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President Trump has been criticized for his statements about immigrants from Haiti and some African countries and bring more people from countries like Norway.

Well, it sounds crude the way he put it. I don’t think he did serious thinking when he made the statement. Actually bringing more people from Norway and other countries like it is something he and other Republicans would not want to do.

I did some research on Norway to get an idea of what kind of place is it? This is what I found.

1. It has high taxes, higher than the US. At the same time has incomes higher the US. How do they do it? Republicans are under the tunnel vision belief that getting taxes as close as possible to 0% is the only way to increase income.

2. 37 hours a week is the full time work week. During the summer they clock off work at 3PM and during winter they clock off work at 4PM. People, thus, have more time to spend with family and friends. They don’t live to serve their employer.

3. Norway has a national health care system.

4. State Universities in Norway do charge tuition.

5. Norwegian government is encourage clean energy technology.

6. Norwegian government mandated minimum wages to be the same as union negotiated wages set by industry. This allows Norwegians to enjoy good job security, wages, and vacation time.

Norwegians like their social system. And they like their strict gun laws. When asked about Trumps statements they say they don’t want to come to America. They like their way of life.

There is poverty in Norway. The poor population is mostly among immigrants who are mostly nonwhite from Africa and Middle Eastern nations. However, at least Norwegians have a social conscious for each other in building their nation
As for Haiti and The African Countries Trump spoke of. They do not provide any of the above for their people. In fact their governments are corrupt and oppress their people. They also allow big business from other countries to take to minerals and oil resources nearly free. The government’s move people off tribal lands so foreign companies can dig and drill. If someone gets the courage to protest, the government sends soldiers to kill them. The governments don’t care about the citizens and the citizens aren’t taught to care about each other. Don’t get me started on how the men treat women.

Just think if you bring more people from Haiti and Africa they’ll bring their value system with them, which is actually more in line with Republican policies.

We are trying to make progress in America, trying to get more like the Norway System, minus the racism.

Actually Trump and the Republicans should all move to the S-hole countries where they’ll fit in perfectly because they have so much in common. Actually Haiti and Africa needs people from Norway to show them how to run a government and for a government to set up a system that provides for and protects its people.

What do you think?
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I think Norwegia is okay for Norwegians.
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I almost asked a legitimate question about overtime in Norway, but then I realized that this thread is likely intended to encourage pseudo-political shit-slinging and general confusion above all else.
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I almost asked a legitimate question about overtime in Norway, but then I realized that this thread is likely intended to encourage pseudo-political shit-slinging and general confusion above all else.


It may be another bait thread, but that's no reason not to say, "https://www.nho.no/en/Business-in-Norway/Basic-Labour-Law/." Specifically, "The employer is obliged to keep an account on hours actually worked by each employee. Overtime work has to be compensated: All employees, except leaders and staff in particularly independent posts, have the right to a supplement of at least 40% for overtime work." An example is the University of Oslo's policy ( http://www.uio.no/english/for-employees/employment/payments/overtime/ ), but there are apparently even more specific policies in place at other locations.
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and thus shi*thole comment stands firm. you don't see good countries beating down the door to get into America (or the most part), only the ones which hold such situations which classify them as hellholes (Lindsey Graham stated this). so, was it wrong, no, did he have a right to say it, yes. have other presidents used fowl language, yes. the white house will survive more fowl language, these things happen. just so happens this adventure there's someone in there who is taking transparency to a whole new level, oh wait the first president in awhile who is using transparency and meaning it.

immigrants always welcome, as long as they come in the legal way, illegal isn't the right way. vetting solves a lot of problems, extreme vetting solves even more. how much crime rate of Muslim is there in Japan? exactly, they do extreme vetting. racism will always be there, everyone is racist rather they want to accept it or not, and racism was stirred under the previous president's watch and is forced further, the liberal based school systems aren't helping the situation either. and no, socialism destroys, it is a cancer, Haiti, Venezuela.... on a final note once blah blah is in office I'm moving to Haiti or Venezuela said no democrat ever. they know it's a horrible place, their policies destroyed it, so, why would they want to go somewhere like that, the damage is already done, in their mind set they move on to the next target, America is in the cross hairs at the moment, this is what the puppet master Soros is up to. /history /research /politics
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Cardamom_Ginger wrote:

I almost asked a legitimate question about overtime in Norway, but then I realized that this thread is likely intended to encourage pseudo-political shit-slinging and general confusion above all else.


