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Posted 3/12/18 , edited 3/13/18

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Tell me why this matters to you. Explain to me why this was so important you had to drop whatever it was you were doing prior to make a forum post about it on CR. Is this to be some sort of rallying cry? Should we protest? Sign a petition? What action should we take in response?


I see the beginnings of a genocide. Would you not do something about the Holocaust if you knew it was going to happen?

Spread this around like wildfire! The more people spread it and the more outrage builds then the more pressure it puts on South Africa to stop this stupid shit.
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Posted 3/12/18 , edited 3/13/18

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Ah the blissful ignorance of youth must be nice

Name one race of people in the last oh lets say 500 years least prosecuted then the white race?

I will wait while you try to pull an answer out of your ass


Oh are we playing victim Olympics now?

Ashkenazi Jews - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Holodomor - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Armenian Genocide - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

Barbary Slave Trade - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade

Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe: 'We Will Not Prosecute Killers of White Farmers' - http://www.newsweek.com/zimbabwe-president-robert-mugabe-white-farmers-651326


oh gee 4 whole times again the least oppressed people in history

Let me rebuttal

Apartheid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid

Manifest destiny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manifest_destiny

Atlantic slave trade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

The rape of the Congo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Congo

Shall I go on?
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Lol i knew this would pop up on here eventually when i first saw this, honestly surprised it took so long for this to be posted. You are slipping Ruji but honestly it is disturbing to see some of my fellow left leaning posters on this site writing this off. i get boers (or just white south africans) have done some fucked up things in the past but two wrongs don't make a right. this is at best misguided, dangerous, and straight up racist. shit like this is how you drive people further to the right into the arms of people like richard spencer. just flat out stupid.
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Lol i knew this would pop up on here eventually when i first saw this, honestly surprised it took so long for this to be posted. You are slipping Ruji but honestly it is disturbing to see some of my fellow left leaning posters on this site writing this off. i get boers (or just white south africans) have done some fucked up things in the past but two wrongs don't make a right. this is at best misguided, dangerous, and straight up racist. shit like this is how you drive people further to the right into the arms of people like richard spencer. just flat out stupid.


No one's writing it off its just much like every Ruji topic the well was poisoned from the get go. This topic was never going to be discussed in good faith. It's a waste of breath to even try.

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No one's writing it off its just much like every Ruji topic the well was poisoned from the get go. This topic was never going to be discussed in good faith. It's a waste of breath to even try.



Yeah i am familiar with Ruji's work lol but any dicussion regarding this topic needs to start out by acknowledging this is wrong imo. i am all for trying to distribute the land more equitably, but doing it this way is just begging for trouble (as well as being pretty straightforwardly morally wrong). Honestly i didn't even read Ruji's original post here since i was already aware of this story beforehand, it doesn't really change anything to me. if ruji frames it poorly, that's on him, that shouldn't affect how the actual content of the issue is discussed imo.
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-OlE- wrote:
Yeah i am familiar with Ruji's work lol but any dicussion regarding this topic needs to start out by acknowledging this is wrong imo. i am all for trying to distribute the land more equitably, but doing it this way is just begging for trouble (as well as being pretty straightforwardly morally wrong). Honestly i didn't even read Ruji's original post here since i was already aware of this story beforehand, it doesn't really change anything to me. if ruji frames it poorly, that's on him, that shouldn't affect how the actual content of the issue is discussed imo.


It's not that he "framed it poorly" so much as he willfully politicized it and, as usual, ignored the context of the situation in favour of one piece of it that fits with whatever he wants to rant about today.

I mean, yes, it's a two wrongs don't make a right situation. But in order to understand the full scope of the situation and the history behind it you have to actually acknowledge the rest of the world beyond Infowars. That is not something Ruji or his ilk are ever going to do. So there's little point in attempting to do it with them. Despite tim's ongoing inexplicable attempts.

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It's not that he "framed it poorly" so much as he willfully politicized it and, as usual, ignored the context of the situation in favour of one piece of it that fits with whatever he wants to rant about today.

I mean, yes, it's a two wrongs don't make a right situation. But in order to understand the full scope of the situation and the history behind it you have to actually acknowledge the rest of the world beyond Infowars. That is not something Ruji or his ilk are ever going to do. So there's little point in attempting to do it with them. Despite tim's ongoing inexplicable attempts.



Understood, but i don't think we need to engage with the topic on their terms. Ruji may have started the conversation but we are under no obligation to include him (or other "unreasonable" posters for that matter) in the future if we choose not to do so. I don't think the die hards are really who we are talking to here anyways (at least for me) they are always going to be dug into their positions imo. its the audience that is important here, lurkers or people who may not be jumping in but are following along with the conversation, those are the people who can be swayed. And it is important for those peoples sake that we acknowledge that this is flat out racism. Failing to do that will drive reasonable people away (possibly toward more extreme ideologies)
anyways, thats just my perspective
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The black African tribes have a justification for this land redistribution from the unwillingness of the European invaders to meet their obligation of their own imperialism. The second wave of colonization by the Europeans of the non-Europeans is justified with the need to introduce Liberalism, gather resource for industrialization, and "civilized" the non-Europeans.

