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Posted 12/31/17 , edited 12/31/17

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Under no circumstances should Ancient Magus Bride win but it will. It's gotten to basically a hive mentality with popular anime, people just assume something is good if it's popular, and then watch it because others are, further fueling its undeserved popularity. So in the case of AMB, you get a mediocre anime being considered some masterpiece which it's NOT, just because of a snowball effect driven by hype.


Ancient Magus bride might win something, but I'm betting on majority of awards going to MHA season 2. While Bride is popular right now, the popularity for MHA sky rocketed thanks to this season's success, and for very good reason. I was only mildly interested in the show after season 1, and now it's one of my favorite series.
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Basically, it has come down to being a popularity contest, and of course it only consists of shows that are on Crunchyroll, while ignoring shows on other places like Made in Abyss. Not to say that Ancient Magus' Bride is not deserving, but I would like the awards to be spread around.
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Basically, it has come down to being a popularity contest, and of course it only consists of shows that are on Crunchyroll, while ignoring shows on other places like Made in Abyss. Not to say that Ancient Magus' Bride is not deserving, but I would like the awards to be spread around.


The problem of not having judges to balance out the popular vote. They need to find a solid balance.
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and of course it only consists of shows that are on Crunchyroll, while ignoring shows on other places like Made in Abyss.


The first section in the FAQ says


WHAT ARE THE ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS FOR AN ANIME TO BE NOMINATED?
In order for an anime to be eligible, it had to meet the following criteria:

Legal and commercial release in the U.S. on linear television, in-theater, or on a SVOD/AVOD/TVOD service, such as Crunchyroll, Funimation, Netflix, Amazon, or Hulu
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Even if one doesn't believe they'll include it still we can see Best CGI is a category. There will be 6 nominations in each category. Unless they mean CGI in anime I'm pretty sure Crunchyroll does not have 6 CGI anime and will have to include things such as Land of the Lustrous and Blame.

I also can't think of 6 dramas CR has unless they really want to stretch the meaning, same with films.
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What needs to be done is... They need to pull studios for judges and hand out awards based on the judges and then do a peoples choice award A.K.A the popular vote
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After the complete and utter disgrace that was Kayo's first home cooked meal losing to a possible gay kiss that had to be "confirmed" on twitter in the Heartwarming category, not to mention a poorly, borderline hilarious, animated anime winning best animation it doesn't really matter what tumblr's 2017..... err, crunchy rolls 2017 anime awards hand out this time around.


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Posted 12/31/17 , edited 12/31/17

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It's just gonna be popular vote that wins, it would be better to bring in a jury of experts as they might be able to highlight something the community has missed


We definitely do not need that. It's just going to be like the poorly written bullshit on ANN, with their "big me, little you" snobbery and bullshit feminism.
No so-called "expert" does anything different than you or me than watch anime. So you're just as much as an expert as I, and as 'they' are. Tired of self-styled experts deciding what's good and not. They can stuff it, frankly.


Yes we do! We have clearly witnessed how bad things went last year with the anime awards, we also have many other popularity polls over the years that proven popular vote doesn't achieve anything more then highlight what's popular at the time.

The anime industry is one of the few still growing mediums which you can see by big corporations like sony netflix and amazon showing interest in it. The growth of the industry is great but it also means that there's more and more anime being produced, which also means more and more shows get overlooked by the vast majority who may just be casual fans that follows what everyone talks about. Becuase let's be real here, most people aren't hardcore fans who watch EVERYTHING that comes out, unless it's their job to critic anime.

Wouldn't you like to see a underdog win that innovates and pushes the medium forward in things like storytelling, pacing, directing and etc over generic anime 2000 that just so happens to be popular at the time. Don't get me wrong, there can be entertainment to be found in popular anime, but we should highlight the best of the best and not just the popular few titles.

And by experts I don't mean self-important elitists like ThatAnimeSnob or some random douche on ANN, I mean business insiders, business veterans, directors, producers, licensers and etc who work in the industry and who understand the ins and outs of the industry.

How did you connect that to feminism? Nowhere did I even mention feminism or imply such a thing...
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KingKaio wrote:

No so-called "expert" does anything different than you or me than watch anime. So you're just as much as an expert as I, and as 'they' are. Tired of self-styled experts deciding what's good and not. They can stuff it, frankly.


