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Posted 2/18/08

Regulus133 wrote:
*Yes, on the grounds that it is illegal.

How would you punish/sentence them?


*Not in the eyes of the law, but it's acceptable in my eyes.
What makes it acceptable in your eyes?

*Everything is a part of nature, but you're probably just asking if other animals do it. They do.

Eh, I know about the fact that animals are doing this too. But people tend to make a big differentiation between humans and animals. But looking at our instinct, we fear death, and women give birth to life so that there might be a next generation and life on this earth might go on, so isn't this somehow against the average humans instinct?

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Posted 2/18/08

MidnightZorya wrote:


Regulus133 wrote:
*Yes, on the grounds that it is illegal.

How would you punish/sentence them?


*Not in the eyes of the law, but it's acceptable in my eyes.
What makes it acceptable in your eyes?

*Everything is a part of nature, but you're probably just asking if other animals do it. They do.

Eh, I know about the fact that animals are doing this too. But people tend to make a big differentiation between humans and animals. But looking at our instinct, we fear death, and women give birth to life so that there might be a next generation and life on this earth might go on, so isn't this somehow against the average humans instinct?

Flo~


1.) Same way we deal with other murders, though many cases might involve some kind of duress that should be examined.

2.) Complicated. I don't really like how we attempt to preserve all human life for the sake of life itself. I really don't think it's all that valuable, and a life of unhappiness and/or physical suffering does not seem worthwhile to me. Of course, I wouldn't think to push my perspective upon other people that way, but we can't really communicate with infants to find out what they want. Besides, there are other reasons to do it. People who can't take care of themselves place a burden on society or at least some members of society, have the potential to continue entering the gene pool to produce more people like them, etc. Maybe I sound cruel, but I think of it as kind for more people in the long run. We've also messed up our natural evolution with all of this preservation of life, but I won't get into that. There is no imperative that we evolve biologically, especially if we're "evolving" technologically.

3.) It's hard to separate human instinct from social effects sometimes, and different instincts may be stronger in different people (for example, my girlfriend-who-is-basically-my-wife and I don't intend to have a baby because we value other aspects of life). I don't think it's really unnatural to get rid of another person for the sake of what you perceive to be your own survival. Sometimes we act without full consideration of our options, without awareness of our current emotional state... and then we're often too troubled to try to fix it afterwards, too.

And let it be noted that I don't really perceive a difference between humans and animals like others do.
Posted 2/22/08
It looks like my thread is a flop, and maybe nobody really cares about this issue, though it is quite actual. =/

Anyways here is a statistical analysis - United States(quoted from this site -------> http://www.infanticide.org/history.htm)


Statistical Analysis - United States

Statistically, the United States ranks high on the list of countries whose inhabitants kill their children. For infants under the age of one year, the American homicide rate is 11th in the world, while for ages one through four it is 1st and for ages five through fourteen it is fourth. From 1968 to 1975, infanticide of all ages accounted for almost 3.2% of all reported homicides in the United States.

The 1980's followed similar trends. Whereby overall homicide rates were decreasing in the United States, the rate at which parents were killing their children was increasing, In 1983, over six hundred children were reported killed by their parents, and from 1982-1987, approximately 1.1% of all homicides were children under the age of one year of age. When the homicide of a child was committed by a parent, it was the younger age child who was in the greater danger of being killed, while if the killer was a non-parent, then the victim was generally older.

The characterization of the type of parent that is likely to kill their child has changed little over the years. As far back as the middle ages, the children of the poor "Were by far the most common victims of the parental negligence and despair." Today, infanticide is still most commonly seen in areas of severe poverty.

And just as infanticide was described as a crime that was committed by the mother in medieval times, such a likelihood remains true today. Although men are more likely to murder in general, statistical review of prosecutions show that infanticide is usually committed by the mother. When mothers killed their children, however, the victim was usually a newborn baby or younger infant. Some research shows that for murders of children over the age of one year in the United States, white fathers were the perpetrators 10% more often than white mothers, and black fathers 50% more than black mothers.

Other risk factors can include young maternal age, low level of education and employment, and signs of psychopathology, such as alcoholism, drug abuse or other criminal behavior. The most common method of killing children over the ages has been head trauma, strangulation and drowning. Most of the murders today are committed with the use of the mother's hands, either by strangulation or physical punishment.


Also on this site/link are statistics about infanticide in the US(very interesting) -----> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/children.htm
Another interesting thing to look at:
Infanticide, Abortion Responsible for 60 Million Girls Missing in Asia --------> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281722,00.html

Well, that's just for the people who are interested to read a little =]

Also what is your opinion on that issue?

