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This is one of the reasons why healthcare cost is so expensive. Going to the ER because of the flu ? I guess they don't have to pay $500 co-pay for ER with their insurance plan, which is why they will not hesitate with going to the ER every single time......

The least you can do is go to an Urgent Care or Minute clinic or your doctor or call the nurse line ?

Emergency rooms starting to crowd with flu outbreak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcA2z4QOmgY

How to Tell Whether It's a Cold or the Flu
https://www.consumerreports.org/medical-symptoms/how-to-tell-whether-its-a-cold-or-the-flu/




*update*

https://www.consumerreports.org/medical-symptoms/treating-a-cold-or-the-flu-day-by-day-guide/
https://www.consumerreports.org/drugs/how-to-soothe-miserable-cold-and-flu-symptoms/
https://www.consumerreports.org/dietary-supplements/truth-about-cold-and-flu-supplements/

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There are people who will actually go to ER because they think they've got the flu? The notion seems odd to me, is this an American phenomenon?

Around here people usually just see their general practitioner during normal visiting hours or on a normal appointment - and mostly just because they need to be on sick leave - unless they have really high fever or other serious symptoms that need to be dealt with immediately.
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Isn't it easier to just schedule an appointment with your regular doctor instead of going to the ER?
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Shipwright wrote:

Isn't it easier to just schedule an appointment with your regular doctor instead of going to the ER?


That's what I was thinking. Unless they don't have a regular doctor.
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I love how they put DEATH in like its the end of the world

Oh doctor I feel a little sluggish today, am i going to die?

Oh well.

Thank God I Don't need to go to the hospital, and I never want to see one again. People looking after your weak and incapacitated self. I really hate that.

The least you can do is go tell someone to pick you up something to keep you at least comfortable with your situation. You're sick, ok next question.... Do you live in a shelter and or home? Are you currently able to provide the necessary care for yourself. Was the last place you called home a cardboard box?

you know, things like that.
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mfritsch wrote:

There are people who will actually go to ER because they think they've got the flu? The notion seems odd to me, is this an American phenomenon?

Around here people usually just see their general practitioner during normal visiting hours or on a normal appointment - and mostly just because they need to be on sick leave - unless they have really high fever or other serious symptoms that need to be dealt with immediately.


They will often ask for antibiotic for the flu


I work for companies that will provide customer service/support along with interpretation service for various doctor offices, tech offices, courts and insurance companies, There is a reason why they created the 24hr nurse line and encourage people to call first before heading to the ER. There are people who are regulars at their local ER especially elderly people with no family member living nearby.

out of medication ? call 911 -> ER

having a fever? call 911 -> ER

having a cough? call 911 --> ER

chest pain? (due to heartburn) -- call 911 -> ER

etc...

The insurance company assigned a "case worker" who will check on them every week! i guess It's cheaper than having them calling 911 and going to the ER for the simplest things This is what you get when you have someone else paying the bills--- excessive/unnecessary routine tests + visits to the doctor/hospital.
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I'm thankful my doctor has a care clinic which is opened 24 hours, it cuts down on some folks who want to rush to the ER for the sniffles. it isn't fun to put heath care workers through such stupidity. don't know the times I saw someone walk in with a headache they've had for months (long before healthcare was mandatory, mom used to work in the ER). so please, think before you torture these folks. trust me, it's an unspoken thing, but a lot of ER keep a "box" of people who come in often. some as drug seekers, attention seekers... are you in the "nut box"? when you feel yourself getting sick, just do what I do, take some extra vit c (since you can't truly overdose on this unless you're up to 10,000 units a day, then don't do that, 1 or 2k is fine). if you start to develop symptoms (look at the table from the OP) and simply go on that. taking antibiotics for everything is why super bugs are so dominating at the moment, whereas us folks down here who don't take such things, we fight off the illness much faster in more traditional methods.

finally, you're taking something for sickness (dayquil), you're still infectious so be cautious and be polite, don't spread your germs. and yes, if you ignore your illness there's a strong possibility it can turn into something far worse. if you can't shake it in two weeks try visiting a doctor not an ER. however, if you are brave about it, riding it out (not recommended) will result in immunity to things to come for awhile (if you have a strong/healthy immunity, know your body and so forth) self medication as well as no medication can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.
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The best part is when I take vitals on a patient and their temp is 98. Their response: “oh my gosh, I have a fever. My temperature runs low so I know this is a fever. My regular temp is around 97.” Which I have to explain regular temp is 98.6, we don’t consider a fever until it reaches 100.4, you are fine.
Also a lot of people do not understand the difference with bacterial infections and viruses. They expect to be given antibiotics whenever they are sick. Sometimes all you need is just plenty of rest and some good old soup!

