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Posted 12/31/17 , edited 12/31/17

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You are saying greed will kill ecchi anime? Doubt it. There was always more money in shounen manga but ecchi manga still come out. The publishers of those ecchi manga will cough up the cash to pay a studio to adapt it in hopes to boost manga sales. Their business model depends on it and there are studios that would be more than happy to take their cash. Even if all the existing studios were tied up with Amazon/Netflix productions new ones will form to fill the niche. Ecchi ain't going anywhere.


No not at all, if anything I think the committee funded business model that the anime industry has been under are far more greedy then the one of new players in the industry like Amazon and Netflix have provided, as most of the money went to the committee rather then those working on each individual anime.

Under the committee model there used to be the manga publisher, investors, merchandise companies, TV network and etc who funded it and who also took most of the profits, what's left ends up in the hands of the producers and directors with the last small amount of cash being handed down to the animators who pretty much get a borderline slavery salary. Heck I earned more then producers and directors at my first job without any education, so it's even worse for those who animate everything.

https://kotaku.com/average-anime-industry-salaries-get-depressing-1774852881

Here's a screenshot I took off glassdoor comparing animation jobs



What has driven the anime industry is passion and I think that passion can get lost when big corporations come in to the picture, as I think many people will choose to work with the big companies willing to pay more so they get to have a better standard of living rather then under committee where they get shit salary. Of course I want animators to earn more under committees, but I think that unless committees are willing to let the flow of profits go down the chain then Netflix and Amazon might be the start of the end for more risky niche anime series that made the medium into what it is today.
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Posted 12/31/17 , edited 12/31/17
The 1st anime series with an ongoing plot, the original Astro Boy, was licensed by NBC Enterprises when the Eng. dub debuted on Amer. TV on 9/1/1963. So, big media corporations have been involved with anime from the earliest days of modern anime.
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So bottom line is with the streaming companies paying more they'll impose their western sensibilities on the anime industry simply by choosing which anime to adapt and censoring the more risky ones.

I don't think it's as linear as that but then again I'm no expert. All I do know is there is a market in Japan that crave the smut and basic economics tells us where there is demand there will always be a business proposition for someone to supply it.
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Anime used to be a lot different in many ways. It is always changing everyone always says anime is dying but it doesn't, it just changes a bit. You are right some random genre might die off and a new type of anime take over, this happens all the time. Anime doesn't even need the west there are plenty of anime nobody knows about here that is popular in japan. If anything anime is getting wider, there are so many that air each season compared to anime in the past. To me it seems way better than the shitty wild west era where it was hard to support something even if you wanted to.
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I really wish that big corporations could allow legal streaming services to expand their anime catalog to every country in the world.
Oh Toei why can't you allow us Europeans to watch One Piece legally ( somebody correct me if I'm wrong but If you live in Europe you can't watch One Piece legally)
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Posted 1/5/18 , edited 1/6/18

weebsarebad wrote:

They'd turn anime pop thus destroying it forever. To corporations, nothing can't be monetized. They have no soul and their god is money.


I wouldn't go as far as to say that corporations destroy everything nor that they try to get everything monetized as that's far from the truth. However corporations that don't understand a certain medium are the problem as they may not know how to properly monetize a certain medium. And isn't more flow of money a good thing? I mean it's money that goes back into creating more anime
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DarkBlade19 wrote:

I really wish that big corporations could allow legal streaming services to expand their anime catalog to every country in the world.
Oh Toei why can't you allow us Europeans to watch One Piece legally ( somebody correct me if I'm wrong but If you live in Europe you can't watch One Piece legally)


I would say that depends on your country. Europe isn't one country/license area like the US, so companies have to license a anime/show for each and every country they want to release it in. So they choose the areas that are the most profitable.

Not to get into politics or anything, but the European pirateparty is trying to get the EU to become one license area by making it illegal to geoblock content by country within the union. And if that legislation gets put into power by the EU parlament then content will get cheaper for companies like crunchyroll and netflix to license as their licensiering for a bigger area, meaning more content for us like the US
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Posted 1/6/18 , edited 1/6/18
Well, let's look at the lesson that is Anime Strike

Amazon badically totally screwed it up, dropped the service after a year and has grabbed only a small handful of shows for the Winter Season. They are clearly feeling a little burned right now.

It wasn't simply the Double payway that kept customers away either. I gather their subtitles were poorly done, they were frequently late getting the episodes up and by and large they did a crappy job.

So right there we see that just being a big company with money to throw in doesn't mean much if you don't put in the effort to keep your customers happy.
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Posted 1/6/18 , edited 1/6/18
I'm a bit surprised they didn't stick it out for 2-3 years. Apparently someone with authority looked at it and made the call to take it out back and shoot it rather than letting it linger while they tinkered with it.

As it turned out, they went only a season beyond the usual 3 season stretch other anime services before them went before they either folded or ceased to be a real threat to existing services.


Lets not overlook that it wasn't just Anime Strike this happened to, but another channel (Heera) Amazon owned. It wasn't just them giving up on Anime Strike, but creating and running their own channels in general.


Speaking of channels, one thing I think a lot of people wouldn't mind is seeing CR offered as a channel on Amazon Prime Video (like HBO, Showtime, etc., and more recently CBS All Access). One of the nice things about that is the ease with which a person can pick up and drop a subscription.
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Posted 1/8/18 , edited 1/8/18

weebsarebad wrote:

They've got your brainwaves where they want them. There's nothing I can do for you.


Oh you wanna get that tinfoil hat into action. This very website you're on is run by a corporation, in case you didn't know.



Companies aren't corrupt by nature, that doesn't mean there aren't corrupt or greedy companies out there. But the greedy corrupt once are by far a minority of the companies out there.

Besides how would a company monetize fucking anime outside a subscription or purchase of the product? I mean it's not like the financial sector where greed and corruption is riddled everywhere.

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Posted 1/8/18 , edited 1/8/18
Anime has Fallen

Must revive

Im on it

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Devilman: Crybaby proved that Netflix isn't going to censor or Westernize anime. It's a hard TV-MA. Makes Monogatari look like a Disney cartoon.
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I think part of Amazon's problem is that their overall video streaming layout/user interface is not conducive to simulcasts. It was hard to tell when a show updated. I found myself going to a pirate site just to see when Amazon had put up their subs. It's almost as bad using VRV (a web site I can use free with my CR membership and get a cheaper Funimation membership). The only way I have to tell when a show has been updated there is to go to the page and see if there are any new episodes.
Overall, of the legal anime sites, I have to say that CR has the best features for following a simulcast series. New episodes for that day are shown in the right hand column of the main page. And, your queue has a good indicator of which shows have any unwatched episodes.
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