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Looking at the poster it gives hope that they will keep this dark and gritty. As for the rape stuff it's there to keep the nail in that these are one of the most cruelest monsters out there that people keep underestimating because they are 'simply' goblins merely pests that newbies can go deal with. The added grit and cruelty of these creatures add weight and purpose to the Goblin Slayer as he is completely obsessed with destroying their kind to the point of being unhealthy.

It'll be a disservice to the source material if content is censored and it would lessen the importance of why Goblin Slayer is Goblin Slayer.

I wonder if they'll give the characters proper names or continue with how they are called from the novel/manga.


The last line of "proper" names drives in the point many people gesture at. That this series relies on shock and gore far more often than it does adequate story telling.

To explain why this is a bad thing, some consider overreliance on such to be the emotionally heavy but narrative empty equivalent of a 30 second video of a dog being kicked. There's no reasoning why to care, we just do because it evokes a reflexive reaction.

Anyone can do this to the very least, but the narrative is bankrupted if everyone is merely reduced to roles and victims.

There is a proper way to use rape, but to use it so cheaply is neither dark or gritty; it is juvenile. Whether or not it applies here is up to the reader, and I only read to chapter 16 of the manga adaptation. (Or possible 24, I may be getting this mixed up with Akame ga Zero. Yes, I am reading for fanservice.)



The story is about a person with intense childhood trauma so much so that his social skills have been massively hampered, how is very actions make him seem more robotic due to turning into an otaku with the sole purpose of killing X thing and how to learn to better kill X thing that cause said trauma. People are turned away from him due to his obsession mostly dismissing him as another weirdo.

And while people are so foolish about goblins and their threat, is because those that have dealt with goblins have either encounter only a very few or were unfortunate enough to encounter a full on nest and get completely overrun.

How the goblins even function is basically they steal plunder and kill. That is how they survive and grow, how is a goblin nest formed? When a goblin kidnaps women for breeding. How do they get stronger? They learn from experience at an alarming rate, each time they survive an encounter they learn and grow rapidly from it.

As for the politics behind why people are so dismissive to goblins, is because there are freaking demons and demon lords and those without names that are a far greater threat (aka world ending threat) constantly attacking, that the kingdoms cannot send armies at a simple goblin nest when adventurers (more known as ruffians and such) are left to deal with it. There's a chapter dedicated to the newer characters attempting to recruit goblin slayer because of it.

Goblin's do not reward valor or a lot of money, so to adventurers (who on the most part are after fame glory and money) ignore these quests and go for trolls or bandits and such.

This is a DnD campaign where there are two DM's one that is about order while the other is about chaos, read the light novel and a lot more is explained. You have an entity calle Goblin Slayer that by normal means should have had is roll of the dice dictate his fate much like many other adventurers, yet he is always thinking outside of the box, the normal 'rules' that ties down the action of a normal adventurer.


You can justify anything within the narrative of the story or the fictitious rules of the universe, but then you can justify anything at that point. Irregular At Magic High School justifies Tatsuya's view of the weak, but comes off a self absorbed intent to simplify real world issues towards an unmitigating and general unaccepted view. You can also use this reasoning to defend The Turner Diaries (A book detailing the fictional genocide of nonwhites, who are often depicted with more animalistic traits.), or any other such works. In anime, this often crops up as an excuse for fanservice, (But they have to be nude and female and underaged to use these special battle exosuits!)

Point is, I don't find your line of reasoning to be something that should always be used. It should not cover up bad writing, or downright immoral ideals, of what amounts to an in universe fact check.

In the same manner, one can reason out that Goblin Slayer is robotic and such for in story reasons, but I find it to be bollocks. You can have well developed characters who are single minded. To be fair, he does show a bit of growth, in relation to the main heroine who he seeks to additionally protect.

And the reasoning is exactly what I am arguing against. It doesn't make sense unless you heavily change the way how the world would work with "real" people, who would be far more privy to the threat, if not downright discriminatory and genocidal themselves against any nonhuman entities.

Which in the end, isn't me arguing against fantastical elements, but how it roots its world into the actions of an understandable group of people. Of course, even ignoring the premise, because I have to accept things as they are, you are right, but...

