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Posted 2/17/18 , edited 2/17/18

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I really don't understand why you guys have so much trouble handling manga the same way you do anime. Even if we let the free-with-subcription model go, there is something very wrong when physical manga is cheaper than digital. I have zero incentive to buy into this.


Well the reason for that is because manga publishers in general who own the mangas you want to read hate digital and wants things to continue as they've always have.

Businesses usually tend to hate change and just want to bring in money the way they've always done, so basically they give CR a real hard time
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Posted 2/17/18 , edited 2/18/18

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I believe this is a big reason why Crunchyroll loses potential customers. Why subscribe to someone if they can't keep what they have?


So are you not going to subscribe to any service? They all lose stuff all the time it's how licensing works.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Kodansha decided Comixology is a better service for manga than Crunchyroll as they've slowly been pulling support from the later in favor of the former. To Your Eternity (from the author of A Silent Voice) has been simulpublishing there for over a year now (https://www.comixology.com/search/items?search=to+your+eternity&subType=SINGLE_ISSUES) yet hasn't started on Crunchyroll. I think Crunchyroll should find a partner (maybe comico) to simulpub all their stuff (not just random series constantly delayed) as any series attatched to a western publisher is probably going to be on the "charge per chapter" basis now (aside from Jump which Viz has a subscription service for).


If Crunchyroll had some serious competition that had all of their series as well, yes, I would immediately unsubscribe and jump ship. Maybe if Crunchyroll was open to when they were losing a license, I would be less angry. There are ways for Crunchyroll to keep a series for as long as they want. Just look at series such as Naruto and Naruto Shippuden. Both have been on this site since they began their premium service. If a place is leaving after their license term expires because someone offered them a better deal, Crunchyroll didn't fight hard enough to keep it. Maybe they didn't view it as something worth fighting to keep or not.

I have no idea how they make deals with their partners, but I do know how licenses work. I know there is an expiration date and Crunchyroll isn't upfront with those dates. You can't just say "Oh, sorry Crunchyroll, as of 2018-02-28, you will not be allowed to host our product." unless they determined upfront that they can do such things. What may happen is maybe one of the licenses expired on January 1st of this year and the license holder just let it stay on Crunchyroll, then they can give them a date when they must remove it. At least I would be more impressed by Crunchyroll as a customer if they told us these expiration dates.

Let's say Bleach license is set to expire on 2019-01-01 and customer A subscribes to watch Bleach ad-free on 2018-10-01. Crunchyroll either (a) removes Bleach without telling anyone or (b) makes a post such as this and says "Make sure to finish watching Bleach by 2019-01-01 as it will be gone then." on say 2018-11-01. Now this customer A is only 25% through the series (which is impressive in a months time), s/he has 1 month to finish 75% of the series before it either goes to a different site or they have to buy all the DVD/Blu-Ray discs to finish. If they could see that the license to air Bleach ends on 2019-01-01 before they joined, they could have chosen to not join or just not start watching the show.

If Crunchyroll truly lets license holders decide when they want to pull a show, that is poor business in my personal opinion. While I cannot do better as I don't have a business to lease anime series from license holders, I can say that works when you are small and desperate to get anything you can, but when you get as large as Crunchyroll is, if license holders want their show to appear and be successful in countries outside of Japan, they will meet Crunchyroll's terms. They don't have to be strict, just that they can't just all of a sudden demand that a series gets pulled. All I request is more transparency. Maybe Crunchyroll is already doing that, but from what I see, they just look weak and pull a series because some license holder randomly decided that it must be pulled by the end of the month.

