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Post Reply Vice President Mark Pence Said he talks to Jesus. Concerning school safety, what would Jesus tell him to do:
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Posted 2/22/18 , edited 2/22/18
Can arming teacher really make schools safe? I'm glad I don't have to go to school.
Posted 2/22/18 , edited 2/22/18
well do you feel restricting gun sale will stop criminals from getting them?
All it would do is stop the honest
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Firstly, I am not a christian nor do I believe in anything written in the Bible.

Secondly, might I just say that from what IS written in the bible, it seems Jesus is portrayed as mostly pacifistic in nature. It would thus seem to me VERY obvious IF this Jesus person was real and IF for some reason Pence could talk to him, that he'd tell him to stop being stupid and ban guns from the public.
Posted 2/22/18 , edited 2/22/18

ayporos wrote:

Firstly, I am not a christian nor do I believe in anything written in the Bible.

Secondly, might I just say that from what IS written in the bible, it seems Jesus is portrayed as mostly pacifistic in nature. It would thus seem to me VERY obvious IF this Jesus person was real and IF for some reason Pence could talk to him, that he'd tell him to stop being stupid and ban guns from the public.


First of all we know the person is real just not that he was the son of God. Second, he was pacifistic to a degree but he also believed in defending yourself. "take your money and a traveler's bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!"

If you don't believe in ANYTHING of the bible then you don't believe in history because whether you believe in God or not a lot of the bible is just history.

In my opinion Pence does not speak to Jesus....not in a conversational way at the least. He likely prays to God and takes signs from changes in life as messages as God speaks through actions.
I should also mention that the bible is the most accurate ancient text we have and then the whole "this was edited a million times so it can't be true" is fallible. If the bible is fiction that is one thing but if it is edited than so is just about every ancient text.
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Posted 2/23/18 , edited 2/23/18
thugs will think twice if they shoot and a teacher shoots back. some schools are starting to add their own micro police stations in them. but yes, stricter gun laws would be the smart/right thing to do, but since anyone can literally get a gun thanks to vehicle trunks everywhere it's going to be more complicated to deal with gun sells. after all, there's been cases of CIA selling guns as well as crime weapons finding their way back out on the streets. and yes, in an ideal world to destroy all guns isn't possible, there will be less killed with swords, axes and so forth, so, back in the day they sold the guns yet limited the ammo sells. that would bring down the situation some. a showing of ID of how many ammo boxes you bought, maybe 2 every month.... and keep it at stricter gun laws, that even hunting rifles and shotguns require gun permits that it can take up to a month to obtain, would also trigger a cool down point. yet still the illegal gun sales will still continue. guns are meant to protect folks from the criminals and government after all.
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Posted 2/24/18 , edited 2/24/18

SuperRad-PrimeSupreme wrote:


ayporos wrote:

Firstly, I am not a christian nor do I believe in anything written in the Bible.

Secondly, might I just say that from what IS written in the bible, it seems Jesus is portrayed as mostly pacifistic in nature. It would thus seem to me VERY obvious IF this Jesus person was real and IF for some reason Pence could talk to him, that he'd tell him to stop being stupid and ban guns from the public.


First of all we know the person is real just not that he was the son of God. Second, he was pacifistic to a degree but he also believed in defending yourself. "take your money and a traveler's bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!"

If you don't believe in ANYTHING of the bible then you don't believe in history because whether you believe in God or not a lot of the bible is just history.

In my opinion Pence does not speak to Jesus....not in a conversational way at the least. He likely prays to God and takes signs from changes in life as messages as God speaks through actions.
I should also mention that the bible is the most accurate ancient text we have and then the whole "this was edited a million times so it can't be true" is fallible. If the bible is fiction that is one thing but if it is edited than so is just about every ancient text.


Except that the quote is taken out of context and does not mean that Christians should arm themselves, but rather to give a pretext for arresting Jesus in the first place and thus fulfill the prophecy and his fate in being put to death.

Jesus was never about the use of force. Indeed when Peter later sliced off one of the servant's ear, Jesus rebuked Peter and told him to put his sword away and healed the wound.

The Bible is a history. It is not everyone's history. It is not the history of the Chinese or the Koreans or the Japanese. It is not the history of the Mayans or Native Americans. It is the history of the Jews, and that is pretty much it. And like any history it may or may not be the entire truth, and how it is interpreted and believed may not actually what is true. Case in point.

It the most accurate ancient text. We have lots of texts older than the Bible. The Epic of Gilgamesh predates the Bible considerably. Ancient Egyptian and Sumerian texts go back to the 20th century BC. The earliest parts of the Bible known to exist go back to about the 8th century BC. This is about the same time the Chinese starting keeping meticulous records as well.

The issue is not so much whether the Bible has been edited, of course it has unless you are reading a version in Ancient Hebrew. All English versions are translations, some more accurate than others, but still translations that do not always say what the original text said. Just like when watching Anime the subtitles may or may not be fully accurate.

To put this in perspective, the 8th century BC is also when the Iliad and Odyssey were written.

And of course the Bible is fallible, it was written almost exclusively by fallible human beings. We even know prophets selected by God are fallible as Jonah specifically tried to run away rather than do what God requested of him. When anything in the Bible conflicts with Jesus, I am more willing to go with Jesus and believe that the other person's writing is flawed. That they are letting their own beliefs and prejudices get in the way.

Sure what Jesus said could be flawed too. But if we are going down that rabbit hole then we have to believe everything in the bible might not be accurate and so cannot draw any conclusions at all.

As for Pence, I do not doubt his faith. I do doubt his interpretations of what he thinks God is telling him since they almost always seem to clash with what Jesus taught in the Bible. It might not clash with Paul's writing, but then Paul was never a disciple either.

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Posted 2/24/18 , edited 2/24/18
God wants us to protect each other.
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The disciples wouldn't have been carrying swords if not to protect themselves. The bible absolutely advocates for self defense. God would not want you to just sit there and be killed without any type of fight. The proper use of self-defense has to do with wisdom, understanding, and tact. In Luke 22:36, Jesus tells His remaining disciples, “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” Jesus knew that now was the time when His followers would be threatened, and He upheld their right to self-defense. Just a short time later, Jesus is arrested, and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes Peter for that act (verses 49–51). Why? In his zeal to defend the Lord, Peter was standing in the way of God’s will. Jesus had told His disciples multiple times that He must be arrested, put on trial, and die (e.g., Matthew 17:22–23). In other words, Peter acted unwisely in that situation. We must have wisdom regarding when to fight and when not to.
God is however against the use of lethal force where it isn't necessary.
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Posted 2/24/18 , edited 2/24/18
SuperRad-Prime is right.
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