Where's the world building? You can't give me a bunch of offhanded comments for me to glib such things about the world and expect me to feel satisfied anymore than one can fight what are essentially the same type of antagonists till I become bored. You cannot give me such a dull hero and heroine and expect me to feel anything.

In the end, I feel the series is barebones from what I have read so far. There doesn't appear to be that much effort in establishing the world, and just barely more for its characters.
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Looking at the poster it gives hope that they will keep this dark and gritty. As for the rape stuff it's there to keep the nail in that these are one of the most cruelest monsters out there that people keep underestimating because they are 'simply' goblins merely pests that newbies can go deal with. The added grit and cruelty of these creatures add weight and purpose to the Goblin Slayer as he is completely obsessed with destroying their kind to the point of being unhealthy.

It'll be a disservice to the source material if content is censored and it would lessen the importance of why Goblin Slayer is Goblin Slayer.

I wonder if they'll give the characters proper names or continue with how they are called from the novel/manga.


The last line of "proper" names drives in the point many people gesture at. That this series relies on shock and gore far more often than it does adequate story telling.

To explain why this is a bad thing, some consider overreliance on such to be the emotionally heavy but narrative empty equivalent of a 30 second video of a dog being kicked. There's no reasoning why to care, we just do because it evokes a reflexive reaction.

Anyone can do this to the very least, but the narrative is bankrupted if everyone is merely reduced to roles and victims.

There is a proper way to use rape, but to use it so cheaply is neither dark or gritty; it is juvenile. Whether or not it applies here is up to the reader, and I only read to chapter 16 of the manga adaptation. (Or possible 24, I may be getting this mixed up with Akame ga Zero. Yes, I am reading for fanservice.)



The story is about a person with intense childhood trauma so much so that his social skills have been massively hampered, how is very actions make him seem more robotic due to turning into an otaku with the sole purpose of killing X thing and how to learn to better kill X thing that cause said trauma. People are turned away from him due to his obsession mostly dismissing him as another weirdo.

And while people are so foolish about goblins and their threat, is because those that have dealt with goblins have either encounter only a very few or were unfortunate enough to encounter a full on nest and get completely overrun.

How the goblins even function is basically they steal plunder and kill. That is how they survive and grow, how is a goblin nest formed? When a goblin kidnaps women for breeding. How do they get stronger? They learn from experience at an alarming rate, each time they survive an encounter they learn and grow rapidly from it.

As for the politics behind why people are so dismissive to goblins, is because there are freaking demons and demon lords and those without names that are a far greater threat (aka world ending threat) constantly attacking, that the kingdoms cannot send armies at a simple goblin nest when adventurers (more known as ruffians and such) are left to deal with it. There's a chapter dedicated to the newer characters attempting to recruit goblin slayer because of it.

Goblin's do not reward valor or a lot of money, so to adventurers (who on the most part are after fame glory and money) ignore these quests and go for trolls or bandits and such.

This is a DnD campaign where there are two DM's one that is about order while the other is about chaos, read the light novel and a lot more is explained. You have an entity calle Goblin Slayer that by normal means should have had is roll of the dice dictate his fate much like many other adventurers, yet he is always thinking outside of the box, the normal 'rules' that ties down the action of a normal adventurer.


You can justify anything within the narrative of the story or the fictitious rules of the universe, but then you can justify anything at that point. Irregular At Magic High School justifies Tatsuya's view of the weak, but comes off a self absorbed intent to simplify real world issues towards an unmitigating and general unaccepted view. You can also use this reasoning to defend The Turner Diaries (A book detailing the fictional genocide of nonwhites, who are often depicted with more animalistic traits.), or any other such works. In anime, this often crops up as an excuse for fanservice, (But they have to be nude and female and underaged to use these special battle exosuits!)

Point is, I don't find your line of reasoning to be something that should always be used. It should not cover up bad writing, or downright immoral ideals, of what amounts to an in universe fact check.

In the same manner, one can reason out that Goblin Slayer is robotic and such for in story reasons, but I find it to be bollocks. You can have well developed characters who are single minded. To be fair, he does show a bit of growth, in relation to the main heroine who he seeks to additionally protect.