Say one of the series they have now had a expiration date of 2019-01-01, people would know, okay, let me stop this other one that expires on 2020-01-01 because I need to read/watch this other one before it expires. It would allow their customers to know for a fact that they can put another series on hold because they KNOW it will be there when they finish one that is about to expire.
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Posted 2/17/18 , edited 2/17/18
@Khaltazar Hi, fellow Kentuckian :)

Here's a case where two shows' removal was announced four days before it happened (#2 and #3 in the post; reference dates of original replies, since OP displayed date has changed) /forumtopic-1001879/last-chance-update-on-region-availability-for-wanna-be-the-strongest-in-the-world-and-removal-of-magica-wars-and-encour

Whenever I (rarely) subscribe to Netflix, it seems like I'm always playing the game of trying to watch expiring movies before they're gone. They don't give a lot of notice, but they did design their queue to display that info, whereas on CR you have to watch this Site News forum like a hawk to be sure of catching removal announcements. Show #1 in that thread above is the reason why I actively read and post in Site News now; after an announcement made by editing that post, it was removed without my awareness days before I'd planned to start watching it, and others were halfway through watching it when it went away. Do people reading the expiring manga have any way of catching this news if they don't see this thread?

I wonder whether the lack of transparency until the eleventh hour may be related to safe business practices when dealing with Japan, as explained here: /forumtopic-1008795/winter-2018-simulcasts?pg=18#57178651 But then, Netflix doesn't make their expiration dates public until, what, a month in advance, or less? I'm not really sure because I usually only subscribe to Netflix for one month per year.

(All that said, I subscribe annually to CR only for anime, and there's so much of it here that even if 2/3 of the catalog went away immediately after my sub renewed for a year, I'd still have plenty to watch to make it worthwhile. I just wish the entire site could get the overhaul it needs.)
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Posted 2/17/18 , edited 2/18/18

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@Khaltazar Hi, fellow Kentuckian :)

Here's a case where two shows' removal was announced four days before it happened (#2 and #3 in the post; reference dates of original replies, since OP displayed date has changed) /forumtopic-1001879/last-chance-update-on-region-availability-for-wanna-be-the-strongest-in-the-world-and-removal-of-magica-wars-and-encour

Whenever I (rarely) subscribe to Netflix, it seems like I'm always playing the game of trying to watch expiring movies before they're gone. They don't give a lot of notice, but they did design their queue to display that info, whereas on CR you have to watch this Site News forum like a hawk to be sure of catching removal announcements. Show #1 in that thread above is the reason why I actively read and post in Site News now; after an announcement made by editing that post, it was removed without my awareness days before I'd planned to start watching it, and others were halfway through watching it when it went away. Do people reading the expiring manga have any way of catching this news if they don't see this thread?

I wonder whether the lack of transparency until the eleventh hour may be related to safe business practices when dealing with Japan, as explained here: /forumtopic-1008795/winter-2018-simulcasts?pg=18#57178651 But then, Netflix doesn't make their expiration dates public until, what, a month in advance, or less? I'm not really sure because I usually only subscribe to Netflix for one month per year.

(All that said, I subscribe annually to CR only for anime, and there's so much of it here that even if 2/3 of the catalog went away immediately after my sub renewed for a year, I'd still have plenty to watch to make it worthwhile. I just wish the entire site could get the overhaul it needs.)


Hello! I know that Netflix gets rid of lots of shows weekly, but like you said, they usually have some indicator to show that it is going away. Netflix isn't a model I would like to see for Crunchyroll exactly since they do what you said only display the expiration date when there are 15 or 30 days left on a show. I know some contracts say that you cannot disclose the information of the contract (i.e. effective date and termination date, purchase price, and other terms and conditions), but I do believe that Crunchyroll is in a strong position to request to be able to display that information (just the termination date).

I have been burned a few times by Crunchyroll giving us an impossible or near impossible timeline to watch/read a anime or manga by because they didn't give us advanced notice. For example, in this round it is COPPELLION. That manga has over 26 volumes and I am on volume 3. Now I either have to purchase volume 4 to 26 for around $250 total on Amazon or try to read it as much as I can. Yes, it has been in my queue to read for a while at volume 3, but I didn't expect them to up and remove it entirely in such a short time. It is really crappy to have the rug pulled out from under you several times like Crunchyroll has done. I honestly don't buy that Crunchyroll doesn't have the authority to display their termination dates, they just don't want their customers to know because they hope to extend the license when it comes close to termination.

