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Hmm, I grew up in BC and aboriginal studies was a key piece of what I learned in school. I also remember learning about how we treated Chinese immigrants we had working on the railroads. And especially how shamefully we mistreated the Japanese during WW2.


I'm assuming the change of curriculum came as a response to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada report on the residential school system which amounted to "cultural genocide" of indigenous peoples. Especially since this article came about 15 days after said report on June 2, 2015.
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I'm assuming the change of curriculum came as a response to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission of Canada report on the residential school system which amounted to "cultural genocide" of indigenous peoples. Especially since this article came about 15 days after said report on June 2, 2015.


Indeed. There wasn't a focus on the utter tragedy that was the residential school program when I was in school. It's good to see it being added though. Harper mishandled practically everything when it came to First Nations affairs and we've been dragging our heels for years.

But I mean if you live in BC chances are you live fairly close to a reservation so learning the issues, culture and history is more immediate. Even putting aside the history there was a big focus on the culture when I was in school. Heck, if you went to school in BC chances are your classmates were very diverse to begin with.
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Actually no, I think the point is... The way people talk about slavery today, people get the impression that slavery only happened to black people, which is wrong.... Just so so wrong.

Other things to point out. White people didn't start the african slave trade, African tribes were enslaving other african tribes for thousands of years before white man ever set foot on Africa and "in part" helped ruin it. Egyptians anyone? To name the obvious.

Why do people think that white people were not victims of slavery? Barbary Pirates would raid the english coast line enslaving men, women and children and operated out of North Africa. Victims, would used for ransom, slavery, sex.... But lets not talk about that, becasue they are white and have white privilege.

So yeah, slavery is being taught wrong in schools.... White people always get the blame...


Again, that's just the "all the other kids were doing it" defense. That doesn't work and like it or not slavery is an intimate part of America's history and we're talking about American history in the context of American education. Boiling it down to "white people always get the blame" is frankly absurd. Trying to defend it by saying well other people had slavery to is also absurd.

History doesn't care about your feelings.



And there you go again.... You are just not getting it.

No one is defending slavery in any capacity, not I or anyone else. Your aurgument of "all the other kids were doing it" is totally garbage, becasue no is claiming all the other kids. It about remembering that it happened to all ethnic groups throughout time and not just black American people, which was the vast majority of people only hear about.

If you want to teach slavery to anyone around the world, then you have to teach it properly and how slavery influenced the world, how it was used and why and all the ins and outs of it.

Just to teach one nerrative is in my opinion is wrong, if you are going to teach people about a subject, do it properly otherwise you will only create more problem than it solves, which is not the point of education, as slavery is an intimate part of many other peoples histories affecting countries all over the world and not just America.
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And there you go again.... You are just not getting it.

No one is defending slavery in any capacity, not I or anyone else. Your aurgument of "all the other kids were doing it" is totally garbage, becasue no is claiming all the other kids. It about remembering that it happened to all ethnic groups throughout time and not just black American people, which was the vast majority of people only hear about.

If you want to teach slavery to anyone around the world, then you have to teach it properly and how slavery influenced the world, how it was used and why and all the ins and outs of it.

Just to teach one nerrative is in my opinion is wrong, if you are going to teach people about a subject, do it properly otherwise you will only create more problem than it solves, which is not the point of education, as slavery is an intimate part of many other peoples histories affecting countries all over the world and not just America.


I get it just fine. You don't get to try and make a reasonable argument after lamenting that poor white people get blamed for everything. Your argument is based on the unfounded assertion that most people somehow don't realize slavery existed and exists beyond American history. The angle you pitched was not a better broader education it was that "yeah well it happened to white people once to so it's not fair!".

Also, learning about America's history isn't a "narrative". Nor is it unreasonable to be teaching American kids, you know, American history. Yes, slavery existed in other countries but these kids were not born in other countries. Yes, in teaching the history of slavery in America you would of course put it in context of the global slave trade otherwise it would be a pretty confusing lesson. What you're suggesting is that children are currently somehow learning absolutely nothing about the history of the rest of the world in the wake of an article showing they aren't properly learning the history of their own country either.

If they aren't learning the history of their own country and not learning the history of any other country or the world at large then what exactly is the other 95% of the time spent on in history class? I mean, America's education system sucks but it isn't THAT bad.

I mean, for example, where did you grow up that you didn't learn Egypt had slavery?

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Really, guys? This is a topic of slavery being neglected in school, yet, hypocritically, discussing more than the Atlantic slave trade can "only" be attributed to prejudice? The hell? The Atlantic slave trade isn't the only slavery history that is sorely neglected. We have everything from the Barbary slave trade, to the 2007 Chinese slave scandal, to Libya's slave trade. They're all more than due for open discussion. Either you support education on slavery, or you only want a single facet to monopolize. It's pretty twisted for only one slave trade to be "okay" to talk about.


This. ^^^^ And while on the topic of slavery, lets not forget about pretty much all empires that existed, which all had slaves of some sort, but I guess those aren't important to some people. It's not about skin color people, slavery existed in much worse conditions all over the world.


Its a way of thread derailment. The topic is about american students and slavery, so obviously the point of the discussion is focusing on how the topic of slavery in regards to American history is not properly taught. Yes obviously slavery existed all over the world but slavery all over the world is not relevant to american history is it? When talking about other historical topics like Eygptian history, Mayan history history or any other history (british, African, Canadian) people will and should bring up slavery if they performed it as a footnote because it was not as important. But when talking American history as an American student or just even as a modern student, slavery is often taught as its own topic because it was 1) Essential to Americas development. 2) Not that long ago (relatively) 3) The effects are still being felt.

So to mention that "Other people did it too" is a thread derailment


I said this on page three Skiprat, do you not even read the other posts? This thread isn't even that long
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I said this on page three Skiprat, do you not even read the other posts? This thread isn't even that long

I didn't derail this thread, nor did Skiprat.
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I said this on page three Skiprat, do you not even read the other posts? This thread isn't even that long

I didn't derail this thread, nor did Skiprat.


I explained that it is a form of derailing the thread by taking away from the actual point of discussion. Its pretty clear what I said do you have trouble understanding? Would you like me to repeat it?
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I said this on page three Skiprat, do you not even read the other posts? This thread isn't even that long

I didn't derail this thread, nor did Skiprat.


I explained that it is a form of derailing the thread by taking away from the actual point of discussion. Its pretty clear what I said do you have trouble understanding? Would you like me to repeat it?

No thanks, we're both wasting each other's time. Bye.
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A series of posts on Twitters that criticize every USA presidents, https://twitter.com/pinko_snob/status/965574010556862464, could provide the most shameful and darkest side of American slavery. It show many interesting facts that are not mentioned in this thread: presidents supporting slavery in contradiction to their support to freedom; presidents legalizing slavery on territories where slavery was illegal and unpopular; imperialism against communities of freed slaves; kidnapping for slaves even when the kidnapping is illegal.
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