And the reasoning is exactly what I am arguing against. It doesn't make sense unless you heavily change the way how the world would work with "real" people, who would be far more privy to the threat, if not downright discriminatory and genocidal themselves against any nonhuman entities.

Which in the end, isn't me arguing against fantastical elements, but how it roots its world into the actions of an understandable group of people. Of course, even ignoring the premise, because I have to accept things as they are, you are right, but...

Where's the world building? You can't give me a bunch of offhanded comments for me to glib such things about the world and expect me to feel satisfied anymore than one can fight what are essentially the same type of antagonists till I become bored. You cannot give me such a dull hero and heroine and expect me to feel anything.


That is a you problem then, dark fantasy is not for you go watch something else.
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Azure2290 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Azure2290 wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


Azure2290 wrote:

Looking at the poster it gives hope that they will keep this dark and gritty. As for the rape stuff it's there to keep the nail in that these are one of the most cruelest monsters out there that people keep underestimating because they are 'simply' goblins merely pests that newbies can go deal with. The added grit and cruelty of these creatures add weight and purpose to the Goblin Slayer as he is completely obsessed with destroying their kind to the point of being unhealthy.

It'll be a disservice to the source material if content is censored and it would lessen the importance of why Goblin Slayer is Goblin Slayer.

I wonder if they'll give the characters proper names or continue with how they are called from the novel/manga.


The last line of "proper" names drives in the point many people gesture at. That this series relies on shock and gore far more often than it does adequate story telling.

To explain why this is a bad thing, some consider overreliance on such to be the emotionally heavy but narrative empty equivalent of a 30 second video of a dog being kicked. There's no reasoning why to care, we just do because it evokes a reflexive reaction.

Anyone can do this to the very least, but the narrative is bankrupted if everyone is merely reduced to roles and victims.

There is a proper way to use rape, but to use it so cheaply is neither dark or gritty; it is juvenile. Whether or not it applies here is up to the reader, and I only read to chapter 16 of the manga adaptation. (Or possible 24, I may be getting this mixed up with Akame ga Zero. Yes, I am reading for fanservice.)



The story is about a person with intense childhood trauma so much so that his social skills have been massively hampered, how is very actions make him seem more robotic due to turning into an otaku with the sole purpose of killing X thing and how to learn to better kill X thing that cause said trauma. People are turned away from him due to his obsession mostly dismissing him as another weirdo.

And while people are so foolish about goblins and their threat, is because those that have dealt with goblins have either encounter only a very few or were unfortunate enough to encounter a full on nest and get completely overrun.

How the goblins even function is basically they steal plunder and kill. That is how they survive and grow, how is a goblin nest formed? When a goblin kidnaps women for breeding. How do they get stronger? They learn from experience at an alarming rate, each time they survive an encounter they learn and grow rapidly from it.

As for the politics behind why people are so dismissive to goblins, is because there are freaking demons and demon lords and those without names that are a far greater threat (aka world ending threat) constantly attacking, that the kingdoms cannot send armies at a simple goblin nest when adventurers (more known as ruffians and such) are left to deal with it. There's a chapter dedicated to the newer characters attempting to recruit goblin slayer because of it.

Goblin's do not reward valor or a lot of money, so to adventurers (who on the most part are after fame glory and money) ignore these quests and go for trolls or bandits and such.

This is a DnD campaign where there are two DM's one that is about order while the other is about chaos, read the light novel and a lot more is explained. You have an entity calle Goblin Slayer that by normal means should have had is roll of the dice dictate his fate much like many other adventurers, yet he is always thinking outside of the box, the normal 'rules' that ties down the action of a normal adventurer.


You can justify anything within the narrative of the story or the fictitious rules of the universe, but then you can justify anything at that point. Irregular At Magic High School justifies Tatsuya's view of the weak, but comes off a self absorbed intent to simplify real world issues towards an unmitigating and general unaccepted view. You can also use this reasoning to defend The Turner Diaries (A book detailing the fictional genocide of nonwhites, who are often depicted with more animalistic traits.), or any other such works. In anime, this often crops up as an excuse for fanservice, (But they have to be nude and female and underaged to use these special battle exosuits!)

Point is, I don't find your line of reasoning to be something that should always be used. It should not cover up bad writing, or downright immoral ideals, of what amounts to an in universe fact check.

