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anime awards are still stupid and will end up with popular vote. Especially considering how bias your judges have been by putting a certain show in multiple spots at multiple categories.

Just get critics to help out next year instead of this bs you're trying to pull this and last year
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I mean like in 3-Gatsu no lion, how Rei is in Best Boy (probably because he's the MC, but i feel Nikaido, the teacher or almost every single other male character from that show would be better in that spot).

In that case, the major driving force may be women who feel toward him the way I'd feel toward a moe girl MC in an altogether different show.
Take this for example: http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2017/08/22/crunchyrolls-first-staff-picks-feature


I don't give a FRICK about shogi. But I do give at least fifty fricks about sad boys, and Rei Kiriyama is the saddest boy. March comes in like a lion follows Rei as he advances in his professional shogi career, overcomes his past traumas, and attempts to make meaningful connections to the people around him. You. Will. Cry. I promise. Every episode of this dang series had me wiping at my eyes in a futile attempt to save my eyeliner. One of my favorite things about March is the way it fleshes out its cast. Someone will be introduced one week seemingly as a one-off joke character, but then we'll have a mini-arc a few episodes later dedicated to illustrating their own personal hardships and backstories. This series has some beautiful things to say about empathy and the value of opening up to people. Also, Rei Kiriyama is a GOOD BOY and I will PROTECT HIM WITH MY LIFE.

C.S. Lewis' comments on pity in The Great Divorce come to mind. Me, I can relate to him because I've had similar experiences with extreme childhood loneliness and such, yet that doesn't make me care about him. I guess he's alright.


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Just get critics to help out next year instead of this bs you're trying to pull this and last year


And have us all whining and crying about the awards being "elitist," decided by critics who are as out of touch with audiences as the Academy's Oscar selections/winners have tended to be for the past decade? I agree, though, that the popularity factor is a problem, a very difficult one. Last time, I read that the vote link was going around Tumblr, pulling in votes for YOI from people who hadn't seen anything else.

(Edit: Or did you mean only have them select nominees? I felt the nominations were much more balanced this year, compared to YOI being set up to win in so many categories last year. You might have to outright disqualify very popular shows if you want to mitigate popularity bias in democratic voting.)


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As long as shows are being judged critically instead of basing the awards on popularity, then I'm fine with shows in their second season completing with One Piece. The original Naruto was pretty popular, but there are plenty of story arcs in there that don't deserve any awards. A show that has run as long as One Piece has had every opportunity for the characters to get stale and the plots to turn into time wasting filler, so if they're still at the top of their game, then Bravo! (BTW, I don't watch One Piece, so I don't have an actual opinion there.) Also, if a newer show takes the award over a giant like One Piece, the David and Goliath story could be just what the newer show needs to gain popularity and keep going.

But the slender thread that hangs by is One Piece fans judging purely by that year's content, rather than voting based on their feelings toward the show as a whole. Can you trust them to do that? (I'm not singling out One Piece fans here, I'd say the same of any very long-running franchise. Though I wouldn't expect Doraemon to run away with it. Which would be hilarious and awesome.)
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Hello CR representative.

I was wondering who the brilliant mind/s behind the multiple voting feature is/are and would love for you to share their name/s with us all so we can show them our humble appreciation for making such a fantastic idea a reality.....

Also, shame on Best ED not having "A Page of my Story" from Princess Principal nominated. Shame shame shame.
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I do not understand. What is this?
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Dushan wrote:

I do not understand. What is this?

The Anime Awards in general: CR uses controversy to generate publicity...?

This thread in particular: CR wants us to state our cases for our favorite nominees, but some of us would rather state our cases about the award process itself
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nDroae wrote:


Dushan wrote:

I do not understand. What is this?

The Anime Awards in general: CR uses controversy to generate publicity...?

