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good for you KueChang for posting this. it was right on.
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KueChang wrote:


tobydiah wrote:



lol. I'm not saying that you're ignorant or attacking you. I was just using an example of the photos and what some people might do/think in regards to my argument. Nothing wrong with feeling emotional about troubles that soldiers endure nor is it wrong to show respect and support for something you believe deserves it. Just as long as it is well-thought out. I just get annoyed when any soldier friend comes back and talks about the benefits of being one: girls, get out of tickets, people respect them, they can fight, etc. I'm like, "wow. I'm glad our soldiers are being mature and modest about this."


Wow. That's not mature huh?

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lol. Yea. I just try to ignore what they say and roll my eyes.

Too many people in the military start off right after high school or in their 20s if they need work, don't go to college, or if they are doing poorly in college. So, too many young guys are in it and pumped up about the wrong things. I'm generalizing of course. But a big problem with our military is the fact that it still remains a rich man's war and a poor man's fight. If you look at statistical data, the average person in the military has a low GPA, test scores, and low ASVAB score. I'm trying to say that many of our soldiers would not have enlisted if they had scholarships to Harvard, filthy rich, or were busy with careers.

I, however, do support our troops. (not the military decisions of our generals and government) While not going overboard, I do think it's socially important for people in the military to get emotional support during hard times. I hope that they all stay safe and return home safely. I just don't want to glorify the military nor underestimate being a civilian.
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im srry but i dont remember anyone asking american soldiers to "accidently" kill civilians and stay for a couple of extra months they are the US army right?? and they dont exactly force u into the army u have to sign up and stuff thts not the same everywhere.... anywayz all i knw is tht this is world war III.... and soon all will see... also another question, in the word of a great comedian "do u knw what army uniform iraqi troops wear? .... dont worry ill wait..."


if your part of the world wasn't so backward and fucked up we wouldn't have to go there.
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they are Heroes
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well said man - well said
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HypnoSurf22 wrote:


Demented3 wrote:

im srry but i dont remember anyone asking american soldiers to "accidently" kill civilians and stay for a couple of extra months they are the US army right?? and they dont exactly force u into the army u have to sign up and stuff thts not the same everywhere.... anywayz all i knw is tht this is world war III.... and soon all will see... also another question, in the word of a great comedian "do u knw what army uniform iraqi troops wear? .... dont worry ill wait..."


if your part of the world wasn't so backward and fucked up we wouldn't have to go there.


have u ever been to my part of the world....im guessing no and tht wold make u the ignorant one...
Posted 2/17/08
This is exactly my point. USA soldiers WANT to be fighting for their homeland, that's why they BECAME soldiers. If we're just gonna pull them out, JUST LIKE THAT then they think that they're fighting for nonesense.

This is amazing, I read this off a myspace bulletin & it moved me.
--Thanks for sharing.
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HypnoSurf22 wrote:

good for you KueChang for posting this. it was right on.


Don't say that. O_o It makes me feel weird.
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Some of this is true but some of it is also exaggerated...I know that they are fighting oversee in a war but it still somewhat irritates me when people overuse the word "Hero" on them...The word "Hero" should be sacred and given to only those who have done a great deed for their nation like: stopping a terrorist attack or assassination or doing something absolutely amazing in the army like saving a comrade's life and carrying him back to safe territory with enemies chasing...I know some in the army are heroes but the rest are just simply soldiers...don't overpraise them...(although you should continue supporting them...)...
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How is this topic supposed to spark discussion? The only discussion this thread can possibly have would be to acknowledge or not to acknowledge the harsh conditions the soldiers live in, which is stupid, because anyone who disagrees would most likely be flamed. The nicer way of calling this thread would be advertisement and the not so nice way of calling it would be propaganda.
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Not everyone in the army "fights for the homeland". There are so many benefits that the military can provide to a soldier, that they feel nothing else, but compelled to sign up and enlist. When you join the war, you're expected to fight it and your life is in the hands of the gov't. Want to know why the suicide rate of soldiers suddenly spurred as of recent? THEY WANT OUT. A good amount of people who enlisted wanted benefits, but they expected it to come so easy, which of course is very blindsighted daydreaming. Sure they thought, "If I join the army, I'll get money, girls, education and pretty much kick anybodys ass!", but when they get assigned a post in Iraq a few weeks they start to shit bricks because the reality of war is too harsh. They call in to get pulled out of Iraq and when the gov't says no shit happens.

Now I know for a fact not all the soldiers have this mindset, but what I'm trying to get at is that they don't have the mindset of "FIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY" either.

At any rate, the discussion is very poorly delivered and pretty much asks for a biased response from the people who read it, and anyone who says otherwise is pretty much shitted on.

I don't see a problem with supporting troops; without them, this country would be pretty much fucked. But don't go on driving in an advertisement to parade our soldiers in a fight they sure as hell don't want to be in.

