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Posted 1/29/18 , edited 1/30/18
The fake outrage is pretty funny to read.

https://twitter.com/castrovince/status/958086890900639745

Probably the best take on the issue.
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Posted 1/30/18 , edited 1/30/18

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Surprised this wasn't changed years ago...


Yes, well, half this thread is a testament as to who has been stopping it from changing.
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Posted 1/30/18 , edited 1/30/18
I always liked that icon as a kid. Iam Australian and dont give two shits about baseball but there was a phase here were basket ball and baseball was kinda big. More so fashion wise and trading card wise.
I always liked the Cleveland Indians, used to have a cap and t-shirts of them as a kid.
Maybe that movie with Charlie Sheen played part?

Anyways, are Native Indians the ones who imposed this or like most things. white SJW's? or maybe both?
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Posted 1/30/18 , edited 1/30/18

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Enforce your borders, reject immigrants not willing to culturally convert, kick out invaders early and often, and don't let the government take your guns.


and don't let your population get devastated by a bunch of diseases you don't have any exposure to (that were brought over by shady looking white dudes with buckles on their shoes)
I'm telling you you gotta watch those damn pilgrims
(note: I am aware the conquistadors probobly had more to do with the actual spread of disease than the pilgrims did, i'm taking artistic liberty here for the sake of making a joke)


I've wondered on and off about this. The Europeans brought a bunch of plagues to the Americas but shouldn't the Americans have given the Europeans plagues too?


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I always liked that icon as a kid. Iam Australian and dont give two shits about baseball but there was a phase here were basket ball and baseball was kinda big. More so fashion wise and trading card wise.
I always liked the Cleveland Indians, used to have a cap and t-shirts of them as a kid.
Maybe that movie with Charlie Sheen played part?

Anyways, are Native Indians the ones who imposed this or like most things. white SJW's? or maybe both?


SJW and people wanting attention.

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Posted 1/30/18 , edited 1/31/18

MrAnimeSK wrote:
Anyways, are Native Indians the ones who imposed this or like most things. white SJW's? or maybe both?


Natives have been protesting the logo on an annual basis for 45 years. Formal petitions from Native groups have been filed for about 20 years. It took about a decade of formal petitions for the Cleveland Indians management to even acknowledge them. Then another 4 years to grudgingly demote the logo to the uniforms only. Then another 4 years to finally decide to phase it out by 2019.

So no, this is not the SJW boogeyman.
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Posted 1/31/18 , edited 1/31/18

runec wrote:


MrAnimeSK wrote:
Anyways, are Native Indians the ones who imposed this or like most things. white SJW's? or maybe both?


Natives have been protesting the logo on an annual basis for 45 years. Formal petitions from Native groups have been filed for about 20 years. It took about a decade of formal petitions for the Cleveland Indians management to even acknowledge them. Then another 4 years to grudgingly demote the logo to the uniforms only. Then another 4 years to finally decide to phase it out by 2019.

So no, this is not the SJW boogeyman.


There's a SJW boogie man??
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Posted 1/30/18 , edited 1/31/18

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I've wondered on and off about this. The Europeans brought a bunch of plagues to the Americas but shouldn't the Americans have given the Europeans plagues too?


CGP grey has a video on this, but basically the short and dirty of it is plagues tend to to get started in large cities with poor sanitation and native americans (especially in north america) didn't really have those. I mean the aztecs had Tenochtitlan which was pretty big but other than that there weren't many big cities like that that i can think of. anyways i will link the actual video below so you can check it out for yourself and see if it makes sense to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk&t=58s
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Posted 1/31/18 , edited 1/31/18

runec wrote:


MrAnimeSK wrote:
Anyways, are Native Indians the ones who imposed this or like most things. white SJW's? or maybe both?


Natives have been protesting the logo on an annual basis for 45 years. Formal petitions from Native groups have been filed for about 20 years. It took about a decade of formal petitions for the Cleveland Indians management to even acknowledge them. Then another 4 years to grudgingly demote the logo to the uniforms only. Then another 4 years to finally decide to phase it out by 2019.