But people do need to figure out whether it’s something that needs to be taken care of; or just something that needs to run its course. Unless you are on some government aid insurance: then you wouldn’t have to worry about all those bills and visit the doctor 24/7.
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I can't imagine going to the doctor over a cold or flu, let alone the ER. But then again, I almost never get sick (once in the last 15 years, probably no more than 5 in my lifetime). The last time I got sick, I was over it in about 3 days, for a flu that was putting others out of commission for at least a week.


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chest pain? (due to heartburn) -- call 911 -> ER



That is one of the few things I would go and have gone to the ER for. Turned out I had shingles. Chest pain is not something to mess with.
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It has similar symptoms to meningitis and strep c, better to be safe than sorry.
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This is one of the reasons why healthcare cost is so expensive. Going to the ER because of the flu ? I guess they don't have to pay $500 co-pay for ER with their insurance plan, which is why they will not hesitate with going to the ER every single time......

The least you can do is go to an Urgent Care or Minute clinic or your doctor or call the nurse line ?


My health insurance company actually gives me two free Urgent Care visits, two free doctor's visits (specialist without a referral is included), and two free "virtual visits" (where you contact them through the app and they connect you to a doctor and/or registered nurse to speak with).
Now you may wonder why they give you this many visits... but your thread kind of explains that.
More people are quick to jump to the ER for minor things these days than to simply go to the doctor/urgent care.
ER costs health insurance companies far, far more than an Urgent Care visit or a doctor visit.
Not requiring a referral allows for you to go to any type of doctor you think you need to take care of the problem.

In their handbook, they always suggest to contact their virtual services first, then go to the urgent care (if urgent) or doctor (if not urgent), THEN go to the ER if the problem persists.
I tend to go to the virtual services when I really feel like crap (had pneumonia a few months back, they prescribed antibiotics and some medicine for me - ready to pick up at Walgreens in 30 minutes).
The others are for serious issues.
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This is kind of ironic a family member came back with the flu after visiting a family member with the flu.. I got right after i trimmed the tree in front of the house.. The hard labor in cold weather weaken my immune system or something?

I was in bed for 2 days i couldn't eat anything with strong odor. I'm not a picky eater but i just want to vomit at the smell of meat for some reason. I feel a lot better after 2 days in bed with plenty of sleep and now i'm starving...

these got me through the 2 worst days of the flu + plenty of water + orange and pom juice. I couldn't eat anything but blueberries and raspberries were easy to eat for me


https://www.consumerreports.org/medical-symptoms/treating-a-cold-or-the-flu-day-by-day-guide/
https://www.consumerreports.org/drugs/how-to-soothe-miserable-cold-and-flu-symptoms/




ishe5555 wrote:

I can't imagine going to the doctor over a cold or flu, let alone the ER. But then again, I almost never get sick (once in the last 15 years, probably no more than 5 in my lifetime). The last time I got sick, I was over it in about 3 days, for a flu that was putting others out of commission for at least a week.

That is one of the few things I would go and have gone to the ER for. Turned out I had shingles. Chest pain is not something to mess with.


I'm glad on the third day i can get out of bed and walk without leaning on something.

Chest pain is a serious symptom but the easy way to avoid unnecessary trip to the ER

1- ask them if it's painful when you press on it-- it's usually muscles You can get chest pain from overexerting yourself
2- ask them if they have esophagus/stomach comdition/ acid reflux/GURD

Of course, you are no doctor. You will take them to the ER if they still want to. I got a patient where the nurses/doctors at the local ER know by name. They will know exactly what he is there for. They will send me home with the exact same discharge instruction again like the last 5-6 times.

There's also the issue of loneliness with the elderly. Some of them call for medical service on a regular basis just so they can talk to someone
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Are you really surprised? When you have 2 options:

1) Pay less money and go to ER

2) May more money and go to GP

Simple economics will always favor #1

So with our current system the ER will always be overcrowded.

I personally say don't see the doctor unless you have a complication and save the most money. Either one of those options is a virus and doctors can't do shit against it. Stop driving while sick and go to sleep for the next few days.
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Eight deaths linked to flu in Pinal County
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj2s3zLx2ZQ

if you are one of those who are immuno-compromised, it's best to get vaccinated and extra care during the flu season. I like the idea of the chinese and japanese of using surgical mask when they are walking outside (often during the flu season)


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While I'm not in favor of doubling down on for-profit healthcare, the current system has huge gaps in service. To get any kind of care you need to schedule in advance with your doctor (assuming you have one), or visit prompt care, or the emergency room. It's extremely expensive, and you are probably not going to see a doctor anyway.

I've heard a lot of talk about beefing up pharmacies to act as basic clinics. It's probably not a bad idea, although it does further cement healthcare as a commodity instead of a basic right.
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