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Posted 2/21/18 , edited 2/22/18
Do people with unpopular opinions have the right to make money?
There have been many times I have heard people say, "I won't support this author because of their private opinions," or "They shouldn't be allowed to make money," or "If they become popular, people will listen to them." To me, this seems like a poor attitude. People's works should be bought because we like the work, not because we like the people. Also, isn't boycotting merchandise and art produced by people who hold unpopular opinion so they can't effectvely voice them a form of censorship? What's the point of free speech if the mob has an "agree with us or we'll get you fired and unable to prosper" mentality?
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I can see two sides to this.

I can see the reason why you wouldn't want to support someone with what could be percieved as harmful ideals in your opion and then the fact that you might indeed miss something or are missing something great even if their product doesn't mention or support those same opions or it could turn out to be very damaging and dangerous.

It's a tight thin line of black and white choosing in a grey situation.

I think this is a question to easier anwser years ago but not now in the current World.
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Research James Damore vs. google. Not only did google fire the man for exercising his first amendment right, but now he's being targeted by antifa, preventing him from giving speeches. All as a result of a memo expressing his views about sex disparities in the company’s workforce, which ironically was a dialogue that google had initially encouraged.
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Yes
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I think that it's completely up to what you choose to support. In art community there is alot of debate about should you support bad attitude artists or not. Tbh artists with better attitude get more customers because people love their personalities and it makes them want to support the person. If you are artists that doesn't take critisism and is rude to customers etc, everyone will turn their backs to you.
And as harsh as it is, artists that might be amazing but just don't have the social media following are usually forgotten.
But thats how artists community works, dunno about other.
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Unpopular, yes. As most people have at least one
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Yes, they have the right to make money. Yes, people also have the right to not buy the products of someone they don't like for whatever reason.

There's unpopular opinions and there's socially unacceptable opinions. People are allowed to hold both, people are allowed to express both to an extent (openly expressing some things in the latter category may well be illegal in some regions). Nobody has to listen to or condone anothers opinions.
Expressing an opinion that is unpopular is unlikely to have any lasting major effects.
Openly expressing an opinion that is deemed socially unacceptable is a choice that can lead to trouble down the line because while you can hold your opinions companies will also consider the impact employing you would have on their public image. I'm not up to date on my work law so I'm going to guess you can't get fired for this but it will certainly have an effect on people hiring you afterwards or extending your contract with your current employer or giving you projects to work on if you're a freelancer.

To bring up the most recent incident I'm aware of, if the opinion you express is anti-semitic and/or holocaust denial you're digging yourself a hole. You either find a company to work for that doesn't care and deal with a lot of people not supporting your products out of principle or you stop expressing that opinion in public.

People keep bringing up free speech in these debates, as far as I'm aware it simply doesn't apply but feel free to correct me on this.
To my understanding free speech gives you the right to express your opinion on any government owned venue and they can't shut you down as long as what you're expressing is not illegal. It does not mean people have to listen to you or agree. It also doesn't mean that any privately owned venue can't show you the door and deny you a platform to express your opinions.
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Yes, people should be able to make money to support themselves. And yes, people should also be able to "vote with their wallets" when they find someone's opinion odious. And since we live in a society where corporations are apparently considered people, businesses should be able to choose who to hire based on how they want to be represented.

Freedom to speak does not mean you have freedom from the social consequences of that speech. No one has the right to impose their speech upon others without reaction or comment, curtailing other people's free speech in the process.
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You know what.

If you make something good, I don't give a dam about your opinions, unless you're going to be all Hitler about it.

The author of so and so, creator of this, but he said something bad about this group of people. Who cares.

Everyone deserves to make money, that's how the world functions, it doesn't function on magical fairy dust provided by the great unicorn magician.

Do whatever you want, people dig their own graves just for opening their mouth, so who gives a dam. You can't say anything anymore if you want to make money. Just put your head down, say yes sir, ok sir, you're right sir. Collect your cheque, make your money.

Then you can say whatever the fuck you want, go nuts.

Isn't that how everyone functions? Lying to themselves to collect a pay cheque.

If something is good and you know you like it, buy it, support it, bring it to light. Don't fuck someone over because of petty shit, you are more in the wrong for doing so.


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People should be free to say whatever stupid thing they want to say

People should be free to buy/support whoever they want to support

People should be free to not buy/support from someone
Posted 2/22/18 , edited 2/22/18
They should be the only ones allowed to make money.
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it depends on what those opinions are, If they look down on people with disabilities and hate people of any ethnicity, like Asians, black people, Native Americans, Or gasp, even white people, they should not be allowed to make money
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I honestly find it stupid when people limit their choices because of a personal disregard that they have. I couldn't care less what the fucking guy who invented it did as long as my product works.
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qwueri wrote:

Yes, people should be able to make money to support themselves. And yes, people should also be able to "vote with their wallets" when they find someone's opinion odious. And since we live in a society where corporations are apparently considered people, businesses should be able to choose who to hire based on how they want to be represented.
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This is pretty reasonable. In the same vein as buyers voting with their dollars, so a seller should be able to vote with his merchandise. After all, money is just a tool to make trade easier; in lieu of it, they would be trading something else of value. Whether cash or barter, it's just two parties trading something of value for something of value. Both parties should equally be able to refuse to business with the other. To suggest the guy offering cash has the right but not the guy offering some other thing --that's completely unjustifiable inequality.

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Koji_Protolight wrote:

it depends on what those opinions are, If they look down on people with disabilities and hate people of any ethnicity, like Asians, black people, Native Americans, Or gasp, even white people, they should not be allowed to make money


I am curious about why this metric is somehow more worthy than any other. I understand the reasoning is that holding some view like that is assumed to be morally abominable and harmful to society.

However, I don't think children of racists or ethnocentrists are more likely to drop out of school, abuse drugs, have illegitimate children, steal, assault, or murder than anyone else. By comparison, children of divorced or unwed single mothers are more likely to do those things. Given that, then wouldn't it be more reasonable to say what you said, only about single mothers or divorced couples, moreso than ethnocentrists or racists? EDIT: I mean, if destroying one's livelihood as a form of punishment is valid, then shouldn't one of those two be more deserving, given how it affects society?
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