/17

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Have very mixed feelings about the film. Felt that the first half just dragged and was overly uninteresting. I was definitely more engaged with second half. Finally, two main questions popped into my mind.

Kylo went on about letting go of the past, and establish a new order. Yet, isn't he just continuing Darth Vader's legacy (dethroning the master "Sith Lord" and taking the throne for yourself)? Furthermore, I doubt he would consider Rey as an equal, but rather as an apprentice; then the cycles of conflict would just continue. If he did throw away his attachment to Vader, what's he trying to accomplish with the First Order? Why reason does he have now to care about intergalactic government? What is his motivations? He killed his dad, and his mentors (Luke/Snoke) are both dead. His only remaining attachment to the past is his mother. After (if/when) Leia dies, is the Rey the only thing that will drive him (drive him to what?)?


I think at the end, Kylo is still a child. His goal isn't maintenance of some grand order, but instead to assert his own position on the world. To disown subservience. He doesn't care what banner he rules under, he just seeks the power. I think Luke dying is quite interesting, because Luke was largely an outlet for that insecurity. Because Luke died after essentially beating Kylo, Kylo has lost the rest of his main outlets (except for perhaps his mother, but it doesn't seem like she is an avenue for his hate) but still holds that anger.

Overall, it is that conflict which will define the next movie: Kylo's internal conflict with his own insecurity. Losing those who previously made him feel insecure (Luke, Han and Snoke) could leave Kylo feeling his actions are meaningless which could cause him to seek positive reinforcement (within Rey) instead of those negative avenues (within Luke, Han and Snoke).

These past two movies have been about taking away his meaning, the last movie will focus on him finding new meaning.

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Posted 12/31/17 , edited 1/2/18
I liked the movie while I was processing it during and immediately afterwards but the more I thought about it, and after a second viewing, I realized that I absolutely hate this film. Hates a strong word though. Maybe strongly dislike is better.

...I think because the film turns the franchise into a joke. It felt as though there was comic relief every couple of minutes or so, sometimes less. And the comedic elements were very Marvel like in their jarring nature. Frankly, if comedic relief pulls you out of world building, it's failed writing. The film seems to relish in this.

The Finn gambling story arc felt forced and didn't make a whole lot of sense. The film is filled with plot holes and instead of taking a sci fi setting and pushing the boundaries and creating new narrative it stays predictable.

Ray is a Mary Sue and seems to be completely uninhibited by the universes constraints. She learns tasks that took Anikans offspring time to learn from arguably the best teacher in the entire universe. Then they say, well it's cause the force created a rival in the dark side. I'm all for a yin and yang but that just doesn't make any sense in the lore. Hell, the force doesn't just make you master a saber instantly. If guppies simply become masters the entire reason for having anything prior means nothing.

The film treats Star Wars like it's a cartoon filled with simple and cheap payoff. It tried to turn a beloved franchise into something that has no framework for suspension of disbelief. Humans floating through space and surviving. Characters saving animals and leaving slave children there and thus negating the sympathetic meaning we are supposed to derive from the scene. Strange plot sequences that are surrealist and don't drive the story towards being more impactful.

And luke, don't get me started there. The hero of the galaxy that left a map so that he could be found suddenly claiming that he didn't want to be found and showing absolutely no strength from the person he became after the end of the original trilogy.

This is a star wars film written by someone who isn't investing in what star wars is. If not for the gorgeous sequences and and select moments that left me in awe it would be despicable.
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mxdan wrote:

I liked the movie while I was processing it during and immediately afterwards but the more I thought about it, and after a second viewing, I realized that I absolutely hate this film. Hates a strong word though. Maybe strongly dislike is better.

...I think because the film turns the franchise into a joke. It felt as though there was comic relief every couple of minutes or so, sometimes less. And the comedic elements were very Marvel like in their jarring nature. Frankly, if comedic relief pulls you out of world building, it's failed writing. The film seems to relish in this.