In the same manner, one can reason out that Goblin Slayer is robotic and such for in story reasons, but I find it to be bollocks. You can have well developed characters who are single minded. To be fair, he does show a bit of growth, in relation to the main heroine who he seeks to additionally protect.

And the reasoning is exactly what I am arguing against. It doesn't make sense unless you heavily change the way how the world would work with "real" people, who would be far more privy to the threat, if not downright discriminatory and genocidal themselves against any nonhuman entities.

Which in the end, isn't me arguing against fantastical elements, but how it roots its world into the actions of an understandable group of people. Of course, even ignoring the premise, because I have to accept things as they are, you are right, but...

Where's the world building? You can't give me a bunch of offhanded comments for me to glib such things about the world and expect me to feel satisfied anymore than one can fight what are essentially the same type of antagonists till I become bored. You cannot give me such a dull hero and heroine and expect me to feel anything.


That is a you problem then, dark fantasy is not for you go watch something else.


I enjoy Dark Fantasy, but I extend my criticism to My SmartPhone In Another World to Goblin Slayer.

Where is the world to be set up? The characters to be known?

I apologize if I seem pugnacious, or that I didn't understand your arguments. I feel I did dismiss the specific reasonings you gave out a bit too...unsatisfying, so I apologize. Just has been a long weekend so far, so my brain may be a bit turned off.

Though my view to an extent stems from the idea that I would at least like lovable characters, or understandable ones. Depth or enjoyment, essentially. Though this takes upon my criticism of what makes a bad psychological thriller for the most part. (The idea being that those labeled as psychological thrillers better for the most part be psychologically based, if I make sense.)
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Looking forward to this show but i hope it wont be too much censored cause of its graphic nature.


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I enjoy Dark Fantasy, but I extend my criticism to My SmartPhone In Another World to Goblin Slayer.

Where is the world to be set up? The characters to be known?


Can't really compare both shows since My SmartPhone In Another World is more a generic light themed harem Isekai while goblin slayer story is more dark & gruesome in nature. if you want more info feel free to check the wiki for the series:

http://goblin-slayer.wikia.com/wiki/Goblin_Slayer_Wiki
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riem2k wrote:

Looking forward to this show but i hope it wont be too much censored cause of its graphic nature.


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I enjoy Dark Fantasy, but I extend my criticism to My SmartPhone In Another World to Goblin Slayer.

Where is the world to be set up? The characters to be known?


Can't really compare both shows since My SmartPhone In Another World is more a generic light themed harem Isekai while goblin slayer story is more dark & gruesome in nature. if you want more info feel free to check the wiki for the series:

http://goblin-slayer.wikia.com/wiki/Goblin_Slayer_Wiki


My criticisms are the same, in that they are both largely underdeveloped, and some may gesture that the motives behind both series are largely similar. To use gimmicks to appeal to a certain demographic, whether it be gore or isekai, for the sake of sales.

I won't say that the author's focus is for certain that, and some factors point out otherwise, but after having caught up, I am at the point where I believe there simply isn't much world building to be had, nor any characterization besides Goblin Slayer, who I found to be tepid but otherwise bearable as a protagonist. He's not terrible disinteresting, he just needs to be more fleshed out more beyond a few mere self statements. Everyone else are background decorations at this point, but of course, am aforementioned is likely right.

The light novels probably contains much more material than what the manga has currently shown

In other words, I am just nonplussed. The story so far just...exists. Nothing special, not too much effort or creativity put in, nothing to get attached to. Ultimately, my problem isn't the rape. It's just forgettable.
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Looking forward to this show but i hope it wont be too much censored cause of its graphic nature.

Unless they water it down, I expect any presentation of this series outside of an airing on AT-X will be censored to hell and back.

I haven't read the source material myself, but I've seen some examples, including that one where goblins are using bruised and bloodied naked women bound to shields as a defense.

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I really like this series, been reading the novels for some time now. However,with all the goblin-rape, they're gonna have to censor the hell out of this.

