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For $100? no. Not unless you are willing to be a service based business with yourself as #1 employee and work till you have enough money to reinvest in better equipment and better advertising. From there, you'll keep reinvesting until you can afford to invest in employees. From there, you reinvest until the business is profitable enough for you to sell it. Then you sell it at the age of 75.


This.

As someone who has a "project turned product" and is contemplating the idea of starting my own business, I feel like the OP has not thought about the overall aspects of what's involved in creating a company.
If anything, a company that started off in such a fashion will either: a) self-destruct within months or b) turn into a side-project that does not yield any profit.
Just for hosting to AWS alone, I am spending around $1,800 a month and have been keeping the RDS (relational database services) and the R3 instance (memory-optimized AWS instance) for well over 5 years; costs shifted based on testing and proof of concepts (data/memory usage).
Now I'm in negotiations to allow access to this service for $50,000 a month but will have to scale for stability (as it was not designed around business usage), I am looking at $17,000 a month to expand and have the necessary backup services in place to ensure the stability of the product.

The average cost to start a tech startup in America is around $18,000.
This is without getting trademarks (registering company name), registering as an LLC/corporation, and all of the legal stuff you'd be paying a lawyer to handle.
Of course, most people get too greedy and confident: they begin expanding the money they have any external capital.
Boom.
Hired too many employees without making sure that you could sustain their salaries when those two or three customers keeping you going decided to venture elsewhere and now the company is in ruin.

What you seem to be missing OP is that most of your ideas seem to be centered around the idea that getting these products or ideas out to the consumer world is cheap just because you can design an application and a related database to handle information.
Once it goes into the world where consumers start purchasing it, or when it's a business to business transaction, there are expected norms and legal expectations of how you manage that database.
From HIPAA to PCI compliance, you'd have to make sure that you pay close attention to how you manage data (in the United States, at least).
Just for PCI compliance (when credit card data is being used), it's often the case that you'll have to pay for an audit to get PCI certified.
That audit is roughly around $50-60,000 USD alone.
HIPAA audit will run you another $40,000 USD.
Both compliance methods will involve an on-site audit of your servers, firewalls, and company security.

Okay, sure, not all applications will be managing credit cards or healthcare records.
But there's always marketing, getting your name out there, having the equipment to make sure that you can sustain the product.
$100 won't even buy you a single server to keep a separate database server to keep things clean.
Automation has been the "in thing" when it comes to technology but there's also the expectation of speed.
An $800 laptop that has Apache and MySQL installed isn't going to be stable enough for a customer base.
If you're offering a service over an application, this is something you have to think about.
If the application (as a template to create another application) is what you're offering, you have to think about differentators - as there are thousands of products offering this on the market.

Thanks for the detailed analysis, no offense. I am thinking more on, hosting an online game and have lots of users without becoming a company. Like a forum or some sort. Of course you still sell stuff like in game items that goes with a license to sell. With that said it goes with any idea online game/web service/forums/etc. The idea is to get the idea (the app) out and rack a few bucks. Some company might like your website, your idea, your forum and you get an instant sponsor.

P.S It's the Fred's random thoughts of the day with ideas that goes no where, but feel free to reply anyway
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Thanks for the detailed analysis, no offense. I am thinking more on, hosting an online game and have lots of users without becoming a company. Like a forum or some sort. Of course you still sell stuff like in game items that goes with a license to sell. With that said it goes with any idea online game/web service/forums/etc. The idea is to get the idea (the app) out and rack a few bucks. Some company might like your website, your idea, your forum and you get an instant sponsor.

P.S It's the Fred's random thoughts of the day with ideas that goes no where, but feel free to reply anyway


As I said in my earlier post, your ideas seem to ignore the fact that these things cost money for upkeep.
Let's say you created a forum and overall system for selling, trading, buying in-game items (even if it's a game you didn't develop).
You'd have to make sure that the web server can handle the load, that you have protection policies in place to ensure people didn't get scammed (not necessary but assist in user retention), and all those kinds of things.
Fortunately, $100 might yield enough for the host and domain?

You do seem to post a lot of one-off ideas on this forum, from what I can see.
You stop just short of the realm of realism when you don't think about how many upfront costs are associated with them.
Do some research into the realm.
From what I've gathered/read, you're a developer so you should understand associated costs with servers, databases, and licenses for forum software or some game libraries.
So take a few moments and think it through.
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Cydoemus wrote:


fredreload wrote:
Thanks for the detailed analysis, no offense. I am thinking more on, hosting an online game and have lots of users without becoming a company. Like a forum or some sort. Of course you still sell stuff like in game items that goes with a license to sell. With that said it goes with any idea online game/web service/forums/etc. The idea is to get the idea (the app) out and rack a few bucks. Some company might like your website, your idea, your forum and you get an instant sponsor.

