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Yes, I am really 16. However, I’m not smart. I’m just educated. I actually study something before I spew off. I also pray to God to help me present my arguments and to give me the gift of eloquence most of the time. (Like before this thread.) He typically says yes. That’s my belief, and I’ll probably bee flamed for it, but I believe that I look smart because God is using me. Who knows, I’m not trying to jam my religion down peoples throats, and that’s not what this thread is about. So maybe I’m just naturally eloquent. I don’t believe so though. Call it divine intervention or psychology, but whenever I pray for something I do better in it.


True, I agree with you there. Ask for God's help, and he'll give it to you. it's funny how scientists deny the great flood ever happened.for example they even found seashells that were on the summit of huge mountains.


I sure hell hope that was sarcastic. There can be many reasons why there are seashells on mountains. Land forms, volcanos, or any other geological change can do that. And as for the flood. Scientists believe that there was a flood, but not on the grand scale of Noah's.

I ask to god to give me a pony. Where the fuck is my pony.
Posted 7/15/07

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I ask to god to give me a pony. Where the fuck is my pony.



Ill look for you one chillax

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happyxix wrote:


keelo wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:

Yes, I am really 16. However, I’m not smart. I’m just educated. I actually study something before I spew off. I also pray to God to help me present my arguments and to give me the gift of eloquence most of the time. (Like before this thread.) He typically says yes. That’s my belief, and I’ll probably bee flamed for it, but I believe that I look smart because God is using me. Who knows, I’m not trying to jam my religion down peoples throats, and that’s not what this thread is about. So maybe I’m just naturally eloquent. I don’t believe so though. Call it divine intervention or psychology, but whenever I pray for something I do better in it.


True, I agree with you there. Ask for God's help, and he'll give it to you. it's funny how scientists deny the great flood ever happened.for example they even found seashells that were on the summit of huge mountains.


I sure hell hope that was sarcastic. There can be many reasons why there are seashells on mountains. Land forms, volcanos, or any other geological change can do that. And as for the flood. Scientists believe that there was a flood, but not on the grand scale of Noah's.

I ask to god to give me a pony. Where the fuck is my pony.



Try and study something before you mock it my friend. Prayer only works if your sincere, truly believe, and God says yes. Obviously you’re testing, mocking, and even nixing him. Why would he give you anything? Besides, it’s like they pointed out on Futeramma, “If you do things right nobody will be sure you did anything at all!” :P, Cartoons are great sources of knowledge!

Also, please try not to be so insulting. This is a touchy topic. You’re just going to get people flaming.
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Yea I kinda exploded there. That was my fault. Apologizes there.

(I meant to editted that out as soon as I posted but my internet choose to die at wrong times.)

And kyocool. I expect one on my front porch next tuesday.

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Posted 7/15/07

happyxix wrote:


keelo wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:

Yes, I am really 16. However, I’m not smart. I’m just educated. I actually study something before I spew off. I also pray to God to help me present my arguments and to give me the gift of eloquence most of the time. (Like before this thread.) He typically says yes. That’s my belief, and I’ll probably bee flamed for it, but I believe that I look smart because God is using me. Who knows, I’m not trying to jam my religion down peoples throats, and that’s not what this thread is about. So maybe I’m just naturally eloquent. I don’t believe so though. Call it divine intervention or psychology, but whenever I pray for something I do better in it.


True, I agree with you there. Ask for God's help, and he'll give it to you. it's funny how scientists deny the great flood ever happened.for example they even found seashells that were on the summit of huge mountains.


I sure hell hope that was sarcastic. There can be many reasons why there are seashells on mountains. Land forms, volcanoes, or any other geological change can do that. And as for the flood. Scientists believe that there was a flood, but not on the grand scale of Noah's.

I ask to god to give me a pony. Where the fuck is my pony.


God helps you more on the mental, and spiritual aspects of life, and sometimes the physical just because you ask for a pony doesn't mean you'll get it. God does whatever he wishes. back to. the flood. when something is put under an extreme amount of pressure it can change in certain ways. plus when something is covered in water for a set period of time it will rot, decay, and eventually break apart. link this with earthquakes and volcanoes, and even continents can separate.
Posted 7/15/07

happyxix wrote:

Yea I kinda exploded there. That was my fault. Apologizes there.

(I meant to editted that out as soon as I posted but my internet choose to die at wrong times.)

And kyocool. I expect one on my front porch next tuesday.



So it shall be written....so it shall be done

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happyxix wrote:

Yea I kinda exploded there. That was my fault. Apologizes there. And kyocool. I expect one on my front porch next tuesday.