The Finn gambling story arc felt forced and didn't make a whole lot of sense. The film is filled with plot holes and instead of taking a sci fi setting and pushing the boundaries and creating new narrative it stays predictable.

Ray is a Mary Sue and seems to be completely uninhibited by the universes constraints. She learns tasks that took Anikans offspring time to learn from arguably the best teacher in the entire universe. Then they say, well it's cause the force created a rival in the dark side. I'm all for a yin and yang but that just doesn't make any sense in the lore. Hell, the force doesn't just make you master a saber instantly. If guppies simply become masters the entire reason for having anything prior means nothing.

The film treats Star Wars like it's a cartoon filled with simple and cheap payoff. It tried to turn a beloved franchise into something that has no framework for suspension of disbelief. Humans floating through space and surviving. Characters saving animals and leaving slave children there and thus negating the sympathetic meaning we are supposed to derive from the scene. Strange plot sequences that are surrealist and don't drive the story towards being more impactful.

And luke, don't get me started there. The hero of the galaxy that left a map so that he could be found suddenly claiming that he didn't want to be found and showing absolutely no strength from the person he became after the end of the original trilogy.

This is a star wars film written by someone who isn't investing in what star wars is. If not for the gorgeous sequences and and select moments that left me in awe it would be despicable.


sums up my thoughts pretty nicely. at first after it ended, i felt 'weird' about it but i also liked it. like you said, the more i thought about it, the more i hated it. luke skywalker develops into a strong character throughout three movies seeing plenty death and tragedy, even learning that his father is a genocidal maniac responsible for all of it. and yet, he didn't give up and hid away. he faced the strongest forces in the galaxy and won. this film is telling me that all it took was one spoiled brat to change luke skywalker into a mountain hermit who wanted to stay away from everyone? poor mark hamill. i read a trivia fact that he didn't even agree the way his character was handled. also, the casino scene shouldn't have even been possible. i understand why it happened and it is a good story arc i guess. but why would the new order even let that ship leave the rebel ship and go to that planet? the movie made a joke out of its' own supposed perilous set ups by allowing fin and the other character go back and forth whenever they wanted from the supposed 'stalemate' going on.
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Posted 1/4/18 , edited 1/4/18
I loved the movie.

I understand the parts that people complain about, and I can see why a lot of fans didn't like it. However, those negatives weren't negatives for me at all. I really can't think of anything I had a problem with in the show, and Rey is my all-time favorite Star Wars character. In fact, the only thing close to a problem for me would be that Rey doesn't have more scenes.
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Posted 1/21/18 , edited 1/22/18
I don't think there are any bad Star Wars movies really, even my lowest rated one Attack of the Clones I gave a 6, but The Last Jedi wasn't much better and goes down as the second worst one in the series as a 6.5 imo.
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Posted 2/11/18 , edited 2/12/18
I really did not like this movie.

I was totally fine with just having the original trilogy and the prequels but then Abrams came along and come up with another storyline.
Granted, he did a good job, but then after all of the fan theories, I think the director just threw them all in a box and was like: lets do this. Even if it wasn't the best choice.
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Posted 2/17/18 , edited 2/17/18
I kind of wish that Rey and Kylo legitimately teamed up like Anakin did with Palpatine.
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In my opinion rogue one has been the best film thus far and that's not saying much... But at least it made sense and was an honest film.

I know this is kind of a bump out of the blue but I still get bothered by this film to be honest with you. I see there being very clear notions of agenda pushing and ideology setting that are rampant throughout its screening and also throughout Solo. As a result, Solo is losing a bunch of money in the box office. Honestly, they shot themselves in the foot. Instead of hiring skilled scifi screen writers for these films (Which as a genre is a notoriously hard thing to write) they treated the source like it was something that could be marginalized and still make money. Well here we are... We've learned that star wars fans are self aware and people don't like having socio-political fodder shoved in their mouths for no reason.

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