P.S It's the Fred's random thoughts of the day with ideas that goes no where, but feel free to reply anyway


As I said in my earlier post, your ideas seem to ignore the fact that these things cost money for upkeep.
Let's say you created a forum and overall system for selling, trading, buying in-game items (even if it's a game you didn't develop).
You'd have to make sure that the web server can handle the load, that you have protection policies in place to ensure people didn't get scammed (not necessary but assist in user retention), and all those kinds of things.
Fortunately, $100 might yield enough for the host and domain?

You do seem to post a lot of one-off ideas on this forum, from what I can see.
You stop just short of the realm of realism when you don't think about how many upfront costs are associated with them.
Do some research into the realm.
From what I've gathered/read, you're a developer so you should understand associated costs with servers, databases, and licenses for forum software or some game libraries.
So take a few moments and think it through.


Well, yes I do write webforms and manage Oracle databases. The idea is that you could work on a whole variety of projects and get paid, all the way from visualization with OpenCV to an open source javascript chat app. Well the thing is not many of them get you money. Chance is if you are working with OpenCV you'll probably be building some security app. So how often do you get to host, work on things you like and get paid doing it? So what kind of applications should get you paid? Well there should be tons of projects, but not enough ideas, and not enough money. For instance, if I do donate my CPU to compile for some projects, I am getting 30 cents a day, which I want 100 dollars a day.
The example I gave that loads in a set of instructions from the database seems like a good idea as well. But as of now I can't really think of a good place to use it. But someone knows, someone would engineer/reverse engineer everything I do and make it better.
Well, is this world out of ideas as to how to use computer resources? Not quite, I mean the term artificial intelligence was there for over a few decades and we're just beginning to take grasp. Or that fact that it's been created and stay hidden.
So what good is it for me to give out ideas here in my room alone D:. Well, yes you presented the realistic side of things, the server cost, the licenses cost. As well as figuring out whether an idea is good or not. I however presented the fact that, no one knew Facebook would make that much money. No one knew Youtube would make that much money. No one knew electromagnetic radiation and nerve conduction would become a dream. It all came from an idea, a simple one at that.

P.S And by all means I am not against your sir. If you can get me a job in the state I'll look for you in the future
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Cydoemus wrote:


serifsansserif wrote:
For $100? no. Not unless you are willing to be a service based business with yourself as #1 employee and work till you have enough money to reinvest in better equipment and better advertising. From there, you'll keep reinvesting until you can afford to invest in employees. From there, you reinvest until the business is profitable enough for you to sell it. Then you sell it at the age of 75.


This.

As someone who has a "project turned product" and is contemplating the idea of starting my own business, I feel like the OP has not thought about the overall aspects of what's involved in creating a company.
If anything, a company that started off in such a fashion will either: a) self-destruct within months or b) turn into a side-project that does not yield any profit.
Just for hosting to AWS alone, I am spending around $1,800 a month and have been keeping the RDS (relational database services) and the R3 instance (memory-optimized AWS instance) for well over 5 years; costs shifted based on testing and proof of concepts (data/memory usage).
Now I'm in negotiations to allow access to this service for $50,000 a month but will have to scale for stability (as it was not designed around business usage), I am looking at $17,000 a month to expand and have the necessary backup services in place to ensure the stability of the product.

The average cost to start a tech startup in America is around $18,000.
This is without getting trademarks (registering company name), registering as an LLC/corporation, and all of the legal stuff you'd be paying a lawyer to handle.
Of course, most people get too greedy and confident: they begin expanding the money they have any external capital.
Boom.
Hired too many employees without making sure that you could sustain their salaries when those two or three customers keeping you going decided to venture elsewhere and now the company is in ruin.

What you seem to be missing OP is that most of your ideas seem to be centered around the idea that getting these products or ideas out to the consumer world is cheap just because you can design an application and a related database to handle information.
Once it goes into the world where consumers start purchasing it, or when it's a business to business transaction, there are expected norms and legal expectations of how you manage that database.
From HIPAA to PCI compliance, you'd have to make sure that you pay close attention to how you manage data (in the United States, at least).
Just for PCI compliance (when credit card data is being used), it's often the case that you'll have to pay for an audit to get PCI certified.
That audit is roughly around $50-60,000 USD alone.
HIPAA audit will run you another $40,000 USD.
Both compliance methods will involve an on-site audit of your servers, firewalls, and company security.

Okay, sure, not all applications will be managing credit cards or healthcare records.
But there's always marketing, getting your name out there, having the equipment to make sure that you can sustain the product.
$100 won't even buy you a single server to keep a separate database server to keep things clean.
Automation has been the "in thing" when it comes to technology but there's also the expectation of speed.
An $800 laptop that has Apache and MySQL installed isn't going to be stable enough for a customer base.
If you're offering a service over an application, this is something you have to think about.
If the application (as a template to create another application) is what you're offering, you have to think about differentators - as there are thousands of products offering this on the market.


That includes things I hadn't even considered myself.

I can never understand why people who have never owned a business in their lives or worked administration (as I do), think that starting and owning a business is something just ANYBODY can do.
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