Don't sweat it. I don't know what offended you, but if I judge you for that then I'm an turbo hypocrite. *Points out his posts in the Sexism thread.*
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Futeramma, “If you do things right nobody will be sure you did anything at all!” :P, Cartoons are great sources of knowledge!


Futeramma? Futurama. Episode 10, Season 4. Don't ask why I know this. T_T
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I know this sounds stupid but what do you mean by "Flaws Behind Phsyics"
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You don't look for it. If finds you. The meaning of life can and will be shown to you in due time.


This is the kind of horse shit that pisses me off. I'm not even going to dignify this schlock with a response.


Lookif I really do have to give you an explanation, its going to take some major ass wooping but I don't have to take out a beating stick to make you understand do I? Look, Your the one who says that you've looked up stuff and you cant find anything that will change your mind so ,ok we got the picture. I give you a simple response to your comment and you give me this ****** Sorry for giving you easy advise. Are you going to charge money for responses so that I have to justify your life with a long ass answer. ( People who create sh*** get sh***)
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azrael910 wrote:


djzabou wrote:


You don't look for it. If finds you. The meaning of life can and will be shown to you in due time.


This is the kind of horse shit that pisses me off. I'm not even going to dignify this schlock with a response.


Lookif I really do have to give you an explanation, its going to take some major ass wooping but I don't have to take out a beating stick to make you understand do I? Look, Your the one who says that you've looked up stuff and you cant find anything that will change your mind so ,ok we got the picture. I give you a simple response to your comment and you give me this ****** Sorry for giving you easy advise. Are you going to charge money for responses so that I have to justify your life with a long ass answer. ( People who create sh*** get sh***)

You gave him a fortune-cookie answer when he actually had a laid-out response. That's insulting of course.
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I normally never get this upset but I can't handle people who create **** an say it to other people. It perplexes me as to why you would want to piss off someone who gives you a little answer.
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No, that’s not what I am saying. You’re completely misunderstanding me. What I am saying is that there –is- a logical answer but that there is only one logical answer and that is something divine or supper-natural. In this case probably the former, but possibly the latter.


The supernatural is not a logical answer. I don't think it's an impossible answer, however I don't find it remotely logical since nothing has ever been definitively proven to be supernatural.


Actually in the minds of most individuals science is a perfect thing. It is this way because that’s how scientists treat it, because it does pretend to be perfect. Sure it’s not set in stone. It changes and evolves. But as it does so it proclaims things as fact. Take Darwinism, for example. (This is getting redundant, I know.) Darwinism was called fact in its time, just as religion is called fact. However the details of it have slowly been modified and changed so that the theory does not reflects its original self perfectly.


Explain to me how the core religion has been modified or changed. everything is subject to interpretation, and people practice it differently, but i don't recall any heavy editing to the core belief structure in quite a while.


Also, you’re stereotyping all religion. There are plenty of religions that don’t proclaim themselves entire. I have a friend who is a Witch and worships spirits. She says these spirits tell her she can worship whatever God she likes too. Buddhism is a better example. They believe in reincarnation but can also believe in God. Scientology, which is more of a cult then a religion to me, is also compatible with other religions.


Fair enough, I should have specified mainstream western religion. Eastern religion is a completely different ball of wax. I think there are logical flaws in religions like that, but their claims aren't quite so absolute.

For the record, I was wiccan for two years in my younger stupider days and that's really not a subject you want to get me started on. I can think of few religions more riddled with holes than that mess. More of one giant LARP to be honest.


What you’re neglecting is the fact that the word creation has many meanings. It can mean the combination of already existing components to make something new, or on the flip side it can be the placement of existence where every fiber from matter to energy to time (which is in a form of energy, technically) was spawned.


Well that just seems like semantics to me, which is certainly open to interpretation. Are you arguing that the big bang and other scientific theories were those used in religious descriptions of creation? That certainly sounds perfectly reasonable to me - certainly more reasonable than *poof* god magick!!


With all this in note I’m not arguing religion against science. There is already a thread for that. I am simply pointing out the flaws of science and that science is not perfect as many people believe because of the bullyragging of religious individuals by scientists and antireligious characters.


Fair enough. I think there are plenty of misconceptions on both sides of the fence.


As far as my personal experiences you don’t need to put any value in them. They’re personal so I don’t feel in anyway obliged to share them. Cast them aside, I don’t care. Believe I’m lying, I know the truth. But whatever the case they are –irrelevant-. I don’t have any sources for them, I don’t need them. I’m not here trying to convert anyone right now. I only try things like that on people who are willing and want to be converted. Otherwise it’s just shoving your religious beliefs down other peoples throats which is counter productive anyway.


