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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/27/17

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Why do they always have to target gamers? Why are we being treated so badly?


Wow, what a coincidence. GamerGated gamer thinks he's a victim and also happens to be conservative. >_>

What are the odds.


I don't see how my political views are related to the topic, so why bring this in here?


Because GamerGate was co-oped by the ultra right-wing very transparently and ironically it turns out GamerGaters didn't give a shit about who they were sleeping with either.

Also your age makes me suspect that your grasp on politics is probably limited to what happened out of GamerGate and that scares the living hell out of me.

You weren't even alive when Columbine happened and back then I was afraid people would think I would shoot up a school if they found out I played Doom because the mainstream media, for whatever reason, reported that the shooters were bullied and used Doom to practice their massacre. Turned out, they were bullies and one of them just happened to like Doom.

So, what on earth do you consider being treated badly? Because some 20-something year old writes a blog about how gamers are misogynists or something? What about when some of the most powerful people in conservative media push propaganda on people your age and younger?

Personally? The right-wing becoming involved in an affair between gamers because some of those gamers believed in SJW ideas and shoving their shit politics in the minds of teenagers pisses me off a lot more than what some idiot who drinks pumpkin spiced anything thinks.

And if you think what is in the OP is an attack on you, you are looking in the wrong direction fella
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/27/17
i totally agree! i cant stop playing

now maybe i dont have to get a job i will get a doctors certificate
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This seems misguided ( and it seems its getting backlash from psychologists for being misguided ).

Any "gaming disorder" is going to be a combination of existing mental disorders ( depression, anxiety, OCD, addiction, etc ). Just like any other activity being overdone to the detriment of one's life.

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People who seek out unmediated stimulus will do so in a wide variety of mediums, gaming or not. This study does nothing but say, hey, addiction exists with video games too.

As someone who used to play video games and was an addict I can honestly say that it wasn't the game. It was a combination of enjoyment, anxiety, and avoidance without mediation that lead to the issues.
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runec wrote:

This seems misguided ( and it seems its getting backlash from psychologists for being misguided ).

Any "gaming disorder" is going to be a combination of existing mental disorders ( depression, anxiety, OCD, addiction, etc ). Just like any other activity being overdone to the detriment of one's life.



The overall thing is that gamers (or those who identify as gamers, at least) are quick to respond to something without knowing the full details.
It isn't much unlike how one may go to assist a new player and they refuse to accept your knowledge (given you've played said game for years); instead, they simply wanted validation of their opinion.
This thread reeks of desired validation.

"My opinion is just. Gamers are hard to control. We will not let this happen while lying down!"

In the end, the 'disorder' is complementary to an array of other mental illnesses.
Much like those who trot around stating that the ICD-10 claims that transgenderism is a mental disorder, people fail to understand what these classifications genuinely mean.
It's people taking it at face value without knowing the context and the use of these classifications.
From there, they post on social media and forums seeking validation of their opinions (which are formulated from their uneducated perspective of what these classifications mean) to ensure that their opinions are just/sound.
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Cydoemus wrote:
The overall thing is that gamers (or those who identify as gamers, at least) are quick to respond to something without knowing the full details.
It isn't much unlike how one may go to assist a new player and they refuse to accept your knowledge (given you've played said game for years); instead, they simply wanted validation of their opinion.
This thread reeks of desired validation.


Go with those who identify as. Most gamer's don't care but most gamer's aren't trolling it up online or taking part in troll storms with Gamergate or whatever. But yeah, there is a loud and reactionary minority on the internet that is capable of basically ruining everything and ironically adding to the very stigma they're supposedly fighting against.

But as for the WHO, I don't see "gamer" as being a category unique enough to merit its own disorder when its just going to be a symptom of other disorders. Much as with any obsessive or addictive behaviour. It's also not helping that they somehow got this into the news but have not actually shown what the guidelines they are using are for the disorder. So we've got the sensationalist part of it without any actual information to assess.

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I think this means people who's lives are affected. I grew up with a brother who used to spend tons on games and played so much that it affected his sleep, and he is still addicted but not even close to as bad. An un-role model with bad living habits (recently got a job but when jobless is a hiki-neet, and the stereotypical one at that).
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runec wrote:

But yeah, there is a loud and reactionary minority on the internet that is capable of basically ruining everything and ironically adding to the very stigma they're supposedly fighting against.


