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In my case, it's the following:

1. VHS's and DVD's being rare, expensive, and containing only a few episodes of a series in each disk.

2. Only a few different blocks were willing to air anime, e.g. the Fox and CW 4Kids blocks, Jetix, Toonami, etc., and even then never really aired that many good or faithful dubs.

3. Self-entitled anime fans who put down newcomers to anime for not being as into the medium as they were at the time.

4. Pirating, because it all predated subscription-based streaming services like Crunchyroll, Netflix, and Hulu.

Which parts of the 90's/2000's anime boom did you consider the worst parts, and why?
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Hmm, probably the fact I could only watch stuff on TV blocks at certain times due to being like 12 years old at the time and only having dial up internet lol. I did not start buying or renting anime until DVDs had replaced VHS. Collecting shows in single DVD volumes was definitely not the most economical nor shelf space friendly, haha. I also had to be way more selective of what I bought because it cost $20-$30 to buy a 4-5 episode anime DVD at Best Buy. Though, despite the cost, it was kind of fun to have something to look forward to getting back then and feeling less entitled to stuff for free because internet like today. So, I guess, in general the biggest gripe I'd have is that it was much harder to watch shows back then than it is now due to the way stuff got licensed and distributed and not having high speed internet at home for another six years or so from when I first started watching anime.
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Commander_PonyShep wrote:

In my case, it's the following:

1. VHS's and DVD's being rare, expensive, and containing only a few episodes of a series in each disk.

2. Only a few different blocks were willing to air anime, e.g. the Fox and CW 4Kids blocks, Jetix, Toonami, etc., and even then never really aired that many good or faithful dubs.

3. Self-entitled anime fans who put down newcomers to anime for not being as into the medium as they were at the time.

4. Pirating, because it all predated subscription-based streaming services like Crunchyroll, Netflix, and Hulu.

Which parts of the 90's/2000's anime boom did you consider the worst parts, and why?


While I fully agree with you on points 1-3 being major problems point 4 was more a non-issue in the early days of anime. Back in those days many creators happily told fan-subbers/clubs to sub their works that would never arrive on non-Asian shores. If there were no licensing deals in place they had no problem. It was only after deals were offered that they retracted their support. Now we're looking at a whole new market where licensing deals are a daily thing/commonplace and unlike the old days piracy means a major loss of revenue.

What I think was more an issue back in the 90s/00s was a lack of licensing deals for many mainstream and well-known titles. Up until a few months ago and the debut of Hi-dive OVAs and Movies were lost in a huge hole in the anime market except sometimes by being included in full season sets. Now both Hi-dive and CR are going out of their way to give us OVAs to the shows they carry and one-shot movies that would have been a sin to never have seen in the best quality possible.
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It was really hard and really unreliable trying to find anime on the web.

I started watching anime in 2006 or so, just as crunchyroll was booting up and Vimeo hadn't yet turned into a site for funky indie shorts.
A lot of the anime that I watched, I watched because it was available. I remember struggling desperately to find any traces of Ojamajo Doremi, and only got the inbetween season - Naisho. I remember trying to watch Princess Tutu on youtube, where it was split into 3 parts, and sometimes you'd be missing chunks of episodes.
I never finished the Gash Bell anime because the fansubs just dropped off after a certain episode!

I didn't have cable, so I had no access to whatever was showing on TV. The only way I could get anime was through the internet, and if I wanted something that wasn't shounen jump, it was heck of a time trying to find it.

Things aren't perfect but I am so freaking thankful that streaming services exist. I think 12 year old me would smash a plate to hear that I can watch anime from Japan as it's airing, with subtitles available immediately and dubs coming shortly after.
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Love Hina
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It was the birthplace of the stuff people hate nowadays
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neugenx wrote:


Commander_PonyShep wrote:

In my case, it's the following:

1. VHS's and DVD's being rare, expensive, and containing only a few episodes of a series in each disk.

2. Only a few different blocks were willing to air anime, e.g. the Fox and CW 4Kids blocks, Jetix, Toonami, etc., and even then never really aired that many good or faithful dubs.

3. Self-entitled anime fans who put down newcomers to anime for not being as into the medium as they were at the time.

4. Pirating, because it all predated subscription-based streaming services like Crunchyroll, Netflix, and Hulu.

Which parts of the 90's/2000's anime boom did you consider the worst parts, and why?


