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Posted 1/17/18 , edited 1/17/18

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Not really. Creating racially slanted laws creates more resentment and exacerbates racism and makes it more overt... Or are you not living in a world where Trump is president following an election where leftists had pushed harder than ever before for such policies?

As for it being either/or, you're trying to push a false dichotomy here. I'm actually saying the best option isn't to leave racial policies in place, nor am I pushing for a reversal of roles as to which race is getting the benefits.

I'm saying that the government should be blind to race/sex/gender/age/etc.
Strike the rules that even make passing mention of these things from the laws and make it finally an amendment enforcing that policy cannot favor anyone. Justice is supposed to be blind after all.

No more laws defining rape as something that can only happen to women. No more favoritism for anyone in the court of law. No lighter or heavier sentences based on circumstances that do not pertain to the cases. No more weighted admissions. None of it.

And when it comes the economy the focus should be making raising the poorest and most disenfranchised, regardless of who or what they might be, to a level that anyone can find bearable.

There's fair and equal and those are often two different things. I favor fairness over equal parity.



No, laws protecting marginalized groups is not what breeds resentment or makes it more overt. Someone resenting that they have to offer Air B&B rooms at the same availability and rates to a black couple as a white one is not made racist by some rule or law, that resentment would have simply translated into the black couple being denied a room with the chance of accompanying expletives. Likewise a bunch of bro-dude college students giving a black kid a hard time for getting in with a minority scholarship would in all likelihood harassed the kid anyway for any number of other racial stereotypes that they thought they could get away with. The employer who resents a diversity hire has almost certainly been excluding minorities to begin with.

Racism is not caused by those who oppose it. It's breed in the hearts of those who seek to close themselves off from people who look or act differently than themselves. The Jim Crow laws that King fought against were not caused by liberals fighting against the rampant racism in the South, they were written because good men did nothing to call out bigotry for what it was and their children never learned the difference. You don't erase racism by turning a blind eye to race, and turning the government colorblind only leaves divides harder to bridge when the effects of institutionalized racism are still evident in the culture.

I sincerely hope that Dr. King had enough sense that if he looked at the modern day he would no see Trump and wonder why liberals elected him.
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serifsansserif wrote:
Fine. Companies. Nitpicky, but still.

What IS your expectations then? Obviously if you are trying to make a point about the ethnicity of the people who run these companies being primarily white, the fact still stands that you are taking a select minuscule portion of the population and making a point about it not being "equal" enough for you,

What are you looking for then? and why use such a strange minuscule selection of the population?



Nitpicky? There is a massive difference between talking about the make up of the Forbes richest individuals and the employee make up of Fortune 500 companies. Don't blame your mistake on me.

No, that is not an "obviously". That is you going off on a strawman tangent. What I have done is state two facts: First, that non-white people are systematically disadvantaged in America. Second, that the supposed issue of companies going too far in terms of diversity doesn't pan out when you look the make up of the companies and actual effectiveness of their "diversity" initiatives. Which a lot of the time are more about PR than about actually doing anything.

These were responses to points that SK raised. Not statements of intent nor some sort of imagined clarion call to forcibly "equalize" America as you seem to be going on about.

If you want to soapbox your personal views that's your right, but don't try to insert them in my mouth just so you have an opponent to rail against.





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runec wrote:

Nitpicky? There is a massive difference between talking about the make up of the Forbes richest individuals and the employee make up of Fortune 500 companies. Don't blame your mistake on me.

No, that is not an "obviously". That is you going off on a strawman tangent. What I have done is state two facts: First, that non-white people are systematically disadvantaged in America. Second, that the supposed issue of companies going too far in terms of diversity doesn't pan out when you look the make up of the companies and actual effectiveness of their "diversity" initiatives. Which a lot of the time are more about PR than about actually doing anything.

These were responses to points that SK raised. Not statements of intent nor some sort of imagined clarion call to forcibly "equalize" America as you seem to be going on about.

If you want to soapbox your personal views that's your right, but don't try to insert them in my mouth just so you have an opponent to rail against.