It may be another bait thread, but that's no reason not to say, "https://www.nho.no/en/Business-in-Norway/Basic-Labour-Law/." Specifically, "The employer is obliged to keep an account on hours actually worked by each employee. Overtime work has to be compensated: All employees, except leaders and staff in particularly independent posts, have the right to a supplement of at least 40% for overtime work." An example is the University of Oslo's policy ( http://www.uio.no/english/for-employees/employment/payments/overtime/ ), but there are apparently even more specific policies in place at other locations.


It is a bait thread, but I did lol when I heard Trump wanting more of the liberal ideal country's citizens here.

Anyhow, the work mandate above isn't THAT radical to what we ideally set forth. it's a standard 40 hour week, but it accomodates for a half hour lunch break each day, yielding the "acutal" work week to be 37.5

In the US, we consider a 40 hour work week to be standard, but although the employer must allow for a half an hour lunch break (and two 15 minute breaks I believe), it's not necessarily paid.

40%, if I get what the law is saying, is basically "time and a half" for overtime, which is pretty standard practice here with a few exceptions in certain fields.

The 1 week vacation time and 3 sick days without notice is sort of standard in white collar (non-retail) jobs, but isn't protected by law.

What IS probably different is the wages to cost of living ratio, the taxation brackets, and the general attitude of companies to their employees.

I used to work for a danish gentleman, and i can verify, that, if he is an example of the attitude of the people in these scandinavian countries, it generally is that you look out for your employees rather than treat them like disposable interchangable parts.

It's the understanding that your employees are also your customers and it's not a race to own everything. There's also more of an acceptance that a lot of things in life are just happenstance and a matter of luck. It's not the manifest destiny and staunch calvinist individuality that sets the US apart from virtually any other nation. (we are insane when it comes to believing that anyone can be a billionaire and the notion of "hard work and determination" is the road to success... Not denying that those things are good and a part of the equation, but the US kinda takes the concept to an extreme).
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It may be another bait thread, but that's no reason not to say, "https://www.nho.no/en/Business-in-Norway/Basic-Labour-Law/." Specifically, "The employer is obliged to keep an account on hours actually worked by each employee. Overtime work has to be compensated: All employees, except leaders and staff in particularly independent posts, have the right to a supplement of at least 40% for overtime work." An example is the University of Oslo's policy ( http://www.uio.no/english/for-employees/employment/payments/overtime/ ), but there are apparently even more specific policies in place at other locations.


As someone willing to put in as much as 76 hours a week, I've been wondering if overtime is actively discouraged and by how much, and if the whole "off by four" or whatever are actively enforced... Or if those kinds of hours aren't especially common for construction workers. I suppose the answers to my questions aren't easily ascertained when not living there.
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Quite a bit of inaccurate information here.
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I never trust a Norwegian ever again one tricked me into eating lutefisk once

I have my eye on you Norway
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There is poverty in Norway. The poor population is mostly among immigrants who are mostly nonwhite from Africa and Middle Eastern nations. However, at least Norwegians have a social conscious for each other in building their nation
As for Haiti and The African Countries Trump spoke of. They do not provide any of the above for their people. In fact their governments are corrupt and oppress their people. They also allow big business from other countries to take to minerals and oil resources nearly free. The government’s move people off tribal lands so foreign companies can dig and drill. If someone gets the courage to protest, the government sends soldiers to kill them. The governments don’t care about the citizens and the citizens aren’t taught to care about each other. Don’t get me started on how the men treat women.