All I know is they should do something better for their customers. I have over 150 anime in my queue and I know I could organize which I watch better if I knew their license termination date. Sure, 30 or more may have the same date, but I could watch certain ones that expire in 6 months ahead of ones that expire in 3 years.
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Posted 2/18/18 , edited 2/18/18
Not looking good, though I know picking up manga is completely different from anime.
It's sad to see all these hits leave though.
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Posted 2/18/18 , edited 2/18/18

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Crap I have a ton of manga yet to read as I've been more focused on anime lately. And most of the good and big titles are by Kodansha. I guess we're lucky that you're still getting the Kodansha simulpubs, if I'm trying to find a silver lining here, given the nature of most publishers...

What format are the ebooks? Can we read them on PC or any device or not? I am assuming DRM as usual too?

Also I find it strange that the manga book shop is in the CR anime app and not the manga app.


There's a little more info about the Manga Shop in this thread where it was introduced:

/forumtopic-984767/crunchyroll-android-app-update-introducing-the-manga-shop

One thing to note is that most (possibly all--I didn't look at every title) of the titles listed as going away from the app but available for purchase in CR's Manga Shop are also legally available in digital format elsewhere where you may have more flexible options. I looked specifically on Amazon, but assume you can find them at other major ebook sellers like Barnes and Noble too.


Thanks for the info. It doesn't appear that I can even purhcase it outside the mobile app and transferring / reading it outside can be an issue. I'll just stick with other sources then.

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So what I'm getting from all of the recent announcements regarding your manga section is that I should drop my Premium+ because the manga selection won't be worth subbing for. That's really sad, I enjoy reading various series on my tablet during work commutes. Off to go change my sub status, I suppose.
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So what I'm getting from all of the recent announcements regarding your manga section is that I should drop my Premium+ because the manga selection won't be worth subbing for. That's really sad, I enjoy reading various series on my tablet during work commutes. Off to go change my sub status, I suppose.


Ever since Crunchyroll restructured memberships and introduced what are called Premium and Premium+ (almost 3 years ago) there has been no difference in manga access between them. So, sorry to break it to you, but if the only reason you've stayed with a Premium+ membership is for manga, you should have dropped it long ago since it doesn't give you that (the Manga service is included already with regular Premium.)

http://www.crunchyroll.com/en/premium_comparison

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Why even have manga at all. It just keeps getting worse and worse even as we have complained so many times for it to get better. It just isn't happening. Please spare us and just shut it down already. It just isn't worth it.

Really sad that English digital manga is such a sad state. The only decent online manga is Viz's WSJ, which is pretty sad considering they're one of the worst companies and are only lucky because of their Shueisha/Shogakukan relationship.
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Really sad that English digital manga is such a sad state. The only decent online manga is Viz's WSJ, which is pretty sad considering they're one of the worst companies and are only lucky because of their Shueisha/Shogakukan relationship.


idk I like what I've seen of Comixology. Not having Unlimited in Canada has turned me away from it though.
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Posted 2/18/18 , edited 2/18/18

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I honestly don't buy that Crunchyroll doesn't have the authority to display their termination dates, they just don't want their customers to know because they hope to extend the license when it comes close to termination.

Maybe. I certainly wouldn't want to be responsible for making PR decisions with these announcements.... Back at Netflix, I saw The Boondocks reach its published expiration date, only to suddenly have its license renewed. If I'd wasted time trying to binge it, I might have been annoyed that it didn't go away.
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I have never baught into the manga aspect of this service its been useless and dissapointing one of the worst services i have ever used. compared to netflix and hulu for anime this place has better titles. The playback for those titles suck and have real bad show playback. i only use this service just to watch anime and then only once in a while since the quallity is horrendous. American anime sceen is bad anyways
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That's fine and all but the j-drama section is in desperate need of some attention.
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Posted 2/19/18 , edited 2/19/18
Shitty move giveing virtually no prior notice of removing so people don't have time to read series they might had plans to read and are forced to buy separately. The manga service was already crappy and it just got worse.
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As someone who only reads or watches something when its complete , this disturbs me.
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