I may be once again, just misreading what you are saying. It sounds like your point is similar to mine. Apologies because I realize I am not paying enough attention to the forums when I post
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sundin13 wrote:


Humms wrote:


sundin13 wrote:


Humms wrote:

Blood is thicker than water

People saying others just don't seem to care

Hmmm did you look at your smart phone today? Did you use a computer? Did you ask Google what the weather is. Hmm wonder why nobody cares

I have a dream. Yeah so do so MR king! Did you ever think about that?


...what?



Settle down, I'm just joking

Yes MLK was a Good man, and black people are treated equal just like anyone else.

Was that a good enough answer without my piss poor excuse at a joke/ comedy


My issue wasn't with what you said, it was that I literally couldn't understand a single thing that you were trying to say.

That said, racism isn't quite dead yet.


Sorry it must be my broken English.


Communication, Racism.
A racist white man, not that hard to find in today's society. Why? That's just the game of life, it's in the history books right? That's knowledge, the knowledge of intolerance. People of different color can live together wow what a huge step for humanity, I'm so glad we never came to that realization 1000 years ago. I'm so proud that humanity is almost without racism, so let's continue to talk about it.


Life is shared among everyone, and justice is done onto those who deserve it. Regardless of color we all share a life side by side.

Why do people not get along? Why is there war? Why is the gas price $1.21 per litre? what did we do to deserve this!?


Racism? 2018 There's still a little bit of it, but don't you worry.... we're on it!

If you still can't understand me, please contact support my vocabulary is rather limited

Also, white people.... just think about that for a moment
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serifsansserif wrote:
I may be once again, just misreading what you are saying. It sounds like your point is similar to mine. Apologies because I realize I am not paying enough attention to the forums when I post


Fair enough. My points were directed at the argument SK was making. I wasn't trying to make any argument for what should be done to address the problem. Only that there was clearly a problem in the first place and it was a much larger problem than the idea that companies were somehow going "too far" in their diversity strategies. If they were going "too far" you would expect to see that reflected in the race and gender make up of their companies.

But most major companies in the US refuse to even publicly share that information. Only Silicon Valley really fully discloses the make up of their staff and salaries. As the tech industry is about the only one that shows much concern over diversity. But even the companies that make a lot of noise about diversity, such as Google, actually score poorly. Google for example gets decent enough marks for racial diversity but poor marks for gender diversity and the diversity of its tech and leadership positions. Despite that one moron's diversity manifesto memo.

So for most companies that leaves analyzing publicly available information such as management and CEO positions alongside surveying the employees directly with third party tools. Or studying the industry hiring practices and so on. By those measures its pretty clear there isn't much diversity to be had at most major US companies. Especially in the upper echelons of actual management.

As for how the hell to even begin to fix it? That's a different and far more difficult discussion. Its also not a problem that's going to be fixed by making any kind of major legal mandates. Which leaves it in kind of a catch 22 position. The cultures of these industries aren't going change without incorporating a broader range of views. But you can't just make laws to force them to adopt said views either. All you can really do is try to protect from the negative impacts of a corporate culture and try to encourage positive ones. While working from the bottom up.





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It will be the day when most of us don't have to work on Martin Luther King Day -- not just federal/state/city employees
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the awkward interview between cnn and MLK's nephew. CNN thought they could capitalize on this but eh.. didn't go as expected... It's amazing that they didn't cut him off like other guests on their channels there are a lot of technical difficulties happened when someone doesn't agree with them....

CNN’s Don Lemon: Don Lemon’s Interview With MLK’s Nephew Turns Into Complete Trainwreck Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufsQUwuqSM&pbjreload=10
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AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

the awkward interview between cnn and MLK's nephew.

CNN’s Don Lemon: Don Lemon’s Interview With MLK’s Nephew Turns Into Complete Trainwreck Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufsQUwuqSM&pbjreload=10


That was a funny interview. They didn't give him the script what exactly he should say ? You have to be CNN approved before going on the air to avoid mishaps
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