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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/25/17
we span almost an entire continent and have multiple territories
why are we not labeled an empire?
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/25/17
We let most of our colonies go besides a few tiny Islands who's economy revolve our military. The Philippines was a colony we conquered.

Most empires span multiple continents. Were just really big.
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/25/17
From what I understand, we are so considered abroad, and the designation "western imperialism" is often used with respect to America furthering its interests internationally. I have spoken to one ardent Communist from mainland China who reports that, yes, America is considered imperialist by its detractors in China, and I suspect that other countries make a habit of so designating the US as well.
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Posted 12/24/17 , edited 12/24/17

redokami wrote:
we span almost an entire continent and have multiple territories
why are we not labeled an empire?


Well, you're a republic of states and you don't control any other countries so you don't exactly fit the classic descriptor. Even if there are many overseas who view you as imperialistic.

Also, both Russia and Canada are bigger than the US. So don't base it on square mileage.

No one talks about the Great Maple Empire.

( Of course, that is the first rule of Great Maple Empire ).


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Posted 12/25/17 , edited 12/25/17

redokami wrote:

we span almost an entire continent and have multiple territories
why are we not labeled an empire?


Well besides Canada and Russia controlling more land I think it more has to do how despite being totally cray cray most of your presidents haven't gone around calling themselves Emperor of the Greater United States or whatever an actual American Empire would call itself.
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Posted 12/25/17 , edited 12/25/17

runec wrote:


redokami wrote:
we span almost an entire continent and have multiple territories
why are we not labeled an empire?


Well, you're a republic of states and you don't control any other countries so you don't exactly fit the classic descriptor. Even if there are many overseas who view you as imperialistic.

Also, both Russia and Canada are bigger than the US. So don't base it on square mileage.

No one talks about the Great Maple Empire.

( Of course, that is the first rule of Great Maple Empire ).




I dunno what your going on about but I got myself some pancakes with butter on them and I need me some fresh Canadian maple syrup to put over them. Are you the Maple Syrup delivery man today?


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redokami wrote:

we span almost an entire continent and have multiple territories
why are we not labeled an empire?


Well besides Canada and Russia controlling more land I think it more has to do how despite being totally cray cray most of your presidents haven't gone around calling themselves Emperor of the Greater United States or whatever an actual American Empire would call itself.


Nah we would call them the Democratic Union of States or something.
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Posted 12/25/17 , edited 12/25/17
The Empire of the People's Democratic Republic of the United States of America only exists in bad fiction. For everyone else, it's divine mandate.
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Posted 12/25/17 , edited 12/25/17
Its pretty much depends on the definition of empire and the context. In the technical definition, The US is not an empire since their have few direct colonies. However, their neo-colonialism with puppet governments is extensive especially in the cold war; in the cold war, the US will go as far as assassination to establish a pro-western government in the former european colonies. The US had abandon many totalitarian regimes after the cold war but they still support a few dictatorships in strategic locations.

In the past when empires and colonialism is popular among the europeans, a country that is run by a puppet government is considered to be a colony. Such country with puppet government is no longer considered to be a colony due to the current unpopularity of imperialism.
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Posted 12/25/17 , edited 12/25/17
when a bunch of dudes stepped forth and was all like we don't want to be like the UK, we want our freedom, so they flew a yellow flag with a snake on it (Gadsden flag) and the Revolutionary War came and went and America wanted to be different not ruled by a tyrant, dictator, king, etc. well that's the short history of why America isn't an Empire. leaders of the free world since then have thought they to be kings and tyrants, but that didn't work out well for them in the end. thank goodness for the 4 year cycle and 8 total thanks to even more laws. so, yeah, to other countries America might seem like an Empire, but they aren't. granted they did take some parts of countries due to times of war (other) but they have returned some of them or the contract has expired and they never renewed it.
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Posted 12/25/17 , edited 12/25/17
Because America doesn't have the balls to push the button first.

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Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/26/17
What? it isn't?
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Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/26/17
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... Actually it's a bit more than that. Since the Monroe Doctrine we've been a bit shy about taking over places. Outside of the continental US, we only have two disconnected states and a handful of tiny islands of very small populations and great military value.



Compare to say.. Britain in its heyday:



Or the spanish empire:




The US simply isn't a big "empire" building nation. We've mainly purchased our land towards the west rather than conquering it (though you may argue about the native americans, but we purchased it from the french, the spanish, the mexicans, and the russians), and once we stretched coast to coast, we were done.

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Puerto Rico and the Phillipines are probably the most populous territories (non-states that have no real say in our government), and Japan until recently, has not had any sort of army (recently there's a push to change that due to North Korea), with the US acting as its military force.

We typically want to exert influence economically through our corporations, media, and way of life rather than actually take over another country. Even in our territories its more about having the military might and protection and we generally leave them to their own devices.

The Monroe doctrine was what established our general aversion to building an empire through traditional means and since the latter half of the 20th century (post WW2), taking over a country just isn't the thing to do.

The cold war, vietnam wat, and korean war have all been more about "fighting for capitalism over communism" (in other words economic systems and ideologies) than it has been about establishing traditional types of territories. the conflict in the middle east and rise of radical islam, (and even Putin regaining power in Russia) has been because of our cultural and economic pressures in those areas rather than about establishing traditional territories.

Israel is a special case. We have the highest jewish population of any nation for one, and second, we "created" that clusterfuck of a nation as an apology of sorts to the jews after the holocaust and WW2.

Prior to that, Israel hasn't been on a map for... ever? lol...

We essentially cockblocked palestine by taking all its ports and giving it to the ultra-conservative Zionists that believe very strongly in Israel as a nation with Jerusalem, etc. as manifest destiny and hellbent on keeping it.

like it or not, we created the mess there.
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Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/26/17
Put simply: An Imperial throne is what makes an empire an empire. We have no imperial throne. Therefore, there is no empire. Calling the UK an "empire" simply because it conquered lands is a misnomer.
Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/27/17
America was the result of a weak empire
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Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/27/17
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