The thing is you reference them as hard data. You can't do that unless you're prepared to provide support for your claims. When you reference supernatural occurrences as proof for anything, I'm going to call you on it.


Still, I would like people to realize that just because you can point out ‘flaws’ to a religion doesn’t mean its not true.


Quite the contrary. Religion makes the absolute claim of being infallible. Therefore, it is incapable of fault. So proving it's fallibility is part of proving it false. So if fault can be found, the whole house of cards come tumbling down. I don't think it is a claim that should be swept under the rug.


Because you can do the same thing to science and even math. That electron thing was only an example. There are countless other contradictions in science of itself and of math. Math is, however, supposed to be perfect. (In a way I suppose it is.) So science is not an omniscient entity after-all.


Science isn't intended to be masqueraded as such. I'll grant you there are people who do, but in an ideal world it shouldn't be. Religion and science aren't the same things, and can't be viewed the same way.

Whether you believe in gravity or not doesn't make any difference as to whether or not your going to fall if you jump of a cliff, no matter how hard you believe you're going to fly. I guess you could argue that just because it occurs doesn't mean the theory is correct (it could be something else entirely resulting in the same effect), but the predicted result is occurring just as expected.

Whether you believe in christianity or not may make a difference when you die as to whether you go to heaven or hell. We can't really test that. We can't even test whether there is heaven and hell or not.

I guess everything requires a certain amount of faith, but the extent of faith required is what separates them. I have faith in science because it is something thoroughly tested and researched. So I can accept the possibility of errors, especially since science will reevaluate itself if contradicting evidence is discovered. Religion requires an extreme leap of faith that can't be tested or researched, thats something I can't accept.
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SeraphAlford wrote:


happyxix wrote:


keelo wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:

Yes, I am really 16. However, I’m not smart. I’m just educated. I actually study something before I spew off. I also pray to God to help me present my arguments and to give me the gift of eloquence most of the time. (Like before this thread.) He typically says yes. That’s my belief, and I’ll probably bee flamed for it, but I believe that I look smart because God is using me. Who knows, I’m not trying to jam my religion down peoples throats, and that’s not what this thread is about. So maybe I’m just naturally eloquent. I don’t believe so though. Call it divine intervention or psychology, but whenever I pray for something I do better in it.


True, I agree with you there. Ask for God's help, and he'll give it to you. it's funny how scientists deny the great flood ever happened.for example they even found seashells that were on the summit of huge mountains.


I sure hell hope that was sarcastic. There can be many reasons why there are seashells on mountains. Land forms, volcanos, or any other geological change can do that. And as for the flood. Scientists believe that there was a flood, but not on the grand scale of Noah's.

I ask to god to give me a pony. Where the fuck is my pony.



Try and study something before you mock it my friend. Prayer only works if your sincere, truly believe, and God says yes. Obviously you’re testing, mocking, and even nixing him. Why would he give you anything? Besides, it’s like they pointed out on Futeramma, “If you do things right nobody will be sure you did anything at all!” :P, Cartoons are great sources of knowledge!

Also, please try not to be so insulting. This is a touchy topic. You’re just going to get people flaming.


yeah, cartoons are a great source of knowledge. Trigun is full of knowledge, and it's a great show.
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entityrj wrote:


djzabou wrote:


azrael910 wrote:


djzabou wrote:


You don't look for it. If finds you. The meaning of life can and will be shown to you in due time.


This is the kind of horse shit that pisses me off. I'm not even going to dignify this schlock with a response.


Lookif I really do have to give you an explanation, its going to take some major ass wooping but I don't have to take out a beating stick to make you understand do I? Look, Your the one who says that you've looked up stuff and you cant find anything that will change your mind so ,ok we got the picture. I give you a simple response to your comment and you give me this ****** Sorry for giving you easy advise. Are you going to charge money for responses so that I have to justify your life with a long ass answer. ( People who create sh*** get sh***)

You gave him a fortune-cookie answer when he actually had a laid-out response. That's insulting of course.


Yeah that's pretty much it right there. There was no content there, none. I could have received better advice in my horoscope for the day. Don't take the time to respond unless you have something to say. I may not agree with Seraph, but he does do his best to explain his view. (which is why I take the time to respond).

EDIT: I wish Mauz still posted... he was always a joy in threads like this... DAMN YOU MOD STATUS! why do you make all the cool people go away!!!
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