The military campaign could've been won in 2003 AND SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE IN 2003. But no, we obviously had to get involved in the daily lives of Iraq. You think that they want to still keep fighting in there now?
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tobydiah wrote:

Pfhhhh This isn't a discussion thread. This is a US military advertisement.

Keep in mind that almost every soldier in the US are "voluntarily working" for money, training, resume, etc. This isn't WWII where people go defend their country. The military is a career option now. If someone gets shot or is tired in the military, they should have expected the possibility of it. I wanted to join the military too for idealistic reasons as well as to know the experience of being a soldier. But I would not care is I got respect for it. It's just a job. So soldiers need to quit fishing for compliments and expecting "mad props". Soldiers are normal people who happen to be working for the military. I have the same amount of respect for most of them as I would a normal person. The very few who have moral fiber and joined for the purpose of doing what they thought was just, I do respect them a bit more. But you can say the same thing about a teacher who cares about their profession.


ok well first of all i wanna say that ur view is definatley lacking some thought ..... no matter what they're out there getting shot at for ppl like u, meaning... americans , ... its still ultimatley their decision to go out there n put on a uniform for our country... How about u appreciate that.. consider who ur talkin to... my dads in the army and has been deployed.... there are guys out there who are trying to support their families while across the world in iraq, defending their country. I know families and friends who've lost a loved one, and to hear something like this is tottally uncalled for. bottom line is, step into their boots before talking .... no matter what, anyone who puts on a uniform and is on the front line deserve respect...they go through things and see things u couldnt even begin to imagine. .. and another thing is... soldiers for the most part are not trying to fish for compliments , thats jus an ignorant remark.... the media, and other groups of course want to pay some respect to those who go to iraq or anywhere overseas. It a duty that you're not doing, so be thankful someone else is.
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Not everyone in the army "fights for the homeland". There are so many benefits that the military can provide to a soldier, that they feel nothing else, but compelled to sign up and enlist. When you join the war, you're expected to fight it and your life is in the hands of the gov't. Want to know why the suicide rate of soldiers suddenly spurred as of recent? THEY WANT OUT. A good amount of people who enlisted wanted benefits, but they expected it to come so easy, which of course is very blindsighted daydreaming. Sure they thought, "If I join the army, I'll get money, girls, education and pretty much kick anybodys ass!", but when they get assigned a post in Iraq a few weeks they start to shit bricks because the reality of war is too harsh. They call in to get pulled out of Iraq and when the gov't says no shit happens.

Now I know for a fact not all the soldiers have this mindset, but what I'm trying to get at is that they don't have the mindset of "FIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY" either.

At any rate, the discussion is very poorly delivered and pretty much asks for a biased response from the people who read it, and anyone who says otherwise is pretty much shitted on.

I don't see a problem with supporting troops; without them, this country would be pretty much fucked. But don't go on driving in an advertisement to parade our soldiers in a fight they sure as hell don't want to be in.

The military campaign could've been won in 2003 AND SHOULD'VE BEEN DONE IN 2003. But no, we obviously had to get involved in the daily lives of Iraq. You think that they want to still keep fighting in there now?


wow seriously.... dont give an opinion to what you dont know....
....... reallly..... it just sounds really ignorant.....
I've lived around the military all my life ok.. my dads in the army..

heres what you say "Want to know why the suicide rate of soldiers suddenly spurred as of recent? THEY WANT OUT."

of course its increased.. gahhh!? .. its a war?!... -.- ..
ok... im just going to tell you why ..... imagine having your buddies killed in front of you're eyes... imagine the guilt they feel when they was helpless to prevent it. it takes a toll... im not sayin suicide is justified cause its never rite... but .... theres more to it..

... anyone who is in iraq... im pretty dam sure they have the mindset to defend our country.. when they're being bombed, shot at, or hit IEDs. im sure they're pretty much thinking they gotta defend themselves, they're buddy next to them, and they're country at whole..... if anyone was there and they didnt have that mindset in a situation of "war" has mental issues...

ignorance doesnt make u look good...... and apperently you're mindset is backwards....

and if people joined for girls, and money... there would be a 1000's lined up for enlistment -.- .... seriously wtf.. are u that retarded???? The army has a shortage of recruits, and enlistment has decreased over the years ... and if anything people join cause thats there only option.. yeaaa... or to support them through college... but there still is an initial will to defend our country.. if not they wouldnt have joined... just like im sure u wouldnt.. ---- so stop judging and generalizing... im sure ur comfortable in your nice suburban house, and all you can do for our country is show some respect please. thanks
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tobydiah wrote:

Pfhhhh This isn't a discussion thread. This is a US military advertisement.