It's hilarious how many groups of people this statement could apply to. just spin the roulette wheel and land on a fandom/hobby/political orientation.
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/28/17

runec wrote:

But as for the WHO, I don't see "gamer" as being a category unique enough to merit its own disorder when its just going to be a symptom of other disorders. Much as with any obsessive or addictive behaviour. It's also not helping that they somehow got this into the news but have not actually shown what the guidelines they are using are for the disorder. So we've got the sensationalist part of it without any actual information to assess.



It really depends on what they're defining as the disorder. For instance, if they're including specific game designed Skinner boxes, arbitrary endpoint traps*, or sunk cost fallacies there's probably enough to differentiate game addiction from other behavioral addictions like gambling. But then the devil's in the details, so I suppose they could also just be copy-pasting from different related disorders.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ma4QM2tyE
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/28/17

runec wrote:

This seems misguided ( and it seems its getting backlash from psychologists for being misguided ).

Any "gaming disorder" is going to be a combination of existing mental disorders ( depression, anxiety, OCD, addiction, etc ). Just like any other activity being overdone to the detriment of one's life.



Exactly. No need for a special disorder when its just a symptom of a much larger issue.
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Posted 12/27/17 , edited 12/28/17
"No shit, Sherlock," is the perfect response to this article. An addiction a mental disorder? Oh, golly, who could have guessed? Perhaps I've missed something, but hasn't gaming addiction been recognized for years? All those stories about folks who spend thousands of dollars on games and hardly ever step away from their consoles/computers... That very thing that even anime and manga lampshade all the time...

Quote from the article:
"The WHO is to include gaming disorder in its International Classification of Diseases for the first time. This widely used diagnostic manual was last updated in 1990, and the latest version – called ICD-11 – is set to be published in 2018."

I've noticed that we're talking about the ICD being updated after a 28-year lapse. In other words; the article is really about a diagnostic manual being way overdue for an update, and so overdue that gaming addiction, a widely known occurrence, isn't yet in it. That's it, guys.

The article is pretty silly in it's wording, though. It's like the author is honestly trying to sell gaming addiction as something new and unheard of.
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Posted 12/28/17 , edited 12/28/17
I actually think it's weird that it wasn't officially classified as a specific disorder a long time ago. I don't think it's a disorder; I just thought that some group of idiots would have pushed this notion to fruition by now.
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Posted 12/28/17 , edited 12/28/17

Werning wrote

-snip- bunch of literally WHO loonies -snip-

LMAO

Does somebody feel attacked?

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Exactly. No need for a special disorder when its just a symptom of a much larger issue.


When the symptom is specialized to a specific set of behaviors, then a disorder is classified.
That’s what these classifications are designed for.
It doesn’t mean that someone can cast shade on you and instantly say “You have a gaming disorder” if you walk into a psychiatrist and say that you’ve been playing games for 10+ hours a week.

These classifications are a fair bit like a dictionary.
While there are root words (larger issues), there are also associated words (synonyms, antonyms, etc) too.
When a psychiatrist diagnosis an individual with a disorder, it’s not always the root - it can be a symptom or reaction of the root.
Just like a gambling disorder, “gaming disorder” would be an Axis I diagnosis according to the DSM-IV.
Axis I terms are (loosely stated) high-level diagnosis without a “deep dive” into the root cause, a preliminary observation of symptoms and behaviors.
Other Axis I diagnosis would be “panic attacks” or “post traumatic stress disorder”.
These are the symptoms or behavior disorders that come from an underlying cause or purpose.

It isn’t a “special disorder”.
It’s just a classification to state that someone has used gaming as their psychological dependency to survive (to the point of causing prolonged issues in their life).
The only time this classification would come into play would be if you were going to a psychiatrist because you had reached the point where you were jobless for several years, lost your support system or family’s support due to your gaming addiction, and you ignore all other aspects of life except gaming.
If you’re working, surviving, contributing to society ... you’re not going to be classified as having “gaming disorder”.
If you’re jobless, homeless, and still using the last of your money to play video games to escape the darkness in your life and that gaming means more to you than any other aspect of life (including, but not limited to, being alive) ... you just might have a problem.
That’s it.
It’s not complicated.

People who jump into this classification as some type of “attack” against gamers need to think about how this would sound coming from a similar diagnosis.
“We don’t need a special disorder for gambling addiction! There’s a much larger issue for gamblers. It isn’t like they have special needs when working through their therapy to avoid falling back into old behaviors! This is an attack on all gamblers!”
It’s a classification due to the fact that therapy would have to be modified to ensure that the addict doesn’t fall back into behaviors that promote such a negative lifestyle.
Is that so hard to understand?
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Video of mental illness in action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6L7HgNZ0Sc
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