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First off is there anyone in Iran that can comment more about this? Secondly this is a thread about what is happening in Iran in general in regards to the government protests.

Protesters are protesting Iran's policy of foreign intervention in nearby countries while claiming the government is ignoring domestic affairs. They are claiming the clerics and the supreme leader act like gods and do not listen to the demands of the people. Women are protesting a new law being proposed to enforce wearing the Hijab and do not want to be subjugated, oppressed, and dominated by laws made by the men. This is a Hijab:



The government has been censoring news and stopping the flow of information out of Iran so there is a severe lack of information on what is going on there (great idea giving government control of the internet).

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42512946

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-rallies/iran-protesters-rally-again-defying-warning-of-crackdown-idUSKBN1EP064

Its still too early to know much about these protests but it seems like, at least the women, are fighting an attempt to oppress them and that others are angry that unelected priests are having too much control over the government. If they are indeed trying to protect and obtain more freedom than they have many friends in the USA that support them Making Iran Great Again.

Trump has even stated the USA is watching to make sure the government doesn't do anything horrible against its citizens.



Has anyone found any more news from independent sources coming out of Iran? What do you think about the protesters? Are they pro-freedom or are they pushing for more Koranic law?
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sadly after they have shut down internet in the area to make it even more dark, I'd imagine the ability to get info out is going to be even harder. and, as usual, the news calls it wrong. protesting is a "peaceful" situation whereas there is no violence and damage, it crosses the path to riot once something/one is hurt. currently it's mostly protesting, but at least this president had the guts to mention it, all the other presidents were quiet about the ongoing detest for their government. be thankful, only a few outlets are covering this at all, most media outlets are quiet on it. I was on twitter earlier watching people blow up calling out these so called feminists and reading about Iran's protest to the hijab and them being against it. true feminists vs wannabe such a sad state of affairs in their conflicts. I seriously hope they prevail in as peaceful method as possible, they deserve freedom from their government. all these images of showing Iran before the 1970s and now, it's scary how bad/far unchecked minds will go. power to the people on this one. and before it went dark I was able to follow things on twitter, so, I'm certain there are still some die hard journalists left, so, let's hope all comes out safely. as we already know some deaths have occurred by the government as well as the government telling the people via test it's a crime to protest and you will be arrested if found in the streets. thank goodness some folks are tired and loss fear in their government. kudos to the brave men and women out there trying to get the message across, *insert path of follow* speed. stay safe, be brave.
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Twitter is now restricting access to accounts linked to the protests. Is Twitter taking sides in this conflict? The content on @iranprotests isn't even that bad its just showing the protests and organizing to some degree.



https://twitter.com/iranprotest


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Protesters are protesting Iran's policy of foreign intervention in nearby countries while claiming the government is ignoring domestic affairs. They are claiming the clerics and the supreme leader act like gods and do not listen to the demands of the people. Women are protesting a new law being proposed to enforce wearing the Hijab and do not want to be subjugated, oppressed, and dominated by laws made by the men.


It should be noted that prior to the Iranian revolution everyone wore jeans and miniskirts. There's still a generation there that remembers freedom from theocratic rule and has undoubtedly passed it down to their children.







( old magazines )
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I should elaborate more on this quoted image: many corrupt governments in the Middle East lack support from their citizen and they depend heavily on US to maintain their regime. They get support from USA with the "help us maintain our regime so we can defeat the Al Qaida in our country" and the "side with us against the Al Qaida because the Al Qaida is a threat to USA and we do not threaten USA even when we commit countless human rights violation against our own people". In fact, many of those corrupt regimes actually prefer to have terrorist rebels in their own country as long as they could still get support from USA.
Due to the abandonment of advance intelligent gathering institutions from USA after the Cold War, the USA depend heavily on corrupt governments for info on terrorists in the Middle East so the USA had been misled into killing non-terrorists. This contrast to the Cold War when the USA intentionally support corrupt governments.
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While it's nice of you to care about Iran at this particular point in history, you are misleading readers by making no mention that the theocracy in Iran and its autocratic system of government is a direct result of a coup d'etat instigated by the United States and the United Kingdom to overthrow Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister back in 1953, also known as Operation AJAX. The claim that the Iranian protests are not being covered by the media is laughable; rather, facts about the coup is what's missing from the narrative most of all.

Operation AJAX is well-documented and includes information from declassified CIA documents.

And let it be known this is neither the first nor the last instance of clandestine foreign intervention by the United States. The US called for an emergency United Nations Security Council meeting today to discuss Iran, which is rich considering their close ally, Saudi Arabia, continues to exacerbate the humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen through their continued military intervention, supported by - you guessed it - the United States and the United Kingdom in the form of weapon sales and logistical support.

But yes, tell us more about how much you care about the struggle of the Iranian people.
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While it's nice of you to care about Iran at this particular point in history, you are misleading readers by making no mention that the theocracy in Iran and its autocratic system of government is a direct result of a coup d'etat instigated by the United States and the United Kingdom to overthrow Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister back in 1953, also known as Operation AJAX. The claim that the Iranian protests are not being covered by the media is laughable; rather, facts about the coup is what's missing from the narrative most of all.

Operation AJAX is well-documented and includes information from declassified CIA documents.

And let it be known this is neither the first nor the last instance of clandestine foreign intervention by the United States. The US called for an emergency United Nations Security Council meeting today to discuss Iran, which is rich considering their close ally, Saudi Arabia, continues to exacerbate the humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen through their continued military intervention, supported by - you guessed it - the United States and the United Kingdom in the form of weapon sales and logistical support.

But yes, tell us more about how much you care about the struggle of the Iranian people.