Just think if you bring more people from Haiti and Africa they’ll bring their value system with them, which is actually more in line with Republican policies.

We are trying to make progress in America, trying to get more like the Norway System, minus the racism.

Actually Trump and the Republicans should all move to the S-hole countries where they’ll fit in perfectly because they have so much in common. Actually Haiti and Africa needs people from Norway to show them how to run a government and for a government to set up a system that provides for and protects its people.

What do you think?


You should know that the oppressive governments in many third world nations are actually puppet governments of Western nations. The oppressive governments in the third world exist after the 1960s when the liberals begin to establish transnational governments (NAFTA, WTO, WB) to control the politico-economic system in the third world and override the authority of many invisible hands; the unchecked corruption, tax heaven, rampart crimes, and mass poverty in the third world were rare during the 1960s. The Western nations should take in immigrants from the third world nations as compensation for establishing the puppet governments that allow Westerners to free-ride on the labor of third world citizen.


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immigrants always welcome, as long as they come in the legal way, illegal isn't the right way. vetting solves a lot of problems, extreme vetting solves even more. how much crime rate of Muslim is there in Japan? exactly, they do extreme vetting. racism will always be there, everyone is racist rather they want to accept it or not, and racism was stirred under the previous president's watch and is forced further, the liberal based school systems aren't helping the situation either. and no, socialism destroys, it is a cancer, Haiti, Venezuela.... on a final note once blah blah is in office I'm moving to Haiti or Venezuela said no democrat ever. they know it's a horrible place, their policies destroyed it, so, why would they want to go somewhere like that, the damage is already done, in their mind set they move on to the next target, America is in the cross hairs at the moment, this is what the puppet master Soros is up to. /history /research /politics


I will to ask questions to clarify you post: Are you claiming that Soros is an overpowered villain mastermind that must be blamed for some worldwide corruption just because of his success? Are you telling people to allow racism just because racism is unavoidable? Are you claiming that the current social problem in Venezuela can be blamed to Socialism when there is no problem in Venezuela for the first decade of Socialist presidency before the 2008 Global Recession?
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Soros is the rights boogie man they blame him for everything they can't understand which is almost everything, Something goes wrong Soros did it youe goldfish dies Soros had it illed got a headache Soros is using his mind control beam on you and only saint trump can save the world from his evil vilany
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thank you for your comments.

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gornotck wrote:


It may be another bait thread, but that's no reason not to say, "https://www.nho.no/en/Business-in-Norway/Basic-Labour-Law/." Specifically, "The employer is obliged to keep an account on hours actually worked by each employee. Overtime work has to be compensated: All employees, except leaders and staff in particularly independent posts, have the right to a supplement of at least 40% for overtime work." An example is the University of Oslo's policy ( http://www.uio.no/english/for-employees/employment/payments/overtime/ ), but there are apparently even more specific policies in place at other locations.


As someone willing to put in as much as 76 hours a week, I've been wondering if overtime is actively discouraged and by how much, and if the whole "off by four" or whatever are actively enforced... Or if those kinds of hours aren't especially common for construction workers. I suppose the answers to my questions aren't easily ascertained when not living there.


Yes. That does sound like something someone with direct experience would need to answer, though the links I mentioned seem to say that the answer is 'probably yes' as to them discouraging overtime.
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Are you claiming that the current social problem in Venezuela can be blamed to Socialism when there is no problem in Venezuela for the first decade of Socialist presidency before the 2008 Global Recession?


Yes. 2007 is when Venezuela started seizing the means of production.

Source https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-election-nationalizations/factbox-venezuelas-nationalizations-under-chavez-idUSBRE89701X20121008

"In 2007, Chavez's government took a majority stake in four oil projects in the vast Orinoco heavy crude belt worth an estimated $30 billion in total. Exxon Mobil Corp and ConocoPhillips quit the country as a result and filed arbitration claims. Late last year, an arbitration panel ordered Venezuela to pay Exxon $908 million, though a larger case is still ongoing. France's Total SA and Norway's StatoilHydro ASA received about $1 billion in compensation after reducing their holdings. Britain's BP Plc and America's Chevron Corp remained as minority partners.

