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LakeJucas wrote:

It was Roy Moore's campaign that prevented the possibility of a recount.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/364430-alabama-supreme-court-stays-order-to-preserve-voting-records-in-senate

Maybe next time, he won't try to subvert democracy.


Was it his campaign that pushed for the digital images to be preserved? It wouldn't surprise me, but the article doesn't specify.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

Jones has been certified and Moore's complaint rejected. Looks like that's the end of it.


Depends on how much campaign money Moore has to waste on appeals and "experts". Although I have no idea what Alabama's laws say about a losing candidate contesting the vote, so the door may be closing if it's not already for him to order a recount.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

Jones has been certified and Moore's complaint rejected. Looks like that's the end of it.


Depends on how much campaign money Moore has to waste on appeals and "experts". Although I have no idea what Alabama's laws say about a losing candidate contesting the vote, so the door may be closing if it's not already for him to order a recount.


I think the difference has to be within 0.5% of the vote, or something, or the recount has to be funded by the candidate disputing the vote. And iirc, it ended up being something like 1.5%.
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Mishio1 wrote:

I think the difference has to be within 0.5% of the vote, or something. And iirc, it ended up being something like 1.5%.


For the state to pay for the recount. A state official had offered that Moore could pay for the recount himself, which I have no idea what the deadline on that would be.
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LakeJucas wrote:

It was Roy Moore's campaign that prevented the possibility of a recount.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/364430-alabama-supreme-court-stays-order-to-preserve-voting-records-in-senate

Maybe next time, he won't try to subvert democracy.


Was it his campaign that pushed for the digital images to be preserved? It wouldn't surprise me, but the article doesn't specify.


I've spent about 20 minutes trying to figure this out actually.

The case was originally brought forward by 4 concerned citizens and that's when the lower court ordered the preservation of the voting records.

Then, the AL Supreme Court struck it down because of a motion brought forth by Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill and Ed Packard, the state administrator of elections.

So the Republicans in the government sought the destruction of the voting records.

The lawyer for the original motion in the lower court commented


But Priscilla Duncan, attorney for four Alabama voters who sued the state last week in an attempt to force election officials to preserve the digital records, said Tuesday that their argument was "spurious" and misleading.

"They made a bunch of spurious arguments that they don't have the authority to tell [election officials across the state] what to do - well, they're already telling them what to do - and that it will cause a bunch of confusion at the polls, but the voters wouldn't even know if they changed their retention policy," Duncan said.


Then the Republican Secretary of State and Admin of Elections refused to comment on the issue.
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happyleaf2 wrote:

http://time.com/5046991/71-percent-of-alabama-republicans-dont-believe-claims-against-roy-moore/

71 Percent of Alabama Republicans Don’t Believe Claims Against Roy Moore

By Jennifer Calfas December 3, 2017
A large majority of Republicans in Alabama say they do not believe the allegations of sexual misconduct with underage girls against Senate candidate Roy Moore, according to a new CBS poll.

Seventy-one percent of likely Republican voters in the state say the allegations first detailed in an extensive story in the Washington Post are “false,” while 17% said they were true, the poll from CBS News and YouGov found. Ninety-two percent of those who said they do not believe the allegations say it is because Democrats are to blame for them, while 88 percent said the media was, according to the CBS poll.



Wait, 17% of the people most likely to vote for him believe he was guilty of harassment and other inappropriate sexual conduct (and probably decided to vote against him), and another 12% are unsure (at least some of whom likely voted against him or abstained), but you don't think it's possible that he lost the election legitimately? What? We're talking about a fifth of his voter base that probably didn't actually vote for him, and a good number who probably voted against him instead.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

I’m honestly a little worried. What Moore is doing here is a continuation of what Trump was making noise about during his campaign. If this builds any sort of momentum, it could become part of the Republican playbook whenever they lose.