You have no clue what the word misleading even means do you.
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Rujikin wrote:
Protesters are protesting Iran's policy of foreign intervention in nearby countries while claiming the government is ignoring domestic affairs. They are claiming the clerics and the supreme leader act like gods and do not listen to the demands of the people. Women are protesting a new law being proposed to enforce wearing the Hijab and do not want to be subjugated, oppressed, and dominated by laws made by the men.


It should be noted that prior to the Iranian revolution everyone wore jeans and miniskirts. There's still a generation there that remembers freedom from theocratic rule and has undoubtedly passed it down to their children.







( old magazines )


that dude with the mustache looks like a total creeper lmao

and also honestly looks like he could be a Mario brother
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that dude with the mustache looks like a total creeper lmao


Welcome to the 70s~

Looking like a creeper was fashionable. >.>

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hunkydory1029 wrote:

While it's nice of you to care about Iran at this particular point in history, you are misleading readers by making no mention that the theocracy in Iran and its autocratic system of government is a direct result of a coup d'etat instigated by the United States and the United Kingdom to overthrow Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister back in 1953, also known as Operation AJAX. The claim that the Iranian protests are not being covered by the media is laughable; rather, facts about the coup is what's missing from the narrative most of all.

Operation AJAX is well-documented and includes information from declassified CIA documents.

And let it be known this is neither the first nor the last instance of clandestine foreign intervention by the United States. The US called for an emergency United Nations Security Council meeting today to discuss Iran, which is rich considering their close ally, Saudi Arabia, continues to exacerbate the humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen through their continued military intervention, supported by - you guessed it - the United States and the United Kingdom in the form of weapon sales and logistical support.

But yes, tell us more about how much you care about the struggle of the Iranian people.


You have no clue what the word misleading even means do you.


Did you just pull a sleazy ad hominem to try and discredit my post? Stop being lazy.

Your reliance on tweets to sustain a discussion about Iran is indicative of how genuine your concern is for their people. Using Twitter to present a one-sided narrative of the protest, to vilify the Iranian government, is misleading.

Bringing up the oppression of women and wearing of the hijab with no mention of their religious beliefs and cultural background is shallow and misleading.

Painting a condescending picture of the United States wagging its finger at Iran, without discussing the history of America's meddling in that region, is misleading.

While we're at it, the other post showing old magazine covers to depict photogenic lifestyles of models in Iran before the Islamic Revolution - as though showing bare skin and wearing a lot of makeup is what constitutes freedom - is also misleading. May as well post up covers of the Cosmopolitan magazine as being an accurate representation of American society.

If you're going to hold a discussion about a serious topic at least put in some damn effort. Otherwise people will think you're just another public relations cog trying to simplify and sensationalize a complex issue to sell the public on another war/military intervention. This, after the astounding success of attempts to export freedom to places such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen.

You sure made a great first impression, though. So much so that there is no longer any reason to hold a discussion with you in the foreseeable future. Farewell.
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hunkydory1029 wrote:


Rujikin wrote:


hunkydory1029 wrote:

While it's nice of you to care about Iran at this particular point in history, you are misleading readers by making no mention that the theocracy in Iran and its autocratic system of government is a direct result of a coup d'etat instigated by the United States and the United Kingdom to overthrow Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister back in 1953, also known as Operation AJAX. The claim that the Iranian protests are not being covered by the media is laughable; rather, facts about the coup is what's missing from the narrative most of all.

Operation AJAX is well-documented and includes information from declassified CIA documents.

And let it be known this is neither the first nor the last instance of clandestine foreign intervention by the United States. The US called for an emergency United Nations Security Council meeting today to discuss Iran, which is rich considering their close ally, Saudi Arabia, continues to exacerbate the humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen through their continued military intervention, supported by - you guessed it - the United States and the United Kingdom in the form of weapon sales and logistical support.

But yes, tell us more about how much you care about the struggle of the Iranian people.


You have no clue what the word misleading even means do you.


Did you just pull a sleazy ad hominem to try and discredit my post? Stop being lazy.

Your reliance on tweets to sustain a discussion about Iran is indicative of how genuine your concern is for their people. Using Twitter to present a one-sided narrative of the protest, to vilify the Iranian government, is misleading.

Bringing up the oppression of women and wearing of the hijab with no mention of their religious beliefs and cultural background is shallow and misleading.

Painting a condescending picture of the United States wagging its finger at Iran, without discussing the history of America's meddling in that region, is misleading.

While we're at it, the other post showing old magazine covers to depict photogenic lifestyles of models in Iran before the Islamic Revolution - as though showing bare skin and wearing a lot of makeup is what constitutes freedom - is also misleading. May as well post up covers of the Cosmopolitan magazine as being an accurate representation of American society.

If you're going to hold a discussion about a serious topic at least put in some damn effort. Otherwise people will think you're just another public relations cog trying to simplify and sensationalize a complex issue to sell the public on another war/military intervention. This, after the astounding success of attempts to export freedom to places such as Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen.

You sure made a great first impression, though. So much so that there is no longer any reason to hold a discussion with you in the foreseeable future. Farewell.


If your culture is to oppress and treat women as inferior than fuck your culture. It needs a new culture.

This isn't a history lesson about Iran this is a topic about what is happening in Iran right now. If you want to find more about that pull out a history book or go to wikipedia.

Even outside of the magazine it was normal to see women in Jeans and without hijabs before the Islamic Revolution.
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This week's award in fake news goes to "Scientific" American for trying to blame the Iranian protests on climate change: http://archive.is/ruQiu

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This week's award in fake news goes to "Scientific" American for trying to blame the Iranian protests on climate change: http://archive.is/ruQiu


Can you elaborate on why you think this is fake news? I don't think it is news at all, maybe a hypothesis, how can it be fake news then?
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