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You mean the records that Roy Moore's campaign fought to have destroyed?

https://globalnews.ca/news/3911956/alabama-court-blocks-order-to-not-destroy-voting-records-roy-moore-doug-jones/

Wonder why he fought to have those records destroyed.

Maybe because your party has a long history of messing with the black vote?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/24/us/alabama-voting-blacks-.html

Ironic, isn't it? Your party's attempts to hide their shitty strategy resulted in no chance of a recount. Now that's HILARIOUS.


this is funny... deja vu. hillary voters said the same thing last year when people said she rigged the election! impossible, they (you) said!

look now 1 year later, her own team admits it!
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I have to say, I absolutely adore this. These assholes were so sure that they were gonna win they intentionally shot down the idea of a recount and when they lost they realized that they had shot themselves in the dick so badly that they needed to make up voter fraud allegations. This is one for the history books

Of comedy, that is.





Roy Moore Campaign Staffer Shooting Themselves In the Foot Over and Over Again, circa 2017 (colorized)
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happyleaf2 wrote:

thats not how statistics works, even i know that.

statistically significant if the voter turn out is statistically DIFFERENT....

thats why all statistical differences need to be ivestigated... like you said... if there are any instance of voter fraud, then it needs to be investigated! he voted TWICE... this happens... hes not the only one... it is like hillary clintons strategy for sure like she did with bernie

as i said, you are not a maths expert... stop thinking you are smarter than the real experts..


Confusing correlation with causation is one of the easiest mistakes to make with statistics. Fraud is not the only nor even most likely cause for differences in voter turnout. The only apparent instance of alleged voter fraud in 2017 was investigated and found to be a legitimate voter. If that's all the "maths expert" has as proof, Moore is wasting his money.

*Edit: And if you're going to continue to attack my intelligence, continually appealing to authority with little application of that expert's material isn't convincing.
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happyleaf2 wrote:
oh jeez that was easy i wonder why people get specialized maths degrees.... because they are maths professionals hmm 45 percentages turnout to a 75 percantage turn out not very susspicious at all... lol...


Yes, sure.
Anyone with a mathematics degree can tell you that statistical data can be pruned or manipulated to fit whichever agenda they wish to fill.
An example of this would be the Simpson’s Paradox, which is often the case in polling data as well as political data.
He’s as much of a “math expert” as you are.
The only difference is that he understands how to manipulate data to show a discrepancy in the location that he wants it to be shown.

Again, he has never truly published data that is cohesive or have been peer reviewed by others (which is something required for research papers and documents).
His publications were done through self-publishing methods, not through a genuine authority.
You or I could do the exact same thing.
Don’t throw all of your eggs into the same basket unless you know the basket is stable, man.
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Confusing correlation with causation is one of the easiest mistakes to make with statistics. Fraud is not the only nor even most likely cause for differences in voter turnout. The only apparent instance of alleged voter fraud in 2017 was investigated and found to be a legitimate voter. If that's all the "maths expert" has as proof, Moore is wasting his money.


says the amateur.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

oh i wonder why albamans couldnt find the voters and couldnt release his names hmm....what are they hiding.

reminds me of a certain some body...

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happyleaf2 wrote:

says the amateur.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

oh i wonder why albamans couldnt find the voters and couldnt release his names hmm....what are they hiding.



So all you have left is to insult my intelligence? Disappointing.
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Yes, sure.
Anyone with a mathematics degree can tell you that statistical data can be pruned or manipulated to fit whichever agenda they wish to fill.
An example of this would be the Simpson’s Paradox, which is often the case in polling data as well as political data.
He’s as much of a “math expert” as you are.
The only difference is that he understands how to manipulate data to show a discrepancy in the location that he wants it to be shown.

Again, he has never truly published data that is cohesive or have been peer reviewed by others (which is something required for research papers and documents).
His publications were done through self-publishing methods, not through a genuine authority.
You or I could do the exact same thing.
Don’t throw all of your eggs into the same basket unless you know the basket is stable, man.


oh then how did he predict that hillary stole the election from bernie correctly before they admitted it?

because he manipulated the data right?
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qwueri wrote:

So all you have left is to insult my intelligence? Disappointing.


well you think that three maths expert witness arent evidence, so maybe so! but i didnt insult you so ...

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happyleaf2 wrote:

well you think that three maths expert witness arent evidence, so maybe so! but i didnt insult you so ...



I question how voter turnout data is relevant to fraud accusations when there's zero evidence of fraud and ample evidence of low voter enthusiasm for Moore. But sure, invoking the 'smug snake' label isn't insulting at all.
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oh then how did he predict that hillary stole the election from bernie correctly before they admitted it?

because he manipulated the data right?


Because it was already calculated long before he posted anything, check your dates.
Like I said, look up “Simpson’s Paradox” and then read how this guy frames his data.
Some people here actually have a Master’s Degree in Mathematics and can see how he manipulates data.
Statistical abnormalities and irregularities are common when people focus on certain subsets and utilize matrices incorrectly (oh, wait, I mean “correctly to the point that they’re trying to illustrate”).
As others have stated, you haven’t quite proven correlation between the “math experts’ data” and causation of voter fraud.
There’s a lot you’re missing and you’re not even trying to establish credibility, instead you’re attacking the people who are questioning your blind faith in someone you haven’t read much about, it seems.

You should stop using the term “math experts” when you can’t even understand the basic principles of mathematics well enough to understand what they’re telling you.
Instead, you’re reacting to everyone’s responses to you in a negative way because you refuse to admit that you haven’t a clue as to what you’re talking about.
That’s okay, nobody here accused you of knowing what you were talking about.
Just be honest with yourself and your responses.
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FYI happyleak2

Cydoemus is a professor.

So if you feel like he's taking you to school, that's because he can.
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Posted 12/28/17 , edited 12/28/17
http://time.com/5046991/71-percent-of-alabama-republicans-dont-believe-claims-against-roy-moore/

71 Percent of Alabama Republicans Don’t Believe Claims Against Roy Moore

By Jennifer Calfas December 3, 2017
A large majority of Republicans in Alabama say they do not believe the allegations of sexual misconduct with underage girls against Senate candidate Roy Moore, according to a new CBS poll.

Seventy-one percent of likely Republican voters in the state say the allegations first detailed in an extensive story in the Washington Post are “false,” while 17% said they were true, the poll from CBS News and YouGov found. Ninety-two percent of those who said they do not believe the allegations say it is because Democrats are to blame for them, while 88 percent said the media was, according to the CBS poll.

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91% of Republicans voted for Moore...
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happyleaf2 wrote:

http://time.com/5046991/71-percent-of-alabama-republicans-dont-believe-claims-against-roy-moore/

71 Percent of Alabama Republicans Don’t Believe Claims Against Roy Moore

By Jennifer Calfas December 3, 2017
A large majority of Republicans in Alabama say they do not believe the allegations of sexual misconduct with underage girls against Senate candidate Roy Moore, according to a new CBS poll.

Seventy-one percent of likely Republican voters in the state say the allegations first detailed in an extensive story in the Washington Post are “false,” while 17% said they were true, the poll from CBS News and YouGov found. Ninety-two percent of those who said they do not believe the allegations say it is because Democrats are to blame for them, while 88 percent said the media was, according to the CBS poll.



Is there a point you are trying to make there? I can be pretty dense at times but the only thing I'm getting is "71% Republicans polled are full of shit evangelicals."
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