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Confirmed mass school shooting in South Florida High School
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- Fire department saying it's a "mass causality incident" (Meaning 20 to 50 victims, which includes injured alive victims.)

- Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Senior High

- Live updates:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/video/channel/316-live/

- People are saying the shooter is a former student though that is unconfirmed.


Trumps Statement:


"My prayers and condolences to the families of the victims of the terrible Florida shooting. No child, teacher or anyone else should ever feel unsafe in an American school."


I wish I could say im surprised by this but I'm becoming desensitized to it. People will be quick to say that its because firearms are legal but I think it's important to remember that firearms or not this person would still feel the way they do. What I do know is that there is something deeply wrong with a culture that makes people feel in such a way that killing everyone that's near them is necessary.

This correlation is a stretch, but I recently watched a Joe Rogan podcast that was loosely based on depression (And further the opiod crisis). I think that sharing it is perhaps useless, but I found some interesting insight in the podcast that was based around the anti-depressent story Johann Hari shares. Perhaps the person who did this wasn't depressed. Perhaps he was just crazy and out for blood but I'm under the camp that thinks a certain degree of mental illness is connected to social depravity.

Anyway, I hope this isn't inappropriate, but here you are:

https://youtu.be/aujaQoAD-TM?t=6m10s
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Of course, people will say this isn't the time to talk about gun laws (it never is). One thing I've been wondering is when do we start holding the parents (or whoever gave him access to a gun) responsible. I know that they must feel terrible for what their child has done, but in the end they gave this little monster access to something with the ability to take lives. They should be charged as accomplices, maybe then people will start to really think about properly stowing their firearms.
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So how many this year then?
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Seems early in the sense that not enough is known about the shooter yet to make a judgement call on mental fitness. Tragedies like this do require thoughtful evaluation of what motivated the shooter, how this could have been prevented (if at all feasible), and what preventative measures might be worthwhile to implement on a nationwide basis. Why a minor was able to get ahold of weapons to inflict that kind of damage on his peers should be asked without the knee-jerk stumping of "ban all guns"/"don't take our guns" that resolves exactly nothing.

Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. May we reach a point in the political discourse where these horrific events aren't casually accepted as inevitable.
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Reset the clock.



zefur wrote:
So how many this year then?


This would be the 4th mass shooting and something like the 17th or 18th shooting at a school in general.

But don't worry, I'm sure Thoughts & Prayers(tm) will fix everything for sure this time.




qwueri wrote:
Why a minor was able to get ahold of weapons to inflict that kind of damage on his peers should be asked without the knee-jerk stumping of "ban all guns"/"don't take our guns" that resolves exactly nothing.


Let me just repost this and get the entire argument out of the way:


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runec wrote:

Reset the clock.



zefur wrote:
So how many this year then?


This would be the 4th mass shooting and something like the 17th or 18th shooting at a school in general.

But don't worry, I'm sure Thoughts & Prayers(tm) will fix everything for sure this time.



Ahh I see maybe we should start preemptive thoughts and prayers? or maybe equip everyone with thoughts and prayers to stop it from happening in the future. Because you know when everyone has thoughts and prayers that solves the problem entirely.
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zefur wrote:
Ahh I see maybe we should start preemptive thoughts and prayers? or maybe equip everyone with thoughts and prayers to stop it from happening in the future. Because you know when everyone has thoughts and prayers that solves the problem entirely.


Our stockpile of thoughts and prayers needs to be modernized. We need to be able to deploy our thoughts and prayers anywhere at anytime. They need to be ready to confront and address the growing threats of an ever changing world without actually doing a single thing to help anyone or change anything.

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runec wrote:


Our stockpile of thoughts and prayers needs to be modernized. We need to be able to deploy our thoughts and prayers anywhere at anytime. They need to be ready to confront and address the growing threats of an ever changing world without actually doing a single thing to help anyone or change anything.



We should really just automate the process and have an alert go out to our phones that our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of whatever shooting happens to occur that particular day so we can skip the process of actually having to type out "thoughts and prayers" ourselves. ya know like an amber alert or something. a thoughts and prayers alert.
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Still to soon to talk about gun control?
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Maybe it's time to bring up pro-life, and it's time to consider mass vasectomys/ Sterilization. People need a license to breed.

You want to talk solution. There isn't one, and the people who think there is

Talk talk talk, oh my condolences. They don't give a shit, they honestly don't, and neither do I. They want you not to give a shit, they want you to not care, to accept that this is natural

Guns are evil, so live with it until the day we all die.

Do you really feel safer with a gun? Probably yes, because you are surrounded by filth and degenerates, and they will keep breeding, fueling the constant need for guns, and they will always get into the hands of the weak and mentally disturbed.

Have at it you dam animals. Dance like the dogs you are

And that's the waaaay the news goes



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17 confirmed dead so far. It's now in the top 10 deadliest mass shootings in US history.



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To soon still. Wait until it cracks the top 3 then maybe.
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I live in the same county and my daughters school is about 20 minutes away. I'm still letting this sink in.

We've been covering this since 2 pm at work and it's heart-wrenching with all the stories/video/audio coming in. I'd share more but I'm exhausted.
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runec wrote:

Reset the clock.



zefur wrote:
So how many this year then?


This would be the 4th mass shooting and something like the 17th or 18th shooting at a school in general.

But don't worry, I'm sure Thoughts & Prayers(tm) will fix everything for sure this time.




qwueri wrote:
Why a minor was able to get ahold of weapons to inflict that kind of damage on his peers should be asked without the knee-jerk stumping of "ban all guns"/"don't take our guns" that resolves exactly nothing.


Let me just repost this and get the entire argument out of the way:




5th the rest include suicides via gun. Or for example http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sal-castro-middle-20180202-story.html .

I've also seen eighth as a number but I think that was gun related fatalities in schools.
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This has now knocked Columbine out of the top 10 worst mass shootings in US history. Let that sink in a moment. This is no #9 so far.



Cathugud wrote:
I've also seen eighth as a number but I think that was gun related fatalities in schools.


The one I was reading said only 2 out of 18 were suicides but I see 8 from the Guardian now too, yes. But it seems different outlets are using different criteria. The Guardian is using ones that ended in death/injury. The one I was previously reading also included shooters that were unsuccessful or otherwise stopped before they could cause any loss of life. It's a bit muddled.

Regardless, the real answer is still "too many".

It looks like this is shaping up into the usual. Everyone knew the guy had guns and problems. His online presence was a huge red flag. Etc etc. One of the teachers is even saying he had threatened other students before being expelled. He wasn't allowed on campus with a backpack.

Oh, he was wearing a MAGA hat in his social media profiles so some of the worse right wing outlets are already launching a counter "He was really a Democrat" offensive.


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Cathugud wrote:
I've also seen eighth as a number but I think that was gun related fatalities in schools.


I've heard similar numbers with 18 total school shootings with 8 of them involving fatalities just in 2018.
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