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Posted 12/30/17 , edited 1/9/18
If anything, I'm worried about anime, as a medium, being corrupted by ideological agendas. I suppose there's a risk of that happening if there comes a significant take-over of the medium, especially if it's corporate....but "corporate" might not even sound fitting.

Regarding ideological agendas, currently it's scattered, and mostly caught in English dubbing....though, to be fair, there's a possibility that it's just being done to get reactions out of us. There is one anime, though.....what was it called? Children of Ether? I saw a preview of that in theaters (The Ancient Magus' Bride). It looked pretty good, but the part that made me feel iffy was how there was an intention to promote POC's in anime. I don't have a problem with POC's or black people being characters in an anime; I've just gotten jaded with identitarianism over the years. However, there is good money to be had from it, hence why it will happen.

I suppose my fear could be more like a "progressive-corporate takeover" of anime...or is it "corporate-progressive"? I don't know. I guess when the West adopts anime as a medium, we can do whatever we want, but let's just hope that Japan (the source of this animation style we all know and love) stays based.
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perhaps it's due to the new "cash cow" back in the 90s it was just starting to seriously take off in the west, so many companies sparked and the economy was leading the way. over time, economics were not on their side so they had to merge/sell out or go bankrupt. thus the 2k rolls through and even more money is to be had, which was making the larger companies hungry and more merging and selling/buying came about. until now we're stuck with what we got. it's all about capitalism and where to park the money, they'd be nothing without the fans, but you need fans to make the money. might toss out there Hulu has one heck of a streaming adventure with cartoons, far more than netflix in my opinion. granted most are subbed, but, thanks to playing on CR I've gotten used to and actually enjoy the subs more, gives me a chance to appreciate all the cartoon has to offer and not just micro bits regarding dub and just letting it play in the background sort of thing. so, as long as they are producing things I like, then I'll continue to watch. I rarely buy because most doesn't appeal to me for a second go around, but with so much old/new I'm willing to give it all a go as long as it appeals to me.
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I only see positive in Netflix entering as they give highly niche series like Devilman a possibilty to exist. Giving people like Yuasa full creative control as well.

Amazon on the other end is pretty bad. They already seem to have cut ties with Sentai which put everything on Hidive so far. So baring locking Noitamina and co. shows, the damage they seem to cause seem to be on hold right now.

FUNimation and Crunchyroll and Sentai without Amazon, I see only positive about. I also doubt Sony will get involved at all in FUNI's activites. At least right now.
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I guess it took everybody long enough to realize that there was something to be had about anime, whether it was the appeal, or how it could be a cash-crop. Ugh; I remember when I was a young teen I dreamed of getting that slice of the pie. But, let's not turn this into a sob-story.

Now that I think about it, this is one of those things that requires adjustment. Anime isn't completely mainstream, although there are a lot of titles that have been picked up and broadcasted over here. Anime has become a more widely-accepted medium here as years went on, but I don't know if it's completely mainstream yet. But once (or if) it does become mainstream here, will it still have its uniqueness? All things considered, part of what made anime fascinating was how niche it was.
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I dunno, I've found I enjoy being able to watch anime with consistantly good subtitles. Also, less pirating now.


yes professionally produced subtitles are far better then the fan-subs of old.

And the piracy thing decreasing is both a good and bad thing in my view. Illegal streaming services comes with ads that can in many cases contain keylogger packages or botnet instructions, so you might become a part of a DDoS attack without your knowledge. So it's great that we have legit options that side-step this. However with more companies getting involved by creating streaming services means more companies are competing for your hard earned cash. This will push down prices and also increase the offering available on each service.

But on the other hand this leads to more segregation of available titles. So you might have to sub to more and more services to enjoy everything you want. Back when anime was still niche there was competition but not on this scale, meaning you wouldn't have to sub to as many services to get everything you liked
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Oh come on...not another "WEST IS GONNA MESS UP ANIME' post...
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Oh come on...not another "WEST IS GONNA MESS UP ANIME' post...

Sorry. I just have concerns and biases like that. There are some things that are at risk of being screwed up when another culture tries something from another's. Looking at it this way, Japan has done a lot of that themselves, such as Engrish misspellings, but most of us don't worry about that.
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Nogara-san wrote:
Oh come on...not another "WEST IS GONNA MESS UP ANIME' post...

Sorry. I just have concerns and biases like that. There are some things that are at risk of being screwed up when another culture tries something from another's. Looking at it this way, Japan has done a lot of that themselves, such as Engrish misspellings, but most of us don't worry about that.


I understand in a way...I've heard some dubs that completely miss the mark and use American English instead of even remotely trying to stay to the orginal Japanese...


But...there's plenty of Japanese corporations too that I"m sure are probably invovled with anime production.
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Oh come on...not another "WEST IS GONNA MESS UP ANIME' post...


I didn't make this thread to say "the west will destroy anime" or anything like it. If anything I wanted to start a discussion about how big corporate influence like Sony, Netflix and Amazon will impact the anime industry.

Besides anime has already had western influence for a while. Ghost in the shell for instance had UK based anime and manga licencor Manga entertainment on board and a couple of american companies on it's committee. Same with a lot of other old-school classic anime before the western anime crash of 2006.

