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So browsing on the interweebs I see a variety of reactions and reviews to Darling in The Franxxx, that I'd like to highlight and get some of your opinions on.

I mean it's no surprise that anyone reading this forum is already a big fan hence why they've joined the group but to outside individuals that may not be long time anime viewers some discrepancies are forming about the quality of the show.

Overwhelmingly the reviews on CR and MAL and other anime review sites with people that have watched anime are positive; highlighting the animation, the characters, the drama etc. But I keep seