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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17

Werning wrote:


Frankly this isn't even worth caring about,


Then why did you post? And I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree about cross-dressing being 'More honest'


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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Werning wrote:


Frankly this isn't even worth caring about,


Then why did you post? And I'm afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree about cross-dressing being 'More honest'




While I would agree, he did not solely express a disinterest in the topic, but went into detail why one should not care. My pet peeve that results in the saying "If you do not care, then do not post", which arises out of expressing such a sentiment of not caring despite posting, thus filling the thread with meaningless clutter, versus explaining why it would be illogical to care in the first place. I consider the former to be spam that needs to be deleted, the latter a legitimate argument put forth.

Sorry, tangent.
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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17
I've been meaning to watch You're Under Arrest for some time now... And oh, how I would love for that to be all I will contribute to this thread.

First off, let's establish something here. There is a difference between a trap character (I understand the issue with this term, but hey...) and a trans character. At least, a great deal of the time there is. One, more often than not, identifies as male, is biologically male, is usually heterosexual, and their notable trait is that despite that all, they look female. The other is one who identifies as their non-biological gender, of which there are much less in comparison to just cross-dressing characters.

Now, I'll take the point that even saying all that, it's clear that this all likely stems from a trans issue; i.e. there probably wouldn't be this new wave of cross-dressing characters without trans people being more accepted in real life. And I'll also take the point that it mostly being played for laughs probably isn't the best situation, but at the end of the day I would say that even though it's not the ideal exposure of such people, it's not terrible exposure, and it's exposure, nonetheless. The worst thing that one could do about a group of people they're ignorant of is to just shut them away and not acknowledge them, and pretend such people don't exist. Not literally, but figuratively, of course.

I take the point that fetishising the idea of "traps" or trans characters probably isn't the best, but like Kavalion said in the last page, not taking them so overly seriously would help make people more comfortable with them, I feel. Because on the flipside, it's also not ideal to shove an ideology so forcefully down the throat of the audience that it becomes off-putting, and I think some shows do that well. Hell, I'd say that's part of the reason why Ruka from Steins;Gate is one of my favourite traps (yes, yes, I still understand the issue with the term, but honestly, it fits him so much more appropriately than most others). Ruka's situation is sometimes played for laughs, but at the same time it's also treated seriously, but not so overbearingly forced.

Like, I won't expect some random slice of life or comedy anime with a cross-dressing or trans character to be particularly deep, but I think in shows with a little more serious tones that have such characters tend to do them quite well. It's just like how a mediocre comedy harem could just throw in cardboard cutouts of character archetypes, such as a tsundere, and not add any depth to the character, whilst another harem with more serious tones could still use those archetypes, but build upon them and give them more depth. It really all depends on the kind of show you're dealing with, I feel.
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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17

Kavalion wrote:

Heh, a discussion like this is pretty much the height of bored bourgeois clownery.

How does the art of the West compare to the East in terms of how it portrays transgender characters?


you doubt the significance of art on culture? someone fell asleep during all his history classes.
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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17
There are quite a few anime where characters can be problematic at times though.

Take One Piee for example. Artistic Depiction there is lets face it, not exactly flattering. Sanji's 3year time skip is possitivily cringy.

and yet at the same time characters like Iva and Bonclay are some of my all time favorite characters in the series. Bonclay especially is one of the best people you could ever want as a friend.


Now a lot of it can be blamed on Oda's art style which is very much about exagerating the most obvious physical traits of any character. In general though I don't think his written has been particularly negative. Luffy wouldn't be alive without Bonclay's friendship, Iva is all kinds of awesome and most of the NewKama that appear, even briefly, are always written as friendly and allies to our heroes.
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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17

diabzau wrote:

Blend-S?


Maybe. She appears to be trans. But some of the things said in the show suggest that for her it's not about gender so much as... accolades. so maybe she is still a he. It depends on the character.

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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17
I'm not a fan of trap characters at all, especially when they're mostly made to not be taken seriously often times as it is anyways.
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I had actually read some of the manga of Houro Musuko,Wandering Son. Few years back I found out they made an anime and tried the first ep. I didn't find it as interesting and it seems the anime jumped to some later point in the manga.Though I still want to go back to the manga someday.
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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17

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I'm not a fan of trap characters at all, especially when they're mostly made to not be taken seriously often times as it is anyways.


I find the very concept of traps to be something of an attack against the gay or trans people. Not only are they protrayed as deviant but their purpose is to 'trap' 'good people' into being deviant.

Yuck.
Not a nice way to portray anybody.



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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/24/17

papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Have any of you seen these anime? What did you think? Do you think the Japanese as a whole treat trans-folk better or worse than the west in their art? Do you have any more examples, good or bad?

Let's have a discussion.


I've seen Wandering Son, but not the other two. I'd have to watch Wandering Son again to recollect my thoughts because it's been a very long time since I've watched it at this point, but as I vaguely recall I took it pretty much as you've described here.

Since you brought it up there's a lot packed into Ranma 1/2 concerning gender identity, roles, and so forth that could be talked about, but if you mainly want an example of a genuinely transgender character from the series I'd offer up Mint. Sure, given the nature of the story Takahashi was telling Mint assumed a female form by being exposed to magic water and was locked in that form by the powers of a magic pail, but if you treat those as substitutes for sex differentiation processes and keep in mind that Mint's gender identity remained firmly male at all times for all his life it's not that difficult to imagine him as an FTM transgender character of sorts. He's not around long, and discussions of his internal struggle with his situation never go especially deep and are always interrupted midway by either an action scene or a throwaway joke (again, just a consequence of the sort of story being told), but he's at the least another example from the mid-1990s for consideration.

If one does happen to insist that Ranma 1/2 be used as a vehicle for heavier, more in-depth discussion of the personal emotional ramifications of situations like Ranma's and Mint's, however, there is fan fiction out there like that (some of it quite good).

I'll finally quickly bring up Ukyo Kuonji as well, mainly because although she was never transgender she's still pretty useful for showcasing the difference between gender identity and gender expression. Although Ukyo "renounces her womanhood" and begins to "live as a man" her internal perception of herself as female never actually changes. Rather, she simply binds her breasts, wears men's clothing and hairstyles, and uses masculine vocabulary and speaking patterns. That is, her gender identity was consistently female throughout the series, but her gender expression moved around between masculine and feminine. And it's nice that she's there to do that, because tomboys need a place to fit into discussions of gender identity/expression/roles, too.
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I agree with a lot of the other posters here, that when you see gay/trans people in anime, they're generally a walking punchline. Of course, that may be because I generally watch shonen action anime and comedies.
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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/23/17
Gender dysphoria isn't dependent on looking like the opposite sex, but is a disorder concerning distress caused by a lack of gender-sex congruence. Mental processes, physiological neurology, and such play a role here more than merely having a feminine appearance.

Sorry if I misused terms, I am sleepy.
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Posted 12/23/17 , edited 12/24/17
Traps make anime more interesting.
Like Hideri, she's perfect *-*



*I know this is a meme, I'm not trying to offend anyone.
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/27/17
I think one character that everyone is guilty of overlooking is Kenjirou Hato from Genshiken Nidaime. Although it's hinted at in the anime that she may be trans, in the manga Hato eventually goes full time as a woman (around Chapter 95), there's abit of identity stuff including some friends having trouble accepting it . Then in it's (un)official sequel Spotted Flower (written by the same author) she is seen to be transitioned living in a lesbian relationship.




PS: Some people say that Spotted flower is an alternate reality and not a sequel. In later chapters of Spotted Flower it's been hinted at, and the author has even made comments that alluded to it being a sequel.
Here's a point by point analyst of it.
https://laike9m.com/blog/spotted-flower-is-a-sequel-and-why,91/
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