And by experts I don't mean self-important elitists like ThatAnimeSnob or some random douche on ANN, I mean business insiders, business veterans, directors, producers, licensers and etc who work in the industry and who understand the ins and outs of the industry.


I don't think that being a business insider or producer necessarily makes you good at appraising anime. Instead, I think we do indeed need elitist snobs - except there's nothing snobbish about actually understanding literary criticism. There exist actual experts at analyzing what art does and how it affects people. You can call such people self-styled if you like, but they're not. Of course, an actual expert isn't going to tell you you can't enjoy what you enjoy (unless you enjoy evil things), because they're well aware that taste is at least somewhat subjective; instead they'll tell you why you enjoy it in the first place. And what such experts do differently is spend way more time reading, writing, learning criticism, and watching anime than any of us. Nick Creamer is my favorite anime critic, and he'll say the same kinds of things I just did, though unlike him I believe objective standards do exist for art, as long as you're not too restrictive about them.

I don't think this is too nastily political, but I tend to agree at least generally with Tom Nichols on the death of expertise. People forget that the average political science professor knows far more political history and philosophy than the average person; imagine trying to argue with a professor about his/her field of research. The professor would wipe the floor with you. This isn't to say professors are always right - different academics disagree with each other, after all - but it does mean that they're far more likely to know and understand what they're talking about than we are. If you refuse to accept that, you're denying reality.

Then again, if you do want to get political about it, the American founders were skeptical of democracy and believed in representative government - i.e., qualified people ran for office and represented the people. Though perhaps I've said too much already.
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the awards will go to what is most popular at the current time.

Hero-aca, Magus Bride, Black Clover, Shokugeki, and I have NO IDEA what will fill in the romance and "girly" anime genres, Re-Life might snag one or two, and possibly Kino's Journey...Though I think Magus will outperform in the categories that it might fall into.

I'd have high hopes for HellGirl getting a horror award, but hell, I haven't even seen it yet and I had made sure to watch every other season...

TBH though, this season is not the same as last. Everything last year fell at the very end. Yuri on Ice swept because that was all anybody was watching at the time, and the categories weren't balanced.

There wil be a little tweaking I'm sure, and depending on that,it could be anybody's game...

I don't really like the idea of "experts" and especially not people in the field. Nobody in the anime industry cares much about what the US audience likes and I think everyone will be disappointed by a non-American (forgive me our European, Canadian, and other english speaking brethren), opinion, much less one that views it through an industry oriented viewpoint.

If you want a critics' opinion, go to youtube and find a critic's channel. They probably already have their 2017 list up.

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Pretty much my opinion...


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After the complete and utter disgrace that was Kayo's first home cooked meal losing to a possible gay kiss that had to be "confirmed" on twitter in the Heartwarming category, not to mention a poorly, borderline hilarious, animated anime winning best animation it doesn't really matter what tumblr's 2017..... err, crunchy rolls 2017 anime awards hand out this time around.




Meh... The will of the people and all...

I think there's too many people pissed off about last year, and yet people forget last year isn't this year and regardless, it's a silly popularity contest. It doesn't mean cause your anime won a truly meaningless award, that you're going to get magically more of said anime, or that somehow by being on the winning team that you have "better" taste than the rest of us...(or the reverse: cause your title lost doesn't mean the rest of the world has shit taste and can't appreciated the finer things as you do...)

Anime is shit, everyone's taste in anime is shit, including mine, but we enjoy this shit, and we want more shit, so at least there's that.
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I don't really like the idea of "experts" and especially not people in the field. Nobody in the anime industry cares much about what the US audience likes and I think everyone will be disappointed by a non-American (forgive me our European, Canadian, and other english speaking brethren), opinion, much less one that views it through an industry oriented viewpoint.

If you want a critics' opinion, go to youtube and find a critic's channel. They probably already have their 2017 list up.



As an American, I'm quite happy the anime industry doesn't care much about what Americans think. Half the reason I like anime is because it's not Western TV; its themes and sensibilities are different.

