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Serial Experiments Lain. A lot of people don't seem to understand.




I bought Lain when it came out, and I pored over that thing from all angles for its philosophical angles.

It's DENSE...

I think that's the only one I watched over and over and over to try and extrapolate stuff from. Evangelion was a lot of showy allusions to christianity and religion, and a lot of other shows had references (like Ergo Proxy, which when that came out people were acting like it was one of the most philosophical shows ever due to the reference...) but Lain... It's been ages since I've seen it but a lot of issues with identity, cosmology, the mind/body problem...

Back then it was the best anime I ever saw... I don't know if I can claim that still, but it's definitely one of the more philosophical ones..
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Which Chinese cartoon made your noggin whirl round and round the most?


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PandaSamaBoi wrote:
Which Chinese cartoon made your noggin whirl round and round the most?




Didn’t you know anime are just CHINESE cartoons?

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Gurren Lagann. Well, maybe it didn't make me think the most, but it did start me thinking in the first place. That it ends up on the side of religious existentialism fascinates me.


I saw this thread again, and I see it already made me think what just occurred to me to say. Except now that I've learned some Rorty and Kojève, I'm sure that Gurren Lagann made me think the most out of all the anime I've seen. Because now I'm confident that, though it says humanity can accomplish the unimaginable, it doesn't say we can do anything, or that we can make ourselves into whatever we want (even if Simon does say he "creates the heavens"). It's the anti-spiral that thinks it can do anything - as long as it ignores what it truly is: a being with spiral power. Humans have a special identity and mission they can't run away from; they don't shun the dizziness of freedom. And in the end, by no means is humanity assured by facts or reason that it'll succeed in that mission; indeed, reason has opposed them from the very beginning. Instead, they have faith - not in their abilities, but in their nature.

EDIT: And it literally starts with the allegory of the cave.
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I remember liking Gurren Lagann when I saw it, although my attitude toward the show's message has changed. I think I am now temperamentally an Anti-Spiral. It seems important to understand our faults and limitations before we can hear our destiny. It used to be I did not believe in something so implausible and fantastic as a human destiny. Now, I find joy in believing sometimes in implausible metaphysical possibilities such as the dharma-body of the Buddha or the future enlightenment of all sentient beings. The timescales are so long that one can think almost anything might happen, given enough time. How many lives have we lived, or will lead? How many heartbreaks, how many ecstasies, how many desires fulfilled or denied? Just considering it is enough to see magic in the everyday.

In contrast, I find it more difficult to see the progress of human beings towards some ultimate freedom, a la Hegel. I've never heard of Kojeve, and know Rorty by reputation only. I haven't read the Republic, although it has been so influential that I am familiar with its various claims. How is the allegory of the cave relevant here? From what I recall, the allegory of the cave discusses the form of truth as contrasted between that perceived everyday and that perceived by the philosopher, and hence mirrors the Platonic distinction between doxa and episteme, respectively.

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InuYasha and Neon Genesis Evangelion were the only 2 that ever made me think. InuYasha the most though...
Neon Genesis Evangelion's meaning was too disconnected from the events in its plot and setting though.
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Neon Genesis Evangelion only because I was so bored that my mind drifted off and started thinking about other things
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Neon Genesis Evangelion only because I was so bored that my mind drifted off and started thinking about other things


thats amusing
Let me guess, you could not stand the endless angel attacks could you?
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SirBacon24 wrote:

Neon Genesis Evangelion only because I was so bored that my mind drifted off and started thinking about other things


thats amusing
Let me guess, you could not stand the endless angel attacks could you?


I didn't even get that far into it I only watched six episodes, and I just wasn't interested in the slightest in the story or the characters. I do plan on actually watching the whole thing eventually, it's a classic after all, but it's not high on my list of priorities.
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Cat Soup
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Angel's Egg
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Serial Experiment Lain
Boogie Pop Phantom
Shinsekai yori


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I don't consider the reading I gave above definitive; there's enough there that one can easily watch Gurren Lagann and see naive, reckless people thinking they can indeed do anything they put their minds to. I have to agree with the Anti-Spiral when it yells,"You possess neither will, nor resolve, nor reason!" - especially after Simon proclaims that he "creates the heavens." More generally, I don't agree with Gainax/Trigger's contempt for authority. I'd probably conclude that Gurren Lagann doesn't engage these issues coherently. I'm really just happy that I have a stronger formulation of the religious existentialist reading of Gurren Lagann now that I know about Rorty's "forgetting about eternity."

It's probably not too difficult to give a deeper connection to the allegory of the cave, but more broadly, it's hard not to see it when the first episode literally has them burst out of an underground world to see a beautiful sun and landscape - that everyone underground doubted existed.
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Literal cave: got it.

Concerning Rorty, besides reading an internet conspectus of his thought with regards to Hegel, I'll have to take your word for it. I know Hegel was once referred to by a contemporary as "the Protestant Aquinas" in the way he demythologized salvation and Christian community.
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SirBacon24 wrote:


Koji_Protolight wrote:


SirBacon24 wrote:

Neon Genesis Evangelion only because I was so bored that my mind drifted off and started thinking about other things


thats amusing
Let me guess, you could not stand the endless angel attacks could you?


I didn't even get that far into it I only watched six episodes, and I just wasn't interested in the slightest in the story or the characters. I do plan on actually watching the whole thing eventually, it's a classic after all, but it's not high on my list of priorities.


My guy, the first 6 episodes are to get you acclimated to the show's characters, and make you feel nice and cozy.

Then Asuka shows up in the next episode or so, and all that familiarity you just had goes out the window.

And then the second half of the show is where all of its infamy and clout comes from lol.
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PhantomGundam wrote:

Serial Experiments Lain. A lot of people don't seem to understand.




I bought Lain when it came out, and I pored over that thing from all angles for its philosophical angles.

It's DENSE...

I think that's the only one I watched over and over and over to try and extrapolate stuff from. Evangelion was a lot of showy allusions to christianity and religion, and a lot of other shows had references (like Ergo Proxy, which when that came out people were acting like it was one of the most philosophical shows ever due to the reference...) but Lain... It's been ages since I've seen it but a lot of issues with identity, cosmology, the mind/body problem...

Back then it was the best anime I ever saw... I don't know if I can claim that still, but it's definitely one of the more philosophical ones..


The religious shit in Eva can be taken seriously, or not. People like to take Anno's words about "the symbolism being put in to make everything look exotic" at face value. When in reality, it's some very cool, and clever symbolism, at least to me. C'mon my dude, you're double my age I know you've read some Hegel, Sartre, Kierkegaard, or something. Eva is chock full of existentialist questions, and presents the idea of coming to terms with your existence and accepting life is rife with pain (and all the other shit it talks about) beautifully.

Now Lain... God I love Lain. I love how it presents the information for us to pick up on, but then the other half of me thinks "jesus christ is this an asinine way to give us the bits of info we need to understand everything." I think if you went back and watched it you'd love it just as much. RIP Ryutarou Nakamura, and let's hope we can get Despera one day lol.

Ergo Proxy is pure meme fuel for my friends and I. "Raison Detre" being repeated over and over again is fucking hilarious. The show IS pretentious, and it could have been a helluva lot better with MAJOR plot changes
but I still love it. And it put me onto Radiohead, which is now my favorite band on Earth.
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Not an anime, but the Steins;Gate Visual Novel.
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