While I fully agree with you on points 1-3 being major problems point 4 was more a non-issue in the early days of anime. Back in those days many creators happily told fan-subbers/clubs to sub their works that would never arrive on non-Asian shores. If there were no licensing deals in place they had no problem. It was only after deals were offered that they retracted their support. Now we're looking at a whole new market where licensing deals are a daily thing/commonplace and unlike the old days piracy means a major loss of revenue.

What I think was more an issue back in the 90s/00s was a lack of licensing deals for many mainstream and well-known titles. Up until a few months ago and the debut of Hi-dive OVAs and Movies were lost in a huge hole in the anime market except sometimes by being included in full season sets. Now both Hi-dive and CR are going out of their way to give us OVAs to the shows they carry and one-shot movies that would have been a sin to never have seen in the best quality possible.


Pretty much this. Between high price and limited access (no licenses), it was difficult. And then when it did happen, the licensing companies really tried to stick it to the fans.

fans are still obnoxious AF. just for different reasons.

the disregard for age brackets. Though now its kinda irrelevant for other reasons....
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Dub quality. Running home to catch the last few minutes of Tenchi Muyo.
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Honestly, all of the points the OP has made here hit the nail on the head. Personally I would add "access being limited to mainstream series" and "the constant overhanging threat of a series disappearing without any warning." There was a distinct lack of respect for Japanese media in the west even as recently as 2010, and western publishers were not afraid to stop localization of an anime or manga at the drop of hat without a sound reason.

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Oh wait, they still do that.
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it was harder to find non-shonen, non-commercial anime and also cgi was horrid. too much fan service.
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Boom? Anime never plateaued. It's been nothing but max gains.
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AlexSenko wrote:

Honestly, all of the points the OP has made here hit the nail on the head. Personally I would add "access being limited to mainstream series" and "the constant overhanging threat of a series disappearing without any warning." There was a distinct lack of respect for Japanese media in the west even as recently as 2010, and western publishers were not afraid to stop localization of an anime or manga at the drop of hat without a sound reason.

...

Oh wait, they still do that.


Forgot to bring those up. Thanks.

In-terms of mainstream series, I remember 4Kids dubbing Kirby: Right Back at Ya, Sonic X, and F-Zero GP Legend. I never got a chance to watch much of those series, but I remember tons of people throttling the living crap out of those series for (a) just being cheap, amateurish cash-ins on the games they were representing, and (b) desperate bids for 4Kids to repeat its success with Pokemon, alongside the slew of other Pokemon-style anime it dubbed or aired at the time, e.g. Di Gata Defenders, Fighting Foodons, Tai Chi Chasers, Shaman King, Dinosaur King, Chaotic, etc.

I also remember watching a few episodes of Mega Man NT Warrior on Kids WB, as well. If I were to watch the dub right now as an adult, I would have found a lot of garbage that would have never made it into the series if it weren't for all of that executive meddling, from terrible animation, to a formulaic story and characters, all the way up to the awful dubbing expected to anime released at the time despite it being from Viz Media, which wouldn't really do as much damage to a dub as others like 4Kids, Nelvana, and Haim Saban.
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gornotck wrote:

Boom? Anime never plateaued. It's been nothing but max gains.


Looking at how many companies have gone under or quit, added to the number of deaths of good writers/artists. I would respectfully have to disagree.
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Hmm... I think it's hard to simply say that anime as a medium did x well at y point because z, given that it's an entire medium, but I certainly see the argument you're making for a cause for concern. I think that comparing things the way they are right now compared to five or even ten years ago in a positive or negative light is somewhat unfair given how different the landscape is. Sure, we've lost some studios and big faces in the industry, but I don't think that's spelling out that anime's necessarily in a decline. Conversely, I don't think that the new generation coming into the industry necessarily spells out "max gains" either. Things are just different.

The one thing I think can be more definitively argued though, is that anime (and manga for this matter) is doing better than ever as far as exposure goes, and it seems like it's still on an upward trend as far as that is concerned. However imperfect the situation may be, at least most of the issues brought up by the OP and replies in this thread are far less severe than they were five or ten years ago.
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Fan service and eyes...





(i didn't watch anime until maybe 2012-13 so a bunch of these points didn't really matter to me at the time)
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