Today with streaming and more modern anime we also have CR and Funimation directly on the production committees of many animes.
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I think Netflix and Amazon won't mess with the formula that made anime popular in the first place.



I'm not so sure about that. Netflix and Amazon are companies from a western country and there are a lot of anime that features questionable content that your average westerner would be very much against. So they might force censorship in certain countries or make global censorship to avoid the PR nightmare of having certain questionable anime on their services. For instance I highly doubt a anime like A Sister's All You Need that is offered here on CR would fly well with Netflix or Amazon


You are probably right. It would open them up to criticism if they funded or bought the streaming rights to anime like that. Those shows are late-night shows or OVAs in Japan already anyway. So I don't see their exclusion from global streaming platform as a change from the norm. The companies involved in their production already have limited expectations for their appeal and I don't see the steaming companies campaigning for their eradication so I wouldn't worry about them becoming extinct.


You're probably right, more risky anime probably aren't going away anytime soon.

But Netflix and Amazon not investing in certain types of anime might also end up being a problem. Netflix have already shown that they pay better then anime productions under committees. So it wouldn't surprise me if anime studios and animators choose to work with amazon and netflix more and more considering how poor the living standards of animators and anime studios are in japan are. So Netflix and Amazon might have a indirect impact on certain risky anime by not investing in them.


You are saying greed will kill ecchi anime? Doubt it. There was always more money in shounen manga but ecchi manga still come out. The publishers of those ecchi manga will cough up the cash to pay a studio to adapt it in hopes to boost manga sales. Their business model depends on it and there are studios that would be more than happy to take their cash. Even if all the existing studios were tied up with Amazon/Netflix productions new ones will form to fill the niche. Ecchi ain't going anywhere.
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Posted 12/30/17

TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


Nogara-san wrote:

Oh come on...not another "WEST IS GONNA MESS UP ANIME' post...


I didn't make this thread to say "the west will destroy anime" or anything like it. If anything I wanted to start a discussion about how big corporate influence like Sony, Netflix and Amazon will impact the anime industry.

Besides anime has already had western influence for a while. Ghost in the shell for instance had UK based anime and manga licencor Manga entertainment on board and a couple of american companies on it's committee. Same with a lot of other old-school classic anime before the western anime crash of 2006.

Today with streaming and more modern anime we also have CR and Funimation directly on the production committees of many animes.


Then I apologize for misreading you.

But I also don't think corporate influence will do anything in regards to anime, other than how much money they can make off it.
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Given anime still lives and dies by how well it does in Japan I highly doubt that, for the foreseeable future, Netflix or Amazon will have any significant influence on the creative side. For now they seem to be focusing on the fairly "clean" franchises which they think will do well in both Japan and the West. Though time and again anime that have been huge hits in Japan have had mediocre success in the West and vice versa. Anime is a niche market in the West and frankly I believe it will stay a niche market for quite some time in the West. Why? Because despite series like The Simpsons, Southpark, and The Boondocks the majority of adults in the West equate animation with children's entertainment.

Also, as Netflix and Amazon are expanding into Japan I have a feeling they're less trying to Westernize anime as to buy their way into the Japanese media market. There's a reason Netflix simulcasts anime in Japan but waits till the end of the season to run it everywhere else. If they tried to impose their "binge only" mentality on Japanese anime otakus they'd flop so hard you'd be able to hear them crash and burn from anywhere on the planet.
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Given anime still lives and dies by how well it does in Japan I highly doubt that, for the foreseeable future, Netflix or Amazon will have any significant influence on the creative side. For now they seem to be focusing on the fairly "clean" franchises which they think will do well in both Japan and the West. Though time and again anime that have been huge hits in Japan have had mediocre success in the West and vice versa. Anime is a niche market in the West and frankly I believe it will stay a niche market for quite some time in the West. Why? Because despite series like The Simpsons, Southpark, and The Boondocks the majority of adults in the West equate animation with children's entertainment.

Also, as Netflix and Amazon are expanding into Japan I have a feeling they're less trying to Westernize anime as to buy their way into the Japanese media market. There's a reason Netflix simulcasts anime in Japan but waits till the end of the season to run it everywhere else. If they tried to impose their "binge only" mentality on Japanese anime otakus they'd flop so hard you'd be able to hear them crash and burn from anywhere on the planet.


Thank you.

That's kinda what I was thinking too.

The new interest in anime is about the asian market. The new interest in live action anime movies here in the US are also more about the asian market.

there's a couple billion of them, and maybe half a million of us....?
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With big companies taking control, it's both a good thing and a bad thing. It's good in that anime is gaining more prominence and seeing that the animators are grossly underpaid that having a larger source of revenue to fund a higher quality product gets us a better product. But at the same time, it means that some of the things that made the anime community what it is gets lost whether it be through misguidance, bottom line, greed, or something else that these guys don't understand. Taking Amazon for example, I like that they are providing a lot of money into anime, but then there's Anime Strike where it was created out of faulty reasoning and is driving fans towards illegal streaming sites. So it's a double-edged sword and it's all good as long as they are committed to giving what anime fans want like what Crunchyroll and Funimation have been doing.
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Understandably because that's what the fangs are good for.

You don't have to worry about anything because they'll make sure the previous structures within the acquired stays the same. I fact they most of the times help the acquired be more decentralised making sure they are better placed to pump out good quality.
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