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tobydiah wrote:


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Pfhhhh This isn't a discussion thread. This is a US military advertisement.

Keep in mind that almost every soldier in the US are "voluntarily working" for money, training, resume, etc. This isn't WWII where people go defend their country. The military is a career option now. If someone gets shot or is tired in the military, they should have expected the possibility of it. I wanted to join the military too for idealistic reasons as well as to know the experience of being a soldier. But I would not care is I got respect for it. It's just a job. So soldiers need to quit fishing for compliments and expecting "mad props". Soldiers are normal people who happen to be working for the military. I have the same amount of respect for most of them as I would a normal person. The very few who have moral fiber and joined for the purpose of doing what they thought was just, I do respect them a bit more. But you can say the same thing about a teacher who cares about their profession.


ok well first of all i wanna say that ur view is definatley lacking some thought ..... no matter what they're out there getting shot at for ppl like u, meaning... americans , ... its still ultimatley their decision to go out there n put on a uniform for our country... How about u appreciate that.. consider who ur talkin to... my dads in the army and has been deployed.... there are guys out there who are trying to support their families while across the world in iraq, defending their country. bottom line is, step into their boots before talking .... no matter what, anyone who puts on a uniform and is on the front line deserve respect... .. and another thing is... soldiers for the most part are not trying to fish for compliments , thats jus an ignorant remark.... the media, and other groups of course want to pay some respect to those who go to iraq or anywhere overseas. It a duty that you're not doing, so be thankful someone else is.


I never said that soldiers are wrong or what they are doing is wrong. But if I'm out there, I don't expect people to pat me on the back and call me a hero. That's glory searching just like the days of warriors back the middle ages wanting recognition. I can't go over every single aspect and support to make this statement completely solid unless someone is willing to pay me or something; but not every soldier out there joins the military to save us or help their country.

Plus. You're biased. Obviously, someone who has a family member in the military will find this offensive just as someone who is Christian might find a statement counter to Christian religious beliefs offensive. My dad was in the military as well as my grandfather. My grandfather was in the army for many years and retired as a captain. I respect his job and the work he's put in. But I still am not going to put him on a pedestal. That's not thinking logically and just letting melodramatic ideas get in my head.
If you're dad is in the military for idealistic reasons, that's very honorable for him to be a soldier. If he is in it for the same reasons as many others who are there to make a living, I respect him in the sense that he is working hard to support his family. Please. I never said people in the military were bad or that everyone was a glory hound. I said many of them are. If you think I meant your father as among many of them, then I must obviously know him. Oh nvm. I don't. So, this isn't directed at him. Because I say that many Americans are getting obese doesn't mean that I am nor you are. So, don't take it personally. This is a logical, analytical discussion. Not something that should be clouded by personal emotions.

Every military buff or fan talks about stepping into their boots or going into a gun fight. You're right about the fact that I truly don't know what it's like in a military assault. But I'm not talking about military assaults or hard times in during war. Of course, I don't know about that. But was I talking about how fighting in the military is easy? No. I'm talking about whether being a soldier deserves merit over civilians. I personally don't think a title or job title defines anyone. You want me to honor the guy who raped the girl in Okinawa? Hm.. What I'm getting at is the fact that each person earns his respect and honor on his own. (just as each individual earns disrespect and punishment) The idea of serving one's country through military means sounds honorable and respectable but that does not make me think that soldiers are better or are doing their duty. Hell. Many (not all. so please don't generalize my statements again) soldiers in Iraq don't even want to be there or are personally against what we are doing. But they are risking their lives out there and sering the country. Many of them didn't choose to go risk there lives. They're risking their lives because they signed a contract agreeing to follow orders. If they don't go when told to, they are disobeying an order. If the US ever gets invaded or there is need of soldiers for a military decision that I support, I'll enlist and go through my 9 weeks and be off to risk my life and serve my country as well.

It is a duty that I'm not doing? Being a soldier is not a duty. Being a father is a duty. Going into battle when you're a soldier is their duty. Being a US soldier is a job. How the hell can only someone who stepped in the boots of a soldier be the only one who can talk about whether that same person deserves special respect compared to a civilian or not? Obviously, if soldiers are the only ones who can talk about whether a soldier is more honorable (or w.e this thread implies) than a civilian, they're going to mostly take one side. It's comparing black and white people and only allowing white people to talk.