It's still better than the nation wide riots that went on from never-Trumpers. At least this is legal and not disrupting anything.
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Aaand you're just going back to pushing false information to satisfy your narrative. Whatever, at least I can say I gave you a fair shake.


umm it wasnot me who said that, it was him he said nationalism is a joke because you were born here by chance. if that's not a left wing view point, then i dont know what is


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Remember when you felt so smart when you brought up Dunning-Kruger as an insult towards someone and then a LITERAL university professor came into this topic to tell you that he knows you don't know the first thing about what you are talking about?


oh, so i should trust a random person on the internet who spent 1 second looking at the evidence over some one who spent weeks researching this, has THREE degrees in mathematics, and two other mathematics professors that say that there was 99% chance of election fraud? sounds about right


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Wait, 17% of the people most likely to vote for him believe he was guilty of harassment and other inappropriate sexual conduct (and probably decided to vote against him), and another 12% are unsure (at least some of whom likely voted against him or abstained), but you don't think it's possible that he lost the election legitimately? What? We're talking about a fifth of his voter base that probably didn't actually vote for him, and a good number who probably voted against him instead.


so nobody believes the evidence, because they did the same thing to trump, but that causes 40 percent less turn out ? sure, so i wonder why they refused to recount? what about the criminal voters?
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so nobody believes the evidence, because they did the same thing to trump, but that causes 40 percent less turn out ? sure, so i wonder why they refused to recount? what about the criminal voters?


I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. How does anything in that comment relate back to my point?
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happyleaf2 wrote:

so nobody believes the evidence, because they did the same thing to trump, but that causes 40 percent less turn out ? sure, so i wonder why they refused to recount? what about the criminal voters?


I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. How does anything in that comment relate back to my point?


maybe you should read the topic first...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/24842/trump-accuser-lobbied-be-his-makeup-artist-months-james-barrett

also WTF, why are all of hillary voters cats? 4 people now
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happyleaf2 wrote:


foraslan wrote:


happyleaf2 wrote:

so nobody believes the evidence, because they did the same thing to trump, but that causes 40 percent less turn out ? sure, so i wonder why they refused to recount? what about the criminal voters?


I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. How does anything in that comment relate back to my point?


maybe you should read the topic first...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/24842/trump-accuser-lobbied-be-his-makeup-artist-months-james-barrett

also WTF, why are all of hillary voters cats? 4 people now


Love how everyone who disagrees with you is a 'hilary voter'. You know, treating people with contempt doesn't lead to dialogue.

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happyleaf2 wrote:


foraslan wrote:


happyleaf2 wrote:

so nobody believes the evidence, because they did the same thing to trump, but that causes 40 percent less turn out ? sure, so i wonder why they refused to recount? what about the criminal voters?


I don't even know what you're talking about at this point. How does anything in that comment relate back to my point?


maybe you should read the topic first...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/24842/trump-accuser-lobbied-be-his-makeup-artist-months-james-barrett

also WTF, why are all of hillary voters cats? 4 people now


That link wasn't in the OP and has nothing to do with anything I've been talking about, so I'm still not sure what you're going on about. Also, why do you think anyone who disagrees with you voted for Hillary? FYI, I voted for TRUMP.
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foraslan wrote:

That link wasn't in the OP and has nothing to do with anything I've been talking about, so I'm still not sure what you're going on about. Also, why do you think anyone who disagrees with you voted for Hillary? FYI, I voted for TRUMP.


At this point, I believe the person barely understands their own argument; let alone attempting to compound multiple arguments into a coherent one.
Just pay them no mind.
Such people are quick to label others "Shrillary Supporters" without realizing that they may actually be speaking to someone who voted Libertarian or for Donald Trump.

Those who want their "evidence" to support their "reality" will never break down and assume that they're making giant leaps in logic to prove that they're right in their own mind.
Just do you, don't worry about "happyleaf2".
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Roy Moore isn't taking no for an answer? Well i for one am shocked by this totally out of character behavior ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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LakeJucas wrote:

Remember when you felt so smart when you brought up Dunning-Kruger as an insult towards someone and then a LITERAL university professor came into this topic to tell you that he knows you don't know the first thing about what you are talking about?


Just for the record: previously a professor (not due to anything other than a desire to change careers).
Now I'm a programmer/product manager by day, private tutor/educator for gifted children by night (mathematics, physics, and English).
Even with that said, it's funny that the guy believes that there are only three people in the world with degrees in mathematics.
Just throwing that out there for comedic effect.
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