Actually, the rape is my one major gripe with the story. You could remove all the goblin-rape in it and still have the exact same story, every bit as good, gritty, and gory, barring a handful of scenes that could easily be changed to fit the narrative. It's 100% there for shock factor.
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riem2k wrote:

Looking forward to this show but i hope it wont be too much censored cause of its graphic nature.


PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I enjoy Dark Fantasy, but I extend my criticism to My SmartPhone In Another World to Goblin Slayer.

Where is the world to be set up? The characters to be known?


Can't really compare both shows since My SmartPhone In Another World is more a generic light themed harem Isekai while goblin slayer story is more dark & gruesome in nature. if you want more info feel free to check the wiki for the series:

http://goblin-slayer.wikia.com/wiki/Goblin_Slayer_Wiki



Ultimately, my problem isn't the rape. It's just forgettable.


To put it bare bones it doesn't catch your attention really. Which, is not really anything to be ashamed or even argue about. The story doesn't grasp your attention at all as you stated in the last line.

I enjoy the manga and looking forward to the anime.

HOWEVER....

I'm not sure how they are going to pull it off. The dark/horror/rape scenes are supposed to put a mood on the story itself as well and cutting them out cuts out the basis of why the goblins slayer does what he does and helps set the tone.

If all else fails, the manga is still there really.

Each their own, no worries if you don't like it or believe it to be forgettable...not really a big deal to be honest.
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To put it bare bones it doesn't catch your attention really. Which, is not really anything to be ashamed or even argue about. The story doesn't grasp your attention at all as you stated in the last line.

I enjoy the manga and looking forward to the anime.

HOWEVER....

I'm not sure how they are going to pull it off. The dark/horror/rape scenes are supposed to put a mood on the story itself as well and cutting them out cuts out the basis of why the goblins slayer does what he does and helps set the tone.

If all else fails, the manga is still there really.

Each their own, no worries if you don't like it or believe it to be forgettable...not really a big deal to be honest.


My strangest praise, as I have been told, is that the rape dies down greatly after 4 chapter, leading me to believe the author intends for it be more than fetish fuel or more than just overly reliant on shock factor.

That there are things I could point out to that could make for a reasonably decent story. Goblin Slayer in particular is a bit rough, but his rationale for wholesale goblin extermination is succinct as it is palatable. His tactics as a silver ranked adventurer are mired in practicality and efficiency. Seeing him in battle could make for great fight scenes that aren't drench in unnecessary glamour. He genuinely cares for our protagonist, who in turns cares for him in a manner that doesn't quite fit the hackneyed trope of being smittened with one's savior. This humanizes him and makes him easier to care for.

The story hints at a larger force to be reckoned with rather than simply goblins, who so far have only produced the more dangerous hobgoblins and ogres. Nearly every adventurer we have seen isn't quickly reduced to fodder past chapter 4, especially those who recruited Goblin Slayer later on. This includes a few female adventurers, which the boon for this series is that it doesn't seem interested in the meaningless death and misery of its cast. This isn't something I can praise in many other similar series. (Yes, I was disappointed too, in a lewd manner.)

However, I criticize it due to a lack of characterization, and world building. You have all the set up for our heroic Goblin Slayer, but he doesn't scream interesting. His rationale is simple, his actions understandable, but I don't see a place where he can exercise dynamism. He isn't particularly flawed or have any growth to do, and his relationship with the heroine is simple and saccharine, but it is just that.

After a few chapters, I wonder what the author will do with him past a certain point. He slays goblins sure, he has an obsession, but I don't believe that it should demean him of character, as much as help define him.

World building wise, the idea of sending a bunch of pearl tiered adventures on what should be a dangerous quest out of their leagues is confusing, and how the world operates. Of course, there isn't much to argue against, which is precisely my problem thus far. Very few things are established.

I am not criticizing the dark in dark fantasy, but the fantasy of itself. I think fantasy can allow for greater freedom of rules and customs in order to explore facets of humanity and ethical dilemmas that are in principle applicable to real life. This is seen in the end of chapter 2 (?), where Goblin Slayers considers the idea of "good" goblins, and puts forth a damning argument for why he feels he needs to do this.

