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Posted 12/28/17 , edited 12/28/17

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We never had net neutrality therefore we couldn't get rid of it.

Throttling, data caps, and prioritization were not banned under the previous rules. Most of the fear mongering going around about the changes was already legal under Obamas rules.


Classifying internet as a common carrier did regulate against throttling and prioritization.


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/atts-common-carrier-status-helps-it-defeat-data-throttling-lawsuit/

ATT avoids the wrath of the FTC giving refunds to the people using ATT's service by instead giving the FCC and the US treasury the money. I wonder how much money was awarded to ATT in the next year to "expand their network". https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/atts-common-carrier-status-helps-it-defeat-data-throttling-lawsuit/

The FCC even states here that: The FCC last year proposed a $100 million fine against AT&T, saying it falsely labeled plans as “unlimited” and failed to sufficiently inform customers of the throttling.

Throttling was not illegal just improperly informing customers of it.



Where in the article does it say that the FCC,and US treasury got the funds?


Not sure if it was that article or one of the others I read but the FCC does not have the ability to give refunds to the people that were wronged by the company being fined. All fines from the FCC go into the US treasury.

I almost wonder is part of the reason we gave the FCC the internet is because of that very mechanism. Its a revenue maker that doesnt require a fair trial just paper pushers.
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Posted 12/28/17 , edited 12/28/17

Rujikin wrote:


danagram wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


qwueri wrote:


Rujikin wrote:

We never had net neutrality therefore we couldn't get rid of it.

Throttling, data caps, and prioritization were not banned under the previous rules. Most of the fear mongering going around about the changes was already legal under Obamas rules.


Classifying internet as a common carrier did regulate against throttling and prioritization.


https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/atts-common-carrier-status-helps-it-defeat-data-throttling-lawsuit/

ATT avoids the wrath of the FTC giving refunds to the people using ATT's service by instead giving the FCC and the US treasury the money. I wonder how much money was awarded to ATT in the next year to "expand their network". https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/atts-common-carrier-status-helps-it-defeat-data-throttling-lawsuit/

The FCC even states here that: The FCC last year proposed a $100 million fine against AT&T, saying it falsely labeled plans as “unlimited” and failed to sufficiently inform customers of the throttling.

Throttling was not illegal just improperly informing customers of it.



Where in the article does it say that the FCC,and US treasury got the funds?


Not sure if it was that article or one of the others I read but the FCC does not have the ability to give refunds to the people that were wronged by the company being fined. All fines from the FCC go into the US treasury.


https://www.bna.com/possible-fcc-shift-n57982084061/

The $100 million fine hasn't happened so no money has gone into the pockets of Washington yet.




The settlement includes $6.8 million in refunds and a $950,000 federal fine, the FCC said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-at-t-fcc/att-to-pay-7-75-million-for-allowing-sham-directory-assistance-calls-idUSKCN10J1TX
The FCC got $6.8 mil refunds for people
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For Canada this type of stuff is illegal, so i doubt Net neutrality would be « destroyed » in canada.


It’s at that moment you are proud of being a pure Canadian.
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Posted 12/29/17 , edited 12/29/17

Rujikin wrote:



I almost wonder is part of the reason we gave the FCC the internet is because of that very mechanism. Its a revenue maker that doesnt require a fair trial just paper pushers.


ISPs still have the ability to take the FCC to court to dispute the fine.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/16/att-denies-refunds-for-directv-now-customers-despite-the-services-performance-issues/

https://www.blumenthal.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/blumenthal-and-fcc-commissioner-urge-consumers-to-claim-sprint-and-verizon-cramming-refund-before-dec-31-deadline-


Found two other cases where the FCC got refunds for consumers.

Telecoms/ISPs can easily avoid being fined by not pulling shady shit on consumers all the time.
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