The justification of spread of Liberalism is ironic since the European colonizers enslave the very colonized people that they are supposed to free, terrorized the people that they are supposed to protect, and brainwash the people that they are supposed to enlighten. This irony now characterize USA in their neo-colonialism. Their "civilizing mission" is also ironic since they are robbing the conquered people of their civilization and force the colonized tribes into the life of salvagery. In short, the European invaders never had any rights to own land or property in South Africa even by their own legal system since their rights to invade are only allowed when they bring "civilization" and "liberalism" to the conquered land which they never actually did.

The "resource for industrialization" argument is now invalid since the European countries are now industrialized; the white settlers no longer need to inhabit South Africa to extract resource to the now fully industrialized Britain. They had also steal all the manufacturing teachnology, which the European regard as very impressive, from the African tribes.
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Please forgive me, as English is my first language;
When i asked , "Tell me why this matters to you." your answer is "I see the beginnings of a genocide. Would you not do something about the Holocaust if you knew it was going to happen?"
To which I'd like to publiclly respond with, "There is no moral high ground. If given the choice between voting for the genocide of a particular socio-ethnic demographic ; and voting against such a measure knowing full well you will share in the same bitter fate of said socio-ethnic demographic against the majority; most sane people would opt for self preservation and pretend they didn't when confronted by people who didn't know the truth.
:I mean you presume that the holocaust was one internet post from being prevented yet ignore the percentage of people who voted in their own self preservation & those who genuinely felt that way; ensuring rule by majority despite atrocities.
Sorry I was distracted by the difference between would you do something about the holocaust as if the minimal standard was sufficient to showcase my moral outrage & ]could I do something about the holocaust which implies the rewards outweigh the risks. When you asked this did you properly weigh the difference of the morality of the question against the reality of those who lived through it? "
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Posted 3/12/18 , edited 6/9/18
So basically any white person, even if they didn’t do anything with apartheid or the slave trade or any other horrible actions have to suffer because they are desendants? How does that make it right? I know what the colonialists did was wrong and the idea of apartheid is something which I will never agree with. However does that make taking away the land of those who did nothing wrong any better than what the colonialists did?
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Posted 3/12/18 , edited 3/13/18

-OlE- wrote:

Lol i knew this would pop up on here eventually when i first saw this, honestly surprised it took so long for this to be posted. You are slipping Ruji but honestly it is disturbing to see some of my fellow left leaning posters on this site writing this off. i get boers (or just white south africans) have done some fucked up things in the past but two wrongs don't make a right. this is at best misguided, dangerous, and straight up racist. shit like this is how you drive people further to the right into the arms of people like richard spencer. just flat out stupid.


You right i am slipping. There's a lot I'd like to post but I'm not allowing myself much time on Crunchyroll. As fun as it is I've got real life stuff to do.

Its not surprising to me at all. I can post anything and they come out in opposition to it. I can't tell if they really don't care or they are just trying to troll a topic I made.

If we were to play those same victim Olympics in the USA or Canada then our entire country would be destroyed because no one but ancestors of natives would have land. All our progess in 200 years would be wiped out and we would resort to tribal lawsuits or even tribal warfare based on who is native and who isn't. It would become a disaster until we destroy ourselves, get conquered, or start a race war where only one side lives. I dont want anything like that to happen even if I would get huge amounts of land.

You cannot walk forward while all you do is look behind you.
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The black African tribes have a justification for this land redistribution from the unwillingness of the European invaders to meet their obligation of their own imperialism. The second wave of colonization by the Europeans of the non-Europeans is justified with the need to introduce Liberalism, gather resource for industrialization, and "civilized" the non-Europeans.

The justification of spread of Liberalism is ironic since the European colonizers enslave the very colonized people that they are supposed to free, terrorized the people that they are supposed to protect, and brainwash the people that they are supposed to enlighten. This irony now characterize USA in their neo-colonialism. Their "civilizing mission" is also ironic since they are robbing the conquered people of their civilization and force the colonized tribes into the life of salvagery. In short, the European invaders never had any rights to own land or property in South Africa even by their own legal system since their rights to invade are only allowed when they bring "civilization" and "liberalism" to the conquered land which they never actually did.

The "resource for industrialization" argument is now invalid since the European countries are now industrialized; the white settlers no longer need to inhabit South Africa to extract resource to the now fully industrialized Britain. They had also steal all the manufacturing teachnology, which the European regard as very impressive, from the African tribes.


I want everyone with a good head on their shoulders to read this, read and learn how a perfectly sane adult from a western civilisation justifies the forced seizure of property and ultimately the targeted murder of people of a particular ethnic group.

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Posted 3/12/18 , edited 6/9/18
I'm not at all surprised. This has been a hot topic in South Africa for well over a decade. There isn't even an effort to train people there with the necessary skills to run the damned farms. It is racism. It is hypocrisy. It is twisted. It is stupidity. Zimbabwe all over again, it seems. Neighboring countries can take in the refugees and boost their own economy, whilst sniggering at South Africa. I have crumbling empathy for the South African government, as well as for those who commit atrocities in the name of it. "Evil in the name of good," indeed.
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It's one thing to confiscate the land, but it's another thing entirely to do so without compensating those white owners for the land. I can see what this would happen in South Africa, but this line of thinking is quite irrational. And now, this is spiraling into something like what's happening with Zimbabwe. Not sure how exactly this is going to help, but there are just so many things wrong about this.
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Posted 3/13/18 , edited 3/13/18
History of the world in a nutshell...

Take the land away from the rightful owners,

Genocide them,

Profit.

We all know what will happen next to the whites of South Africa.
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