There just isn't a world to explore, or characters to get too emotionally invested in, is what I am saying. This series, if anything else, has a bit more potential than what the first four chapters would say. My main criticism towards the rape is more applicable to the fandom. Sure, it is gritier, darker fantasy, but what is there to like? I don't quite understand any of the praise without assuming that it is the result of implying what is not, a fetish fascination with works that use rape to establish a gritter tone, or any other gimmicky appeals. I don't like to assume.

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To put it bare bones it doesn't catch your attention really. Which, is not really anything to be ashamed or even argue about. The story doesn't grasp your attention at all as you stated in the last line.

I enjoy the manga and looking forward to the anime.

HOWEVER....

I'm not sure how they are going to pull it off. The dark/horror/rape scenes are supposed to put a mood on the story itself as well and cutting them out cuts out the basis of why the goblins slayer does what he does and helps set the tone.

If all else fails, the manga is still there really.

Each their own, no worries if you don't like it or believe it to be forgettable...not really a big deal to be honest.


My strangest praise, as I have been told, is that the rape dies down greatly after 4 chapter, leading me to believe the author intends for it be more than fetish fuel or more than just overly reliant on shock factor.

That there are things I could point out to that could make for a reasonably decent story. Goblin Slayer in particular is a bit rough, but his rationale for wholesale goblin extermination is succinct as it is palatable. His tactics as a silver ranked adventurer are mired in practicality and efficiency. Seeing him in battle could make for great fight scenes that aren't drench in unnecessary glamour. He genuinely cares for our protagonist, who in turns cares for him in a manner that doesn't quite fit the hackneyed trope of being smittened with one's savior. This humanizes him and makes him easier to care for.

The story hints at a larger force to be reckoned with rather than simply goblins, who so far have only produced the more dangerous hobgoblins and ogres. Nearly every adventurer we have seen isn't quickly reduced to fodder past chapter 4, especially those who recruited Goblin Slayer later on. This includes a few female adventurers, which the boon for this series is that it doesn't seem interested in the meaningless death and misery of its cast. This isn't something I can praise in many other similar series. (Yes, I was disappointed too, in a lewd manner.)

However, I criticize it due to a lack of characterization, and world building. You have all the set up for our heroic Goblin Slayer, but he doesn't scream interesting. His rationale is simple, his actions understandable, but I don't see a place where he can exercise dynamism. He isn't particularly flawed or have any growth to do, and his relationship with the heroine is simple and saccharine, but it is just that.

After a few chapters, I wonder what the author will do with him past a certain point. He slays goblins sure, he has an obsession, but I don't believe that it should demean him of character, as much as help define him.

World building wise, the idea of sending a bunch of pearl tiered adventures on what should be a dangerous quest out of their leagues is confusing, and how the world operates. Of course, there isn't much to argue against, which is precisely my problem thus far. Very few things are established.

I am not criticizing the dark in dark fantasy, but the fantasy of itself. I think fantasy can allow for greater freedom of rules and customs in order to explore facets of humanity and ethical dilemmas that are in principle applicable to real life. This is seen in the end of chapter 2 (?), where Goblin Slayers considers the idea of "good" goblins, and puts forth a damning argument for why he feels he needs to do this.

There just isn't a world to explore, or characters to get too emotionally invested in, is what I am saying. This series, if anything else, has a bit more potential than what the first four chapters would say. My main criticism towards the rape is more applicable to the fandom. Sure, it is gritier, darker fantasy, but what is there to like? I don't quite understand any of the praise without assuming that it is the result of implying what is not, a fetish fascination with works that use rape to establish a gritter tone, or any other gimmicky appeals. I don't like to assume.


To be frank with you, you're putting too much emphasis on why you're not interested. I'm not really sure what else to tell other than what I've said in my last post. You don't find anything about the story/characters/setting to be of any interest. Again, there isn't anything wrong with not liking it lol. I'm not really trying to pick at you for not liking it, I'm just pointing out that you don't find it something your style of anime. So I hope you don't think I'm trying to argue with you. I see what you're saying, I'm just pointing out what you're saying in short words.

I mean, if you want me to explain my point of view of it I will but I don't feel like it give you an idea as to why people, I for one, like it. I can try anyways lol.

No hard feelings again, I'm not against you not liking/getting/interested in it so don't take what I'm saying in an offensive manner.