Like I said. I do appreciate soldiers who join and go fight for good reasons. I don't support soldiers who are there for the wrong reasons. It's a job with a very appealing title but being a soldier doesn't make you better than anyone else. Those pictures are showing the best of a soldier where they are suffering or doing their duty. And when talking about civilians, it's talking about people who are complaining or behaving selfishly. You should never compare the good examples of one group and the bad of another. That's not a valid social commentary. It's propaganda or a grossly one-sided commentary. I also support our troops in battle whether they are good or bad people since it morally helps them feel better about their country and its people when I give them my emotional support. But I make sure to also look at things as logically and unbiased as possible. I'm not out there to judge the military or attack people in the armed forces. I'm merely talking about people who don't see things objectively and those who blindly support the military. I think my appreciation for a soldier is more valuable since I've thought about it very hard and believe they deserve it; rather than someone who just gets caught up by photos and media immediately supporting them without really giving it critical thought.



I know where you're coming from and what you're saying. I wasnt asking you to put every single person in the military on a pedestal. However, I was just trying to shed some light on this issue, not to attack you, but only to give another side to it. What you said had some truth, but also is one sided. Yes, I agree that some soldiers are giving the rest a bad name but they shouldn't account for everyone else. Yes, some are there against their own will but yet they still face the fact that they're there to defend our country. Now, you may not see that but they still are.

I've lived overseas in Germany and Korea. Recently Korea. Yes, some soldiers, mostly the younger ones out of highschool, do stir up trouble and make the rest look bad. No matter what though, when anyones placed in a situation where they've got people shooting at them their mindset is definatley going to change. They'll realize the fact that they're there to defending our country and its the real thing then. So in that sesne I respect anyone who's been on the front lines.
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who cares the soldiers know theres a risk of getting killed but still go and die.
But yeah i might do it be fun to kill and be killed
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CloudStrife7XAC wrote:

who cares the soldiers know theres a risk of getting killed but still go and die.
But yeah i might do it be fun to kill and be killed


uhh no comment....
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I know where you're coming from and what you're saying. I wasnt asking you to put every single person in the military on a pedestal. However, I was just trying to shed some light on this issue, not to attack you, but only to give another side to it. What you said had some truth, but also is one sided. Yes, I agree that some soldiers are giving the rest a bad name but they shouldn't account for everyone else. Yes, some are there against their own will but yet they still face the fact that they're there to defend our country. Now, you may not see that but they still are.

I've lived overseas in Germany and Korea. Recently Korea. Yes, some soldiers, mostly the younger ones out of highschool, do stir up trouble and make the rest look bad. No matter what though, when anyones placed in a situation where they've got people shooting at them their mindset is definatley going to change. They'll realize the fact that they're there to defending our country and its the real thing then. So in that sesne I respect anyone who's been on the front lines.


I do respect the situation they are in and it is a very serious situation for any soldier to be in a hostile environment. And I don't necessarily agree with everything I say. I just try to make sure to provide facts and ideas contrary to popular beliefs since I think too many people get swayed by emotional images, advertisements, or social pressure. Like I said, I don't know your dad so he could be an honorable soldier who loves his country and wishes to be a part of a vital job in our country. (I don't know that however unless I really get to know him) But judging by how much you respect your father, I can see that he has my respect as a father and provider; since any man who gains the respect and love of their child probably is a great father. But, I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that he would appreciate my respect for him and his colleagues even more; if I looked over it critically and thought it through and found them to be very honorable and respectable.
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tobydiah wrote:


natenate88 wrote:

I know where you're coming from and what you're saying. I wasnt asking you to put every single person in the military on a pedestal. However, I was just trying to shed some light on this issue, not to attack you, but only to give another side to it. What you said had some truth, but also is one sided. Yes, I agree that some soldiers are giving the rest a bad name but they shouldn't account for everyone else. Yes, some are there against their own will but yet they still face the fact that they're there to defend our country. Now, you may not see that but they still are.