In 2008, Chavez's administration implemented a windfall tax of 50 percent for prices over $70 per barrel, and 60 percent on oil over $100. Oil reached $147 that year, but soon slumped.

In 2009, Chavez seized a major gas injection project belonging to Williams Cos Inc and a range of assets from local service companies. This year, the energy minister said the government would pay $420 million to Williams and one of its U.S. partners, Exterran Holdings, for the takeover.

In June 2010, the government seized 11 oil rigs from Oklahoma-based Helmerich & Payne Inc.

In 2009, Chavez nationalized a rice mill operated by a local unit of U.S. food giant Cargill Inc.

In October 2010, Venezuela nationalized Fertinitro, one of the world's biggest producers of nitrogen fertilizer, as well as Agroislena, a major local agricultural supply company. It also said it would take control of nearly 200,000 hectares (494,000 acres) of land owned by British meat company Vestey Foods.

In 2005, Chavez began implementing a 2001 law letting the state expropriate unproductive farms or seize land without proper titles. He has redistributed millions of acres deemed idle to boost food production and ease rural poverty.

Chavez's government has repeatedly threatened to seize Empresas Polar, Venezuela's biggest employer and largest brewer and food processor.

In June 2010, Venezuela took over the mid-sized bank Banco Federal

In 2009, Chavez paid $1 billion for Banco de Venezuela

The government has closed a dozen small banks since November 2009 for what it said were operational irregularities. Some were reopened as state-run firms. Brokerages have also been closed and some employees jailed. Chavez has vowed to nationalize any bank that fails to meet government lending guidelines or is in financial trouble.

In October 2010, Chavez ordered the takeover of the local operations of Owens Illinois Inc, which describes itself as the world's largest glass container maker.

Chavez in April 2008 announced the government takeover of the cement sector, targeting Switzerland's Holcim Ltd, France's Lafarge SA, and Mexico's Cemex SAB de CV.

Chavez has considered bringing mining more firmly into state hands, and in 2009 the mining ministry seized Gold Reserve Inc's Brisas project, which sits on one of Latin America's largest gold veins. Gold Reserve immediately filed for arbitration with ICSID.

In August 2011, Chavez said he was nationalizing the gold industry. Toronto-listed Rusoro Mining Ltd, owned by Russia's Agapov family, was the only large gold miner operating in Venezuela, and this year it filed for arbitration.

The government paid $2 billion in 2009 for Argentine-led Ternium SA's stake in Venezuela's largest steel mill.

In 2007, the nation's largest telecommunications company CANTV was nationalized after the government bought out the U.S.-based Verizon Communications Inc's 28.5 percent stake for $572 million.

In 2007, Venezuela expropriated the assets of U.S.-based AES Corp in Electricidad de Caracas, the nation's largest private power producer. The government paid AES $740 million for its 82 percent stake in the company.

In September 2011, the government nationalized a local ferry company, Conferry

In October 2011, Chavez said his government would seize private homes on the Los Roques archipelago in the Caribbean and use them for state-run tourism."





The oppressive governments in the third world exist after the 1960s when the liberals begin to establish transnational governments (NAFTA, WTO, WB) to control the politico-economic system in the third world and override the authority of many invisible hands; the unchecked corruption, tax heaven, rampart crimes, and mass poverty in the third world were rare during the 1960s.



Is that so?



The so called "puppets" you speak of are a detriment to western intervention in the form of western aid as we lose a significant percentage from corruption. As to your claim about the crime rates being low during the 1960's I can't find any data on that.
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6. Norwegian government mandated minimum wages to be the same as union negotiated wages set by industry. This allows Norwegians to enjoy good job security, wages, and vacation time.



Fact checking.

False.

Government mandated minimum wage is not comparable to union negotiated rates. One stems from government legislation and intervention the other is negotiated by employers, unions and local governments. You also have to actually join a union.
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