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no but a god isn’t necessarily a creator, many god in many religions have no part in the creation of the universe yet they are still considered gods, in fact I believe the more important role of a god is to explain, not to create. therefore science is a very good religion. besides the basic idea behind science is to create/change matter.
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^um *cough* what are you talking about in science reference.... Now that I think about it .... First off we cant conduct a discussion if we don't make reference to the intended religion.... First off science different fields revolve around all the concepts that god does.... 2nd wtf physics is studying the universe... Inevitably finding the laws of the universe.
Mods can you nuke this damn thread or edit it
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see... now you are arguing on the very meaning of your words....


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^excuse me but i`m not contradicting my statement. If you need to be pwned open on up... Because I stated that physics studies the universe..... So we should be stating the flaws of that... Not bland statements to all of the science community... I also stated that this thread should be locked due to most people being off topic.... Or the title should be edited.... Because obviously people dont read to well..... If your gonna make reference to God state what f*kin religion...
If your unaware their is already a Science vs. Religion so if the religious post continue this thread should be locked...
Posted 7/17/07

whatsome wrote:


kyocool wrote:

I can walk on water...someone explain THAT!

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Are you David Blaine's apprentice or Chris Angel's apprentice? Which one is better than the other?



David Blaine Street Magic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrTvNzGCZE
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In truth..they are infact ...mine!



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Posted 7/17/07

kyocool wrote:


whatsome wrote:


kyocool wrote:

I can walk on water...someone explain THAT!

Trevor (OP)


Are you David Blaine's apprentice or Chris Angel's apprentice? Which one is better than the other?



David Blaine Street Magic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrTvNzGCZE
(comment: "CHEEZ ITS CHEEZ ITZ CHEEZ ITZ!" hahaha XD)


In truth..they are infact ...mine!



Trevor (OP)

Holy shit that vid was funny as hell..... Cheeze it - Cheeze it .... I was definitely rolling after that....
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I'd like to get in on this topic. As it's been said previously, science can be considered a religion as Scientology, since it is based on beliefs. I think that is fair enough, since physics, for example, is the development and formation of concepts that may not yet be proven. Just like how many religious occurences aren't proven.

Seraphalford mentioned something about "scientific evidence that miraculous things that cannot be explained by science having happened." Even though he did not specify anything, I suppose I'll take his word for it. That being said, lack of evidence doesn't necessarily mean proof of absence. Our understanding of science isn't perfect yet; as the thread indicates, it is flawed. I don't think physics is flawed, just our knowledge of it. Any flaws in physics will very likely be fixed in the future. About these "miraculous things" that some of us "ignore"... would you be kind enough to elaborate on it? By all means, enlighten us.
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Some things cant be proven becuz we cant detect it with our current means, these theories r there to guide researchers to gain a better understanding... its not flawed but it needs more observations to tweak it to perfection... u know gravity and radiation exist even though u cant see it... if u dont believe me jump into the air what happens u fall back down, and for radiation hold a lump of uranium u will be dead before the day ends... (if u try that last one u r dumber than a rock ^ ^
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Heres the flaw of Physics. Its not complete. An unfinished book if you will.

Heres a crude example. If the world are Harry Potter books, the first 6 are proven science and the 7th book is religion. Because we don't know whats going to happen and all we can do is guess and speculate.

And Scientology is a piece of crap. Don't even relate that with real science.
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^^^Ok here’s one for you both waves and particles can be stopped by a barrier, if you have a hole in this barrier particles will go strait through in a linear trajectory a wave going through a hole will react much differently it will diffract and exit the hole in a 180 degree spreading semicircle (exactly like one half of a drop of water creating circular ripples in a pond).

Now the thing about waves is they have crests and troughs in a sine wave form think of a bigger version of the tilde key (~) this form repeats it self like so (~~~~~~~~~)
(direction of wave: ------>)
making the classic wave shape now from a point source (or a diffracted wave) the waves form rays starting at the source and radiating outward

Waves also interfere constructively and destructively when they are overtop one anther, interference means that the waves heights are added together so if two crests are together they go really high two troughs go really low and a crest and trough cancel each other out when they create a really high or really low wave point that’s constructive interference when they cancel out that’s destructive interference.

So if two point sources are put side by side the waves will interfere constructively and destructively creating what are called nodal and anti nodal lines, this is the essence of the double slit experiment for a better explanation go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

Particles through a double slit create two vertical lines that match the slit, waves though a double slit interfere and create a horizontal line of darker and lighter spots.

Now my point though all of this is that this was done with electrons, two times, one where the experiment was being observed in progress and anther where it wasn't. in the first electrons were found to be particles in the second they were found to be waves that is something miraculous.
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that is something miraculous.


No, just because it is something hard to grasp does not mean is miraculous.
Posted 7/17/07
Yes not being able to understand something doesnt make it miraculous...i dont know why a parent would ever kill their child..but that certainly doesnt make that event..."miraculous"

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iron_club_oni wrote:

^^^Ok here’s one for you both waves and particles can be stopped by a barrier, if you have a hole in this barrier particles will go strait through in a linear trajectory a wave going through a hole will react much differently it will diffract and exit the hole in a 180 degree spreading semicircle (exactly like one half of a drop of water creating circular ripples in a pond).

Now the thing about waves is they have crests and troughs in a sine wave form think of a bigger version of the tilde key (~) this form repeats it self like so (~~~~~~~~~)
(direction of wave: ------>)
making the classic wave shape now from a point source (or a diffracted wave) the waves form rays starting at the source and radiating outward

Waves also interfere constructively and destructively when they are overtop one anther, interference means that the waves heights are added together so if two crests are together they go really high two troughs go really low and a crest and trough cancel each other out when they create a really high or really low wave point that’s constructive interference when they cancel out that’s destructive interference.

So if two point sources are put side by side the waves will interfere constructively and destructively creating what are called nodal and anti nodal lines, this is the essence of the double slit experiment for a better explanation go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

Particles through a double slit create two vertical lines that match the slit, waves though a double slit interfere and create a horizontal line of darker and lighter spots.

Now my point though all of this is that this was done with electrons, two times, one where the experiment was being observed in progress and anther where it wasn't. in the first electrons were found to be particles in the second they were found to be waves that is something miraculous.


The weren't found to be anything. They still are electrons but due to those experiments we know a little better on how they act. And no its not a miracle, its just a new discovery.
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look this experiment proves that:
1) electrons are both particles and waves wich should be beyond imposible
2) someone obseving an experiment will have a direct efect on its results

I call that miraculos because it shows the universe as somthing that could not exist just from pure chance.
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wich should be beyond imposible


According to who/what?
Our limited "common sense" and experiences?

If anything, labeling something as miraculous just because one hits an intellectual wall be it because our cognitive framework is not "used to" something like say a particle/wave existence or because we are not able to comprehend it yet because there is not enough data or whatever seems to me like an "easy way" to try to deal with the problem.

Let's face it, both the macro and micro world are very different from the one we live on. Let's not start naming miracles just because we are having a hard time understanding those two.

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