Flo~
Posted 3/27/08
Not direct infanticide, as the child is still alive, but still worthy to mention:
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Posted 3/27/08
How do people do these things, and not feel bad...
Posted 3/27/08
Just thinking of someone doing that makes me sick...and saying or better put blaming it on insanity is stupid...you had that baby living inside of you its a part of you...how dare you kill something so innocent that has done nothing to harm you...if you really feel like killing something how about you kill yourself...it's better than doing that to a baby...
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Posted 5/9/08 , edited 5/9/08
It's always hard to imagine why people do such things to human life, especially if it is their own offspring. Many of these questions you asked are something I haven't formed an opinion on yet, but I do find the question posed in the pieces you've quoted to be interesting.

Just what exactly goes through the mind of young girls when deciding that they are going to end the life of their child, perhaps after minutes giving birth? Let's take into account the situations in which seem most likely to be a cause of infanticide: culture, social/economic burden, and mental instability/education.

I can't really address this from a cultural standpoint asides from America's, because I'm not worldly in a sense to understand other customs in which they practice this... but the other topics I can give my thoughts on it.

In regards to social and economic burden, it can be understood as an underlying factor which drives mothers to commit such an act. Sometimes the financial constraints of having a child is just too much to bear when trying to make end's meat. Emotionally, it can be taxing as well; the amount of time caring for a newborn greatly takes up any free moments for one to enjoy themselves. Really, I want to give these people the benefit of the doubt in that the decision to kill is what they believe to be their absolute last resort.

This leads my thoughts on mental instability. It can be assumed that some people just aren't ready to have a child. In situations in which the pregnancies are unplanned, the suddenness of bringing in a new life isn't always welcome. This overwhelming sense of being trapped in this situation can be the deciding factor for these women, enough to push them over the edge to kill on impulse.

And this leads me my own question: Just how many cases of infanticide in America are ones that involve women with lower education and social/economic status? I haven't check into this yet, but my thoughts that if someone is educated enough, they would know that there are more sensible alternatives. It's my assumption that these people might not know better because.. well, they just don't know.
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Posted 5/9/08
It must be hard for the parent but glad that the infants are not conscious yet, though i feel a bit sad that those infants might not get a chance to experience life but still if you are a religious person it might not be so if you believe in reincarnation or god who might just give those souls another chance who knows.If those infants are born they would be rejected by there parents in these cases and life for them might suck so much but at the end we are all dead anyways!
I am neutral on this sry
Posted 5/9/08

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It must be hard for the parent but glad that the infants are not conscious yet, though i feel a bit sad that those infants might not get a chance to experience life but still if you are a religious person it might not be so if you believe in reincarnation or god who might just give those souls another chance who knows.If those infants are born they would be rejected by there parents in these cases and life for them might suck so much but at the end we are all dead anyways!
I am neutral on this sry


Well, I am not sure, but what I understood from your post it seems to me that you think of an infant as of an unborn child. Infants are newborns, or children, so I honestly think that they feel pain.

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Posted 5/9/08
Desperate times call for desperate measures.I think that's pretty self-explanatory.
I personally do think it's wrong in all angles, but then again who are we to judge what's right or wrong, what's just or unjust, or what's what or what?(T.T")
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Posted 5/9/08
I've heard of news regarding these happenings... of people viewing babies alike as if it were a cause for embarrassment... blaming them (babies) for the humiliation they actually brought to themselves... humans can be really narrow minded...
It's wrong... and really i'll have to say life for life...
No, i don't think that it's a good way to control population... if that happens we'll be nothing less than murderers...
nope.
Obviously, not... the newborn didn't choose to be like this or like that... people have to understand that some things just has to be...
Fear in suffering the consequences of an action, i have no right to judge them, they have their own reasons...but it is wrong...
To think before you leap...
As long as their's life i don't think that it right to cut it off...
No. Animals don't have intellect nor free will... they do things by will of instinct... therefore if we fall for infanticide we're acting just like animals...


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Posted 5/9/08
I don't understand how a person (not animal. they can eat there young) can carry a life in them for 9 months then after it's born throw it away like garbage. Why continue with an unwanted pregnancy in the first place? Use some type of birth control...There are so many options out there to consider if you do have an unwanted pregnancy. You can take a morning after pill after you have unprotected sex of course everything has possible side effects. Have an abortion. Take the abortion pill (Mifepristone and Misoprostol) which you can take up to 8 weeks pregnant or less. Their is even herbal tea that can possibly induce your period. There are homes for unwed mothers a person can go to. Give up for adoption. This happened in my home town the only reason she was caught was because she needed help expelling the placenta and the ER nurse was like where is your baby?! She and her boyfriend had threw her healthy newborn in the local graveyard dumpsters. The baby was dead by the time it was located. She and her boyfriend were sentenced to prison(which they deserved).I'm from a super small town so this was like front page new for like ever.
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