Keep in mind that almost every soldier in the US are "voluntarily working" for money, training, resume, etc. This isn't WWII where people go defend their country. The military is a career option now. If someone gets shot or is tired in the military, they should have expected the possibility of it. I wanted to join the military too for idealistic reasons as well as to know the experience of being a soldier. But I would not care is I got respect for it. It's just a job. So soldiers need to quit fishing for compliments and expecting "mad props". Soldiers are normal people who happen to be working for the military. I have the same amount of respect for most of them as I would a normal person. The very few who have moral fiber and joined for the purpose of doing what they thought was just, I do respect them a bit more. But you can say the same thing about a teacher who cares about their profession.


ok well first of all i wanna say that ur view is definatley lacking some thought ..... no matter what they're out there getting shot at for ppl like u, meaning... americans , ... its still ultimatley their decision to go out there n put on a uniform for our country... How about u appreciate that.. consider who ur talkin to... my dads in the army and has been deployed.... there are guys out there who are trying to support their families while across the world in iraq, defending their country. bottom line is, step into their boots before talking .... no matter what, anyone who puts on a uniform and is on the front line deserve respect... .. and another thing is... soldiers for the most part are not trying to fish for compliments , thats jus an ignorant remark.... the media, and other groups of course want to pay some respect to those who go to iraq or anywhere overseas. It a duty that you're not doing, so be thankful someone else is.


I never said that soldiers are wrong or what they are doing is wrong. But if I'm out there, I don't expect people to pat me on the back and call me a hero. That's glory searching just like the days of warriors back the middle ages wanting recognition. I can't go over every single aspect and support to make this statement completely solid unless someone is willing to pay me or something; but not every soldier out there joins the military to save us or help their country.

Plus. You're biased. Obviously, someone who has a family member in the military will find this offensive just as someone who is Christian might find a statement counter to Christian religious beliefs offensive. My dad was in the military as well as my grandfather. My grandfather was in the army for many years and retired as a captain. I respect his job and the work he's put in. But I still am not going to put him on a pedestal. That's not thinking logically and just letting melodramatic ideas get in my head.
If you're dad is in the military for idealistic reasons, that's very honorable for him to be a soldier. If he is in it for the same reasons as many others who are there to make a living, I respect him in the sense that he is working hard to support his family. Please. I never said people in the military were bad or that everyone was a glory hound. I said many of them are. If you think I meant your father as among many of them, then I must obviously know him. Oh nvm. I don't. So, this isn't directed at him. Because I say that many Americans are getting obese doesn't mean that I am nor you are. So, don't take it personally. This is a logical, analytical discussion. Not something that should be clouded by personal emotions.

Every military buff or fan talks about stepping into their boots or going into a gun fight. You're right about the fact that I truly don't know what it's like in a military assault. But I'm not talking about military assaults or hard times in during war. Of course, I don't know about that. But was I talking about how fighting in the military is easy? No. I'm talking about whether being a soldier deserves merit over civilians. I personally don't think a title or job title defines anyone. You want me to honor the guy who raped the girl in Okinawa? Hm.. What I'm getting at is the fact that each person earns his respect and honor on his own. (just as each individual earns disrespect and punishment) The idea of serving one's country through military means sounds honorable and respectable but that does not make me think that soldiers are better or are doing their duty. Hell. Many (not all. so please don't generalize my statements again) soldiers in Iraq don't even want to be there or are personally against what we are doing. But they are risking their lives out there and sering the country. Many of them didn't choose to go risk there lives. They're risking their lives because they signed a contract agreeing to follow orders. If they don't go when told to, they are disobeying an order. If the US ever gets invaded or there is need of soldiers for a military decision that I support, I'll enlist and go through my 9 weeks and be off to risk my life and serve my country as well.

It is a duty that I'm not doing? Being a soldier is not a duty. Being a father is a duty. Going into battle when you're a soldier is their duty. Being a US soldier is a job. How the hell can only someone who stepped in the boots of a soldier be the only one who can talk about whether that same person deserves special respect compared to a civilian or not? Obviously, if soldiers are the only ones who can talk about whether a soldier is more honorable (or w.e this thread implies) than a civilian, they're going to mostly take one side. It's comparing black and white people and only allowing white people to talk.

Like I said. I do appreciate soldiers who join and go fight for good reasons. I don't support soldiers who are there for the wrong reasons. It's a job with a very appealing title but being a soldier doesn't make you better than anyone else. Those pictures are showing the best of a soldier where they are suffering or doing their duty. And when talking about civilians, it's talking about people who are complaining or behaving selfishly. You should never compare the good examples of one group and the bad of another. That's not a valid social commentary. It's propaganda or a grossly one-sided commentary. I also support our troops in battle whether they are good or bad people since it morally helps them feel better about their country and its people when I give them my emotional support. But I make sure to also look at things as logically and unbiased as possible. I'm not out there to judge the military or attack people in the armed forces. I'm merely talking about people who don't see things objectively and those who blindly support the military. I think my appreciation for a soldier is more valuable since I've thought about it very hard and believe they deserve it; rather than someone who just gets caught up by photos and media immediately supporting them without really giving it critical thought.
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Right on.....
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