Post Reply The hero's journey, as applied to your favorite anime
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Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/26/17
To me, there are tons of examples of anime that used the monomyth as a basis for storytelling. However, I might want to use Zeta Gundam as one example of its application:

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The Ordinary World: Kamille Bidan living a normal, teenage life on Gryps.

The Call to Adventure: Kamille helps Quattro and the other A.E.U.G. pilots steal two Gundam Mk. II's.

Refusal of the Call: I don't remember Kamille going through this step, since he still wanted to defeat the Titans just as much as the A.E.U.G.

Meeting with the Mentor: Kamille gains Quattro -- a.k.a. Casval Rem Deikun, a.k.a. Char Aznable -- as his mentor.

Crossing the First Threshold: Kamille's parents die, forcing him to join the A.E.U.G.

Tests, Allies, and Enemies: Kamille fights off numerous Titan mobile suits and completes missions given to him by the A.E.U.G., as well as gain allies in numerous A.E.U.G. pilots and officers -- including the original White Base crew itself.

Approach to the Innermost Cave: Kamille invading Jaburo, only to evacuate Earth once the mission ended with the Titans detonating it with a nuclear bomb.

The Ordeal: Kamille developing relationships with certain Titans pilots, including Four Murasame, only to reluctantly kill them off, anyway. He was an A.E.U.G. pilot, after all.

The Reward: Kamille trades the original Gundam Mk. II for the more powerful, custom-built Zeta Gundam, giving the former to Emma Sheen as a hand-me-down. Also, Kamille grows and evolves as both a pilot and a newtype to help accommodate him to the Zeta Gundam's advanced power and capabilities.

The Road Back: Quattro reveals the Titans' morally reprehensible actions to the Earth Federation; Kamille returns to space for the final battle against the Titans at Gryps.

The Resurrection: Tons of heroes and villains we've grown to know and love throughout the series die; Kamille uses the combined power of his deceased friends, allies, and loved ones' spirits to defeat Paptimus Scirroco and his mobile suit, The-O.

Return with the Elixir: Scirroco cripples Kamille's mind as his final act of retaliation before his death, leaving him a vegetable, taken out of commission, and thus passing the torch to Judau Ashta from Zeta Gundam's sequel, ZZ Gundam.

How do you think the hero's journey was applied to your favorite anime?
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Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/26/17
I'm very confused
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Why, because I put down a needlessly long wall of text that you couldn't comprehend?
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Commander_PonyShep wrote:



Why, because I put down a needlessly long wall of text that you couldn't comprehend?


Such a condescending tone.. sheesh!

I will admit, my comment did seek to poke fun at the fact you'll probably get a lot of similar reactions if you don't spell out in summary what you mean by "The Hero's Journey'. Yeah, you sound pretty intelligent if you're trying to tie in Campbell's monomyth with anime.

Yet being understood by the public is a common problem with intelligent people. Let me enlighten you bruh:

You might think that's unnecessary, but if you're trying to create a thread for people to contribute to, especially with such a complex framework, then my advice and anecdotally-derived observation would be to over-explain the whole thing. You yourself say the post is "needlessly long", yet it missed the mark entirely - in my opinion - on setting the stage for an effective thread.

Instead of taking the hint, you responded with.. that.

Good luck!
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Posted 12/26/17 , edited 12/26/17
Not sure if 'The Hero's Journey' actually applies to NGE.
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Hey commander, where'd you go bro? Should we chalk this up to another fail thread? lmao.

Shutting down weak threads on CR forums too ez.. like shooting fish in a barrel
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koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:

Hey commander, where'd you go bro? Should we chalk this up to another fail thread? lmao.

Shutting down weak threads on CR forums too ez.. like shooting fish in a barrel


No. I really don't want this thread to go away, at least not for a while. Because to me, the hero's journey is among my favorite topics to discuss.
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Commander_PonyShep wrote:


koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:

Hey commander, where'd you go bro? Should we chalk this up to another fail thread? lmao.

Shutting down weak threads on CR forums too ez.. like shooting fish in a barrel


No. I really don't want this thread to go away, at least not for a while. Because to me, the hero's journey is among my favorite topics to discuss.


Probably wouldn't hurt if you gave us a synopsis of the hero's journey and what the various steps are supposed to mean. Not everyone is hip to the sort of analysis you might get from a literature class. for various reasons.


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Commander_PonyShep wrote:


koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:

Hey commander, where'd you go bro? Should we chalk this up to another fail thread? lmao.

Shutting down weak threads on CR forums too ez.. like shooting fish in a barrel


No. I really don't want this thread to go away, at least not for a while. Because to me, the hero's journey is among my favorite topics to discuss.


Probably wouldn't hurt if you gave us a synopsis of the hero's journey and what the various steps are supposed to mean. Not everyone is hip to the sort of analysis you might get from a literature class. for various reasons.