I've lived overseas in Germany and Korea. Recently Korea. Yes, some soldiers, mostly the younger ones out of highschool, do stir up trouble and make the rest look bad. No matter what though, when anyones placed in a situation where they've got people shooting at them their mindset is definatley going to change. They'll realize the fact that they're there to defending our country and its the real thing then. So in that sesne I respect anyone who's been on the front lines.


I do respect the situation they are in and it is a very serious situation for any soldier to be in a hostile environment. And I don't necessarily agree with everything I say. I just try to make sure to provide facts and ideas contrary to popular beliefs since I think too many people get swayed by emotional images, advertisements, or social pressure. Like I said, I don't know your dad so he could be an honorable soldier who loves his country and wishes to be a part of a vital job in our country. (I don't know that however unless I really get to know him) But judging by how much you respect your father, I can see that he has my respect as a father and provider; since any man who gains the respect and love of their child probably is a great father. But, I'm pretty sure (not 100%) that he would appreciate my respect for him and his colleagues even more; if I looked over it critically and thought it through and found them to be very honorable and respectable.


Well thanks for being open minded, appreciate it. I understand you're perspective as well.

Well, I see that you're korean too. My families currently still stationed in Korea. I'm going back to visit this summer.

Hey well I might as well add you as a buddy haha.
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bcoz of the STandard and skill... USA troops are the best in the world!!!!!!!!
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I don't really care if people think this is either military propaganda or advertisement. All I care about is my friends and family currently serving in the armed forces. My cousin just came back from Iraq thank goodness in okay condition. I remember his first week their he called my aunt and apologized for everything he did in the past, because he had just survived his first IED without a scratch but also losing some buddies. He called to tell her that he loved the family and probably wasn't going to make it home. I know not every soldier is honorable, but people like that are found every where in the world. My other cousin can be deployed at anytime and he is not in it for the glory his answer when questioned by fellow military why he doesn't tell people about being in the military to get discounts "I don't need to showboat that I'm in the military. I'm doing this to protect my family and my country" What I've seen from my family and friends they didn't 't come back the same from war and that really hurts. I realize this isn't how everyone is affected, but its just what I have experienced. I'm constantly being recruited by their superiors to join the armed forces because nurses are needed. I know many nurses that worked in MASH like unit and that's just something I can't emotionally do. I thank those who join our armed forces for honorable reasons and follow the correct conducts. Here's a pic of one of my stinky butt "What I've called since he was a baby and forced to assist with changing his diaper" cousin being a bumm on a day of rest
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oh nice thingy you got that lol and AMEN to all that
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CloudStrife7XAC wrote:

who cares the soldiers know theres a risk of getting killed but still go and die.
But yeah i might do it be fun to kill and be killed


umm WTH just WTH
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Posted 2/18/08
All I have to say is this bullshit war needs to end already. It's funny how people think terrorism is something new, it has been and will always be around. There is no way of getting rid of it. We've been in the middle east for how long now and what have we actually accomplished? Oh ya NOTHING. Its Vietnam all over again, how many more innocent lives do we need to lose in order for us to pull out?
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They create problem not for their country but other countries arounds. They are fighting for oil in iraq and killing innocent people in afghanistan. As for as Bin laden is concern i am sure he is enjoying his life in some where in white house or camp david .Alqaida is just creation of CIA and nothing more.
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they killing Innocent people

if they face problem and they can't live a good life its same for iraq can't u see the childreen and the people suffring from them they get killed every single day its just like they are not humen being they are human not animal its killing me too to see them suffer

huh what the fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jermaine47 wrote:

All I have to say is this bullshit war needs to end already. It's funny how people think terrorism is something new, it has been and will always be around. There is no way of getting rid of it. We've been in the middle east for how long now and what have we actually accomplished? Oh ya NOTHING. Its Vietnam all over again, how many more innocent lives do we need to lose in order for us to pull out?


you sound like a fuckin moron
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Ah, rhetoric. We're dumb, narrow-minded, lazy, weak, arrogant, and generally bad - they're the opposite. Please. People cannot be evaluated simply by a stereotype, nor can they be evaluated simply by their actions. Even the very idea of evaluating someone is absurd.

Like tobydiah, I do not respect people differently just because they are supposedly "fighting for freedom."
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