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Posted 12/21/17 , edited 12/21/17
I'd recommend the “Houro Musuko” manga. Its set over a munch longer time period than the anime and does a much better job IIRC. The anime ends before the characters actually come to decision on how they want to view themselves and each-other, and when they are still changing pretty significantly through puberty. The manga gives a much deeper and more complete view of their lives.

Specifically the anime covers chapters 34-82 of 123: if the anime left you wanting more, there is more in the manga.

I think I'm going to have to reread “Houro Musuko”, since I don't remember exactly how it all went, just that I liked it.

One the topic of trans characters in manga, "Honey & Honey" which is well written and autobiographical, so its quite realistic and has some trans side characters (friends of the main characters). Its pretty informative on the topic which isn't surprising as I think helping people understand gender and sexual minorities was one of the main goals of the author in telling her story as a manga. Its also a fun read and I highly recommend it.

On the anime side of things, there is Hana from Tokyo Godfathers (which is a fantastically fun film). While she is commonly associated with drag and gay men throughout the movie, she appears to be a trans woman instead. Her status ins't a focus on the movie, but it show an interesting perspective on how trans people can be treated kindly but misunderstood.
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So, I'm a trans guy, and I agree with most of your sediments, and I'm excited to see the progress in animes. But! As a friendly reminder, the term 'transgendered' is not completely accurate and transgender can be used instead. The same for 'transgenders' and 'transgenderism', they're not very well looked upon terms, and can be replaced with trans(gender) individual or trans person. (Transgenderism is just overall an incorrect term.) That's really all I have to say in this discussion!
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Wow so many Excellent and interesting comments. It's going to take me awhile to reply to you all. Have patience.
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As someone who is struggling with that myself, Im gonna give this series a watch. Would say Im definatly transgender on the inside but i dont think i want to commit physical change just yet. especially needing to do hours and hours and hours of research first.

This is what i like about Japan. they are not afraid to talk about the weird things, or explore what we Americans never talk about (here in America I will be hung basically talking about this in public. Which is dumb and why im only saying this on the internet cause they dont know my identity)

Great article man!! thanks for the talk!! People need to talk about this more and i bet some of you know people like this in real life. Hell i just discovered this about myself (and im in my mid twenties realizing i have been thinking about this my whole life.... since 12 years old in fact, just now barely starting to embrace it)
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2nd Best Waifu of Fate series. Ok, he's not trans...I do wish Gays and Trans were less played as punchlines and jokes in Japanese media. That's my 2 cents.


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Okay I have a lot of comment to which I want to reply. I may speak on your whole post but will probably truncate the actual quote.

Going in order of publication...


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

For more adult oriented cartoons in the West, the need to be subtle is gone.
Concerning this angle, it seems as if Japan is far less accepting.

May I also recommend, in the vein of Christmas, Satoshi Kon's Tokyo Godfathers? .


I confess the contents of crunchy-roll and other anime represent the vast VAST majority of my video consumption. I'm barely aware of western media except for blockbuster movies of which I probably watch three a year. So my comparison of western media is probably about 20 years out of date. I don't know how the west does it better or even if it does. My own perception is that Japan accepts trans-folk in a niche and as a stereotype but not outside it sort of deviant novelty. On the other hand I can't imagine the west producing a show like Houro Musuko. The religious right would be frothing at the mouth and biting the carpet.


StriderShinryu wrote:

Cross dressing characters definitely do get more screen time in Japanese media than in the west, but I can't say they really get better treatment overall. (...) taken on average, I'm not really a fan.


Yet on the other hand at least they are not invisible and never to be talked about. I'm not sure if there is an equivalent in the west of an Aoi Futaba or Houro Musuko.


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Japan joined the progressive era of moderation (...) this is also a country who accepts incest and marrying of objects.
Japanese cartoons are filled with countless cases of cross dressing, homosexuality and the pros and cons of it.


Indeed. some protrayals are very con. And there is the fact that Japan appears to accept a number of other things the west considers unacceptably deviant.


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Souta from Magical Girl Raising Project was my favorite of the whole cast. XD

Course I don't think of him as an actual transgender character; I don't think he's like Ruka from Steins;Gate....(I didn't mind Ruka that much)


I think you are right. I don't consider Ranma ½ to be trans. Except maybe when he's a in a female body. For me to have an opinion about this Souta I'd have to see how s/he feels about being a boy or a girl. I forgot to mention Ruka. Another reasonably gently treated transperson. At least in what I saw (I didn't finish Stein's gate) I hope she got to keep her time travel generated sex reassignment.

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StriderShinryu wrote:
I can't say they really get better treatment overall. Far too often they're treated as jokes, cliches, punchlines, etc.


Disagree.
LOTS of crossdressing characters and many of them have great qualities.


Hmmm... I'm a little ambivalent on this subject myself. However, one caveat. I'm not really concerned with cross-dressing or magical sex changes or bio-engineered gender swapping abilities. I'm looking for the treatment specifically of Trans-folk.


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"IS: Otoko Demo Onna Demo Nai Sei"(...)
there are not very many trans and inter-sexed characters in anime from what i have seen


I'll look for it. though I don't read a lot of managa. Mmmmmm... maybe not many. but significantly more than zero, which is what I've come to expect from the west. Or portrayed as serious deviants like the killer from "Silence of the Lambs"


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Aoi Futaba is probably one of the best treated adult transgender characters in anime in my opinion.


Aoi is my Heroine!


Hakuotter wrote:

In Punch Line, the main character is a dude(...) it's revealed that this guy isn't biologically male. (...) Does Yuta qualify as a trans character? .


Yuta's situation very much describes the internal life of a transman. (And trans-women for that matter if we swap genders). So yes, though it was done by magic/weird science. that than just being born with the right type of brain. I'd say the character is a trans-man. Something interesting to note about real life society, in the west, is that Trans-men tend to pass under the radar. All the attention (and HATE) seems to be directed at Transwomen.


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I warned all, at the beginning of the thread that I would not dignify hatefull posts with any response other than reporting them The user in question is known to me from other threads were the subject of Trans has come up. I wasn't surprised by his appearance or the content of his post. Thank you for removing him from the discussion.


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I just realized that OP spelled "bois"


yes. T-boi. Spelled with an i, is a designation adopted by many young transmen.


Skalda wrote:

Fruits Basket almost made a trans character of Akito Sohma,.

Recent anime like Yuri on Ice have made me hopeful that respectful portrayals of sexuality actually -can- be popular and widely accepted, so I have to believe the same for gender identity as well, and I think we'll be seeing more examples of both as time goes on. Good thread! :3


Thanks. I have hope too. I haven't read/watched fruits basket though so I'll have to take your word for the character. curious to know more.


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2nd Best Waifu of Fate series. Ok, he's not trans...I do wish Gays and Trans were less played as punchlines and jokes in Japanese media. That's my 2 cents.


Who is this? What anime?


Voidful wrote:

I'd recommend the “Houro Musuko” manga. The manga gives a much deeper and more complete view of their lives.

"Honey & Honey" which is well written and autobiographical, so its quite realistic and has some trans side characters. I think helping people understand gender and sexual minorities was one of the main goals of the author in telling her story as a manga.

On the anime side of things, there is Hana from Tokyo Godfathers


I'll keep the mangas in mind, although I'm not much of a manga reader. Definitely seems now with two reccomendations that Tokyo Godfathers is on my "to watch" list


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As a friendly reminder,


Duly noted. And my original post has been edited. I personally like the term Trans-folk.


Ninja_Pro92 wrote:

here in America I will be hung basically talking about this in public.

im in my mid twenties realizing i have been thinking about this my whole life.... since 12 years old in fact, just now barely starting to embrace it)


I'm lucky in Canada and in the current time. When I was twenty I would have felt the same about coming out. It took me until well over 40 to accept that I was trans. I live today, however, in the home of the largest PRIDE celebration in north america. I really feel safe in who I am.

Do all the research you need. explore how art makes you feel. Think about it a lot. We all have our own journeys.


As a final note there is a group on CR called “Trans on CR” it's not very active at all. But it does exist.




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AS for them in Anime, I don't mind. But for cryin' out loud. Can you not make them look like a guy if its a transgirl? Like seriously. For example, Hideri Kanzaki from Blend S. He looks, sounds, and acts like a girl. But is a guy. Do something like that. So it isn't as weird to call them a waifu if you are perfectly straight. Because I personally think that He's adorable. Similarly with Totsuka from My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, As I Expected
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What has the above to do with the treatment of trans-folk in anime?
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Y'all need to stay the HELL away from my Waifu/Husbando Astolfo. He's MINE MINE MINE MINE! :< *Flails mop around like a crazy person* BACK I SAY, BACK!
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Posted 12/22/17 , edited 12/23/17
Heh, a discussion like this is pretty much the height of bored bourgeois clownery.

How does the art of the West compare to the East in terms of how it portrays transgender characters?

Hmm. Deep stuff.


I think anime does a good job of not taking transgenders seriously. By portraying them as harmless joke characters, I think people in the real world are much more comfortable with them.
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Crossdressing is much more honest.

Frankly this isn't even worth caring about, given how prone Anime as an industry is to creating idol figures for fetishization's sake; cardboard cutouts whose only purpose is to fetishize a demographic to garner interest, free marketing and ultimately, profit. As it is now, they've done little but damage reputation for a minority following, within a minority following a niche medium by consistently failing to recognize and highlight the boundary between fantasy and reality.

Irregardless of my opinion, we should not be concerned with representation for representation's sake, but rather with how good the characters themselves are. Is there any nuance or higher dimension to the character, executed in a way that effectively highlights the borderline between fantasy and reality for the viewer, without it having been explicitly detailed to the viewer?

Characters are nothing more than visualized ideas (or ideals), and effective ones stay in your head. Ideals that are in supportance of personal biases are equally as effective for the wrong reasons, and are therefore incapable of separating fantasy from reality. 'Realistic' depiction of circumstance isn't necessarily baseline in order to push a palpable character across, and the quantity of these types of characters is not and should not be made imperative; human nature dictates that value diminishes per increase in saturation. That much is especially absolute in a medium that already struggles to create truly unique characters in a sea of 'uniqueness'.

Quality over quantity, and I've yet to see any real quality, so I don't care. Given the 'reduce, reuse, recycle' proclivity of the Japanese anime industry, I doubt there will be any true quality trans characters any time soon.
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Well there is a futaket.
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What has the above to do with the treatment of trans-folk in anime?


Thank you for your reply i quoted this cause it was shorter but good for you embracing it and feeling safe with yourself! thats amazing!! i just now realized this, but will continue to do my research on it. Cause i mean im content being a guy its just if i had the option i would so be a girl in a heartbeat you know? and ill definitely check out that group thanks for the reference!!



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Y'all need to stay the HELL away from my Waifu/Husbando Astolfo. He's MINE MINE MINE MINE! :< *Flails mop around like a crazy person* BACK I SAY, BACK!


What anime is she from?? :0 i heard fate series but not sure
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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

What has the above to do with the treatment of trans-folk in anime?


Thank you for your reply i quoted this cause it was shorter but good for you embracing it and feeling safe with yourself! thats amazing!! i just now realized this, but will continue to do my research on it. Cause i mean im content being a guy its just if i had the option i would so be a girl in a heartbeat you know? and ill definitely check out that group thanks for the reference!!



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Y'all need to stay the HELL away from my Waifu/Husbando Astolfo. He's MINE MINE MINE MINE! :< *Flails mop around like a crazy person* BACK I SAY, BACK!


What anime is she from?? :0 i heard fate series but not sure


He's from Fate Apo!

Person above me, for the love of all that is holy bandwith.........RESIZE YOUR IMAGE! D:
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