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To put it bare bones it doesn't catch your attention really. Which, is not really anything to be ashamed or even argue about. The story doesn't grasp your attention at all as you stated in the last line.

I enjoy the manga and looking forward to the anime.

HOWEVER....

I'm not sure how they are going to pull it off. The dark/horror/rape scenes are supposed to put a mood on the story itself as well and cutting them out cuts out the basis of why the goblins slayer does what he does and helps set the tone.

If all else fails, the manga is still there really.

Each their own, no worries if you don't like it or believe it to be forgettable...not really a big deal to be honest.


My strangest praise, as I have been told, is that the rape dies down greatly after 4 chapter, leading me to believe the author intends for it be more than fetish fuel or more than just overly reliant on shock factor.

That there are things I could point out to that could make for a reasonably decent story. Goblin Slayer in particular is a bit rough, but his rationale for wholesale goblin extermination is succinct as it is palatable. His tactics as a silver ranked adventurer are mired in practicality and efficiency. Seeing him in battle could make for great fight scenes that aren't drench in unnecessary glamour. He genuinely cares for our protagonist, who in turns cares for him in a manner that doesn't quite fit the hackneyed trope of being smittened with one's savior. This humanizes him and makes him easier to care for.

The story hints at a larger force to be reckoned with rather than simply goblins, who so far have only produced the more dangerous hobgoblins and ogres. Nearly every adventurer we have seen isn't quickly reduced to fodder past chapter 4, especially those who recruited Goblin Slayer later on. This includes a few female adventurers, which the boon for this series is that it doesn't seem interested in the meaningless death and misery of its cast. This isn't something I can praise in many other similar series. (Yes, I was disappointed too, in a lewd manner.)

However, I criticize it due to a lack of characterization, and world building. You have all the set up for our heroic Goblin Slayer, but he doesn't scream interesting. His rationale is simple, his actions understandable, but I don't see a place where he can exercise dynamism. He isn't particularly flawed or have any growth to do, and his relationship with the heroine is simple and saccharine, but it is just that.

After a few chapters, I wonder what the author will do with him past a certain point. He slays goblins sure, he has an obsession, but I don't believe that it should demean him of character, as much as help define him.

World building wise, the idea of sending a bunch of pearl tiered adventures on what should be a dangerous quest out of their leagues is confusing, and how the world operates. Of course, there isn't much to argue against, which is precisely my problem thus far. Very few things are established.

I am not criticizing the dark in dark fantasy, but the fantasy of itself. I think fantasy can allow for greater freedom of rules and customs in order to explore facets of humanity and ethical dilemmas that are in principle applicable to real life. This is seen in the end of chapter 2 (?), where Goblin Slayers considers the idea of "good" goblins, and puts forth a damning argument for why he feels he needs to do this.

There just isn't a world to explore, or characters to get too emotionally invested in, is what I am saying. This series, if anything else, has a bit more potential than what the first four chapters would say. My main criticism towards the rape is more applicable to the fandom. Sure, it is gritier, darker fantasy, but what is there to like? I don't quite understand any of the praise without assuming that it is the result of implying what is not, a fetish fascination with works that use rape to establish a gritter tone, or any other gimmicky appeals. I don't like to assume.


To be frank with you, you're putting too much emphasis on why you're not interested. I'm not really sure what else to tell other than what I've said in my last post. You don't find anything about the story/characters/setting to be of any interest. Again, there isn't anything wrong with not liking it lol. I'm not really trying to pick at you for not liking it, I'm just pointing out that you don't find it something your style of anime. So I hope you don't think I'm trying to argue with you. I see what you're saying, I'm just pointing out what you're saying in short words.

I mean, if you want me to explain my point of view of it I will but I don't feel like it give you an idea as to why people, I for one, like it. I can try anyways lol.

No hard feelings again, I'm not against you not liking/getting/interested in it so don't take what I'm saying in an offensive manner.




Sorry, I like discussion. I was here hoping I did not make you angry myself.

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I thought my feeling of disgust towards this series/story had reached the maximum, then read this and I just have no words to fit this level of disgusting-ness.
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To put it bare bones it doesn't catch your attention really. Which, is not really anything to be ashamed or even argue about. The story doesn't grasp your attention at all as you stated in the last line.