Click here for the Hero's Journey: http://www.movieoutline.com/articles/the-hero-journey-mythic-structure-of-joseph-campbell-monomyth.html
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Hmm... I'll give it some thought. I'm thinking, if anything, that Evangelion is a deconstruction of the hero's journey. many things just don't fit and those that do are totally out of order.

Edit: so... Let's see.

The Ordinary World
- We are not shown an 'Ordinary world' Shinji's trials begin almost immediately. Unless a world of Giant Robots and Perilous Monsters is supposed to be the 'ordinary world' but then where is his adventure world?

The call to action
- Again this happens in the very first episode. He is imperiled within the first few minutes and is ordered to pilot the evangelion before the episode is done.

Refusal of the Call - Shinji does this immediately and then reverses himself. He will refuse to pilot the EVA two more times. Once very late in the series. Unless these are interpreted as different trials, his actions do not follow the paradigm.

Meeting the Mentor - The closest thing Shinji has to a mentor is his guardian Misato Katsuragi. They meet almost the instant the action starts and she has adopted him before the first episode is over. She continues to watch over him and attempt to guide him right until the end. If we go by the movies she is mortally wounded rescuing him from death and as her last act attempts to motivate him to do what needs to be done.

Crossing the Threshold - As I pointed out earlier. Shinji never enjoys the ordinary world. and refuses the call three times over the course of the series. It may be argued that one of the times he decides to pilot again after refusing represents the threshold. but his world doesn't change.

Tests, Allies, Enemies - Shinji has plenty of these. Nearly every week he faces a new monster. He has schoolmates fellow pilots the support and command staff of NERV. (although it could be argued that the latter most are actually enemies)

Approach to the Innermost Cave - This might fit the paradigm. There is indeed an 'innermost cave' to NERV and Shinji enters it very late in the series, about the time for the climax.

Ordeal - If we take Shinji entering Terminal Dogma as the innermost cave. Then his ordeal is to kill Kaoru Nagisa, the 17th angel, He has developed feelings for Kaoru and is deeply conflicted and arguably damaged by the choice even though Kaoru himself wishes it.

Reward (seizing the sword) - Shinji NEVER experiences a reward. He does seem to level up a bit but even there. He remains a wuss with an extremely low self-esteem,

The Road Back - There is no Road Back he has never left his world. Coming down from killing Kaoru gives him another pause and hiatus from piloting but he is back in the entry plug in time for the final movie.

Resurrection - There are multiple occasions when a previously crushed Shinji finds the will and the guts to pilot the EVA again. But there is no such moment near the end.

Return with the Elixir - Shinji brings the end of the world as we know it. There is no triumphant hero's return.

So... that's my take on the Hero's Journey as it relates to Neon Genesis Evangelion.

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Another Anime I like is the still ongoing Ancient Magus' Bride.

This one is also difficult to categorize. Unless you take the prequels into account, again, there is no normal world to depart from for the Protagonist. Perhaps her call to action and crossing are more to do with her personal attitudes. for nearly half the show she coasts comfortably simply taking what is given to her. It is only with the latest episode that she decides to take action and be proactive towards her own desires and goals.

Whelp. that's my take. make of it what you will.



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An entire genre it doesn't work for: Slice of life.
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Posted 12/30/17 , edited 12/30/17

Commander_PonyShep wrote:


koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:

Hey commander, where'd you go bro? Should we chalk this up to another fail thread? lmao.

Shutting down weak threads on CR forums too ez.. like shooting fish in a barrel


No. I really don't want this thread to go away, at least not for a while. Because to me, the hero's journey is among my favorite topics to discuss.


You pretty much ignored my advice to get this thread off the ground. Funny that you only posted a quick little google of "Hero's Journey" after another person also brought up the fact you did a shit job at laying the groundwork.

This thread won't be taking off any time soon with such a lazy OP.

Good luck in life bro, you must be misunderstood often lmao
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Posted 12/30/17 , edited 12/30/17

koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:


Commander_PonyShep wrote:


koakoakoakoakoakoakoakoakoa wrote:

Hey commander, where'd you go bro? Should we chalk this up to another fail thread? lmao.

Shutting down weak threads on CR forums too ez.. like shooting fish in a barrel


No. I really don't want this thread to go away, at least not for a while. Because to me, the hero's journey is among my favorite topics to discuss.


You pretty much ignored my advice to get this thread off the ground. Funny that you only posted a quick little google of "Hero's Journey" after another person also brought up the fact you did a shit job at laying the groundwork.

This thread won't be taking off any time soon with such a lazy OP.

Good luck in life bro, you must be misunderstood often lmao


Again, my bad.

I'm really sorry.
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I want to contribute but until you do the work I won't... it's a good premise.
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