So no, this is not the SJW boogeyman.


If it offends so badly, no reason to keep it. I didn't see as much of the offensiveness though. I thought it looked cute and less racist than the fighting Irish logo. It was certainly less racist than the terrible "Redskin" mascot my high school had. Maybe they could have just changed the color.
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Posted 1/30/18 , edited 1/31/18

don't really follow sports, but is the only reason just the outrage or are they modernizing the design like a lot of other teams?

I assume it's just the logo and not the name? (since that was curiously omitted in the OP)
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Posted 1/31/18 , edited 1/31/18
First thing I thought of was Major League

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-OlE- wrote:


Rujikin wrote:



I've wondered on and off about this. The Europeans brought a bunch of plagues to the Americas but shouldn't the Americans have given the Europeans plagues too?


CGP grey has a video on this, but basically the short and dirty of it is plagues tend to to get started in large cities with poor sanitation and native americans (especially in north america) didn't really have those. I mean the aztecs had Tenochtitlan which was pretty big but other than that there weren't many big cities like that that i can think of. anyways i will link the actual video below so you can check it out for yourself and see if it makes sense to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk&t=58s


Interesting.

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Posted 1/31/18 , edited 1/31/18
why not change their logo to this at least they will be technically correct

They are the Cleveland Indians and not the Cleveland native Americans
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I know about this issue of the logo from my social psychology class; The logo reinforce inaccurate stereotype of native americans; the logos pressure the native americans to embrace the european misconception of their culture instead of their true culture. Some anime did discuss this issue when one of the characters gain special status, but only from an identity that do not represent their true self. An example is the Angel Beats anime. The difference from those misconception on anime is that this misconception of native americans act on the group level and might not even give special prestige to the native americans.
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Posted 2/1/18 , edited 2/1/18
Do they still sell those "Redskin" lollies in America?
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they should probobly just change the name while they are at it, not because it is offensive, it's just plain inaccurate. The people they are referencing are clearly not Indian, so why would you call them Indians? I mean it was an understandable misunderstanding at first but for crying out loud we know this isn't India now , it would be like if a team called themselves the Tigers but their mascot was a Lion. WHY
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Posted 2/1/18 , edited 2/1/18

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Do they still sell those "Redskin" lollies in America?


Never heard of those before. The interwebs tells me they don't though.

The original packaging on those is an eyebrow raiser too though they smartened up much faster than Cleveland did.

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Posted 1/30/18 , edited 1/31/18

-OlE- wrote:

they should probobly just change the name while they are at it, not because it is offensive, it's just plain inaccurate. The people they are referencing are clearly not Indian, so why would you call them Indians? I mean it was an understandable misunderstanding at first but for crying out loud we know this isn't India now , it would be like if a team called themselves the Tigers but their mascot was a Lion. WHY


It's almost as if the mascot was suppose to be funny to begin with.
Posted 2/1/18 , edited 2/1/18

Rujikin wrote:


-OlE- wrote:

they should probobly just change the name while they are at it, not because it is offensive, it's just plain inaccurate. The people they are referencing are clearly not Indian, so why would you call them Indians? I mean it was an understandable misunderstanding at first but for crying out loud we know this isn't India now , it would be like if a team called themselves the Tigers but their mascot was a Lion. WHY


It's almost as if the mascot was suppose to be funny to begin with.


It was as far as some were concerned it was, but to others apparently it is offensive. That logic dictates that It shouldn't thus be a problem to revise if it wasn't serious in the first place.
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Posted 2/1/18 , edited 2/1/18

runec wrote:


MrAnimeSK wrote:
Do they still sell those "Redskin" lollies in America?


Never heard of those before. The interwebs tells me they don't though.

The original packaging on those is an eyebrow raiser too though they smartened up much faster than Cleveland did.




Maybe its just an Australian candy? not sure. Yeah i dont think the old school packaging exists anymore, the one with the Indian on it.
EDIT: Ah manufactured in New Zealand.
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