Public awards like this are primarily tools of propaganda: they serve whoever makes the most money off them. I can still go read my favorite anime critic, and I will, but awards define the community narrative and conversation. If something crappy wins, everyone has to talk and think about something crappy, and that makes it harder for the actually good stuff to get attention and spread. That crappy thing becomes the standard, whether it deserves it or not. That's why we need the critics. Because it's not true that everything is shit - that's false and defeatist. The good critics don't just talk about anime; as a wise barbate fellow once said, the point is to change it.
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I don't really like the idea of "experts" and especially not people in the field. Nobody in the anime industry cares much about what the US audience likes and I think everyone will be disappointed by a non-American (forgive me our European, Canadian, and other english speaking brethren), opinion, much less one that views it through an industry oriented viewpoint.

If you want a critics' opinion, go to youtube and find a critic's channel. They probably already have their 2017 list up.



As an American, I'm quite happy the anime industry doesn't care much about what Americans think. Half the reason I like anime is because it's not Western TV; its themes and sensibilities are different.

Public awards like this are primarily tools of propaganda: they serve whoever makes the most money off them. I can still go read my favorite anime critic, and I will, but awards define the community narrative and conversation. If something crappy wins, everyone has to talk and think about something crappy, and that makes it harder for the actually good stuff to get attention and spread. That crappy thing becomes the standard, whether it deserves it or not. That's why we need the critics. Because it's not true that everything is shit - that's false and defeatist. The good critics don't just talk about anime; as a wise barbate fellow once said, the point is to change it.


My comment about things being shit isn't supposed to be taken as a negative. it's more self depreciating and understanding that we all are here for what is basically "chinese cartoons". We like what we like, most of the time, it's considered crap by those outside of the community, and within the community we frequently crap on each other's choices, and, all in all, this fandom is more in line with guilty pleasures rather than high art. It's a reminder that in the end, it's all for fun and if you enjoy it, that's all that matters.

Awards like these aren't anything that's going to be remembered. Do you remember the films that won the MTV awards 2-3 years ago?

How about the oscar award winning films from 2010?

Remember, this set of awards is less important than even the crappy MTV awards.

The best of what anime has to offer will be remembered by the fans, and will live on in the "you can't consider yourself an anime fan unless you watch THESE titles" lists our community has orally passed down for years.

If you want to talk about the history and narrative, your efforts should be spent on making sure there's someone who remembers the notable titles and passes those lists along, or fight to maintain availabilty of those titles and their licensing.

But the awards? they'll be forgotten in a few year's time. I mean other than the Yuri On Ice upset, does anyone remember any of the other titles that won?
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I mean I'm trying to think of it now, and I'm sure Erased got something, but hell if I know what..
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That wasn't the will of the people, that was the result of a disturbing SJW fueled agenda and bots spamming a broken system.

Obligatory "Anime is trash and so am I" reference.





Bold - Thank you, the amount of people who don't understand this irritates me.

Actually your entire post is pretty much spot the fuck on. Though I would add that critics, even the ones I enjoy do have a biased agenda to some degree (for whatever reason), it's human nature and is pretty damn difficult to avoid. We need critics and shitposters alike.
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That wasn't the will of the people, that was the result of a disturbing SJW fueled agenda and bots spamming a broken system.

Obligatory "Anime is trash and so am I" reference.




Bold - Thank you, the amount of people who don't understand this irritates me.

Actually your entire post is pretty much spot the fuck on. Though I would add that critics, even the ones I enjoy do have a biased agenda to some degree (for whatever reason), it's human nature and is pretty damn difficult to avoid. We need critics and shitposters alike.


First of all, you guys ARE awarre that there's probably a japanese equivalent to these awards if you want to know what they think.

And second, you miss the point. They don't care. So you're not going to get the "experts" you want. And when they choose something the public doesn't like, it's going to go to shit.

As for the "SJW CONSPIRACY!!!", take off your tinfoil hat and realize that it was a vote by tally. You underestimate the power of yaoi loving fangirls.

As a long time anime watcher, holy shit, they are legion.

Gravitation, vampire knight, etc.. Lived through them all.

Ever seen a fanfic site? It's about a 50/50 split between teenage boys poorly attempting to write their power fantasy or (even more terribly written) softcore porn.

the other half is yaoi.
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