I enjoy the manga and looking forward to the anime.

HOWEVER....

I'm not sure how they are going to pull it off. The dark/horror/rape scenes are supposed to put a mood on the story itself as well and cutting them out cuts out the basis of why the goblins slayer does what he does and helps set the tone.

If all else fails, the manga is still there really.

Each their own, no worries if you don't like it or believe it to be forgettable...not really a big deal to be honest.


My strangest praise, as I have been told, is that the rape dies down greatly after 4 chapter, leading me to believe the author intends for it be more than fetish fuel or more than just overly reliant on shock factor.

That there are things I could point out to that could make for a reasonably decent story. Goblin Slayer in particular is a bit rough, but his rationale for wholesale goblin extermination is succinct as it is palatable. His tactics as a silver ranked adventurer are mired in practicality and efficiency. Seeing him in battle could make for great fight scenes that aren't drench in unnecessary glamour. He genuinely cares for our protagonist, who in turns cares for him in a manner that doesn't quite fit the hackneyed trope of being smittened with one's savior. This humanizes him and makes him easier to care for.

The story hints at a larger force to be reckoned with rather than simply goblins, who so far have only produced the more dangerous hobgoblins and ogres. Nearly every adventurer we have seen isn't quickly reduced to fodder past chapter 4, especially those who recruited Goblin Slayer later on. This includes a few female adventurers, which the boon for this series is that it doesn't seem interested in the meaningless death and misery of its cast. This isn't something I can praise in many other similar series. (Yes, I was disappointed too, in a lewd manner.)

However, I criticize it due to a lack of characterization, and world building. You have all the set up for our heroic Goblin Slayer, but he doesn't scream interesting. His rationale is simple, his actions understandable, but I don't see a place where he can exercise dynamism. He isn't particularly flawed or have any growth to do, and his relationship with the heroine is simple and saccharine, but it is just that.

After a few chapters, I wonder what the author will do with him past a certain point. He slays goblins sure, he has an obsession, but I don't believe that it should demean him of character, as much as help define him.

World building wise, the idea of sending a bunch of pearl tiered adventures on what should be a dangerous quest out of their leagues is confusing, and how the world operates. Of course, there isn't much to argue against, which is precisely my problem thus far. Very few things are established.

I am not criticizing the dark in dark fantasy, but the fantasy of itself. I think fantasy can allow for greater freedom of rules and customs in order to explore facets of humanity and ethical dilemmas that are in principle applicable to real life. This is seen in the end of chapter 2 (?), where Goblin Slayers considers the idea of "good" goblins, and puts forth a damning argument for why he feels he needs to do this.

There just isn't a world to explore, or characters to get too emotionally invested in, is what I am saying. This series, if anything else, has a bit more potential than what the first four chapters would say. My main criticism towards the rape is more applicable to the fandom. Sure, it is gritier, darker fantasy, but what is there to like? I don't quite understand any of the praise without assuming that it is the result of implying what is not, a fetish fascination with works that use rape to establish a gritter tone, or any other gimmicky appeals. I don't like to assume.


To be frank with you, you're putting too much emphasis on why you're not interested. I'm not really sure what else to tell other than what I've said in my last post. You don't find anything about the story/characters/setting to be of any interest. Again, there isn't anything wrong with not liking it lol. I'm not really trying to pick at you for not liking it, I'm just pointing out that you don't find it something your style of anime. So I hope you don't think I'm trying to argue with you. I see what you're saying, I'm just pointing out what you're saying in short words.

I mean, if you want me to explain my point of view of it I will but I don't feel like it give you an idea as to why people, I for one, like it. I can try anyways lol.

No hard feelings again, I'm not against you not liking/getting/interested in it so don't take what I'm saying in an offensive manner.




Sorry, I like discussion. I was here hoping I did not make you angry myself.



No, you're fine. The way you explain yourself just puts me at a loss at even trying to convince you. Especially since the discussion can only go so little considering how much you've read. So I mean, I don't mind discussing things...I just don't know what to discuss without you being generally against it for the most part or find it uninteresting lol. However, I can say this that I'm not upset/angry at you. Really I'm just shortening what you're saying. So, all good. =)


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