This thread in particular: CR wants us to state our cases for our favorite nominees, but some of us would rather state our cases about the award process itself


Is this diffrent from that multiple choice thing they had us go to, on a diffrent website to select OP/ED? If not, not sure why we need a thread of it. I mean, we made all our choices on that voting page right?
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@Dushan It's the same thing. I dunno, I guess part of the idea here may be to use the submitted material (videos especially) as a promotional pitch to get people who haven't seen those shows to watch them on CR, thereby hopefully increasing their valuation of CR's service, increasing the chance of them subscribing, etc. Or it's just a fun community involvement idea.
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Why are most voting options locked still? What’s the point!
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nDroae wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:
Just get critics to help out next year instead of this bs you're trying to pull this and last year


And have us all whining and crying about the awards being "elitist," decided by critics who are as out of touch with audiences as the Academy's Oscar selections/winners have tended to be for the past decade? I agree, though, that the popularity factor is a problem, a very difficult one. Last time, I read that the vote link was going around Tumblr, pulling in votes for YOI from people who hadn't seen anything else.

(Edit: Or did you mean only have them select nominees? I felt the nominations were much more balanced this year, compared to YOI being set up to win in so many categories last year. You might have to outright disqualify very popular shows if you want to mitigate popularity bias in democratic voting.)


Not all critics are elitists. If you really think that most anime critics are elitists then you haven't seen the mayoralty of so called anime critics out there. We shouldn't aim to get people like ForneverWorld and Chibireviews into judging seat as they hype everything new and popular up without any critical thinking, nor should we get elitists like ThatAnimeSnob into the judging seat.

But I don't see a problem with bringing in people like Arkada, mother's basement, digibro and etc into the judging seat as they have street cred that makes them able to analyse and dictate what's good and what isn't.

I meant that critics should select nominees that people get to have a people's choice award for in every category.

Then also have the real awards after where the judges vote. I also think that the judges should vote before everything gets public as that way there's no way for them to get outsider influence in their votes.
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What's the purpose of having an Ongoing Category if you're going to submit all the season 2 and ongoing into the Anime of the Year category anyway? Seems redundant at best and edges out the smaller shows at its worst.

I like the write in option at least, it gives some shows missed by judges (some really confusing snubs) a decent chance. A category I'd like to see get added is one for background art. Perplexing we have one for animation but not for art direction. Maybe you feel it blends into the same category, I don't know.
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All judging is subjective, so the final nominees that make it into the categories can be head-scratchers for a lot of us.
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Just checked nominees...no Ballroom e Youkoso (Welcome to the Ballroom) and what looked like a single mention of Just Because! two of Amazons more popular Anime offerings for this past year.
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TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


nDroae wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:
Just get critics to help out next year instead of this bs you're trying to pull this and last year


And have us all whining and crying about the awards being "elitist," decided by critics who are as out of touch with audiences as the Academy's Oscar selections/winners have tended to be for the past decade? I agree, though, that the popularity factor is a problem, a very difficult one. Last time, I read that the vote link was going around Tumblr, pulling in votes for YOI from people who hadn't seen anything else.

(Edit: Or did you mean only have them select nominees? I felt the nominations were much more balanced this year, compared to YOI being set up to win in so many categories last year. You might have to outright disqualify very popular shows if you want to mitigate popularity bias in democratic voting.)


Not all critics are elitists. If you really think that most anime critics are elitists then you haven't seen the mayoralty of so called anime critics out there. We shouldn't aim to get people like ForneverWorld and Chibireviews into judging seat as they hype everything new and popular up without any critical thinking, nor should we get elitists like ThatAnimeSnob into the judging seat.

But I don't see a problem with bringing in people like Arkada, mother's basement, digibro and etc into the judging seat as they have street cred that makes them able to analyse and dictate what's good and what isn't.

I meant that critics should select nominees that people get to have a people's choice award for in every category.

Then also have the real awards after where the judges vote. I also think that the judges should vote before everything gets public as that way there's no way for them to get outsider influence in their votes.

If I fully believed that, I wouldn't have put "elitist" in quotes I used to enjoy listening to the Weebcast, but had to stop after Digibro left because it was making me angry. One problem with them is, like with all professional critics, exhaustion from watching too much. It gives them a bias in favor of anything unusual and against anything too similar to what they've seen before.

CR did fly Digi out to the CR expo, but I wonder whether he'd even be interested in being a judge, considering his stance on awards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUiJu76-Fuk
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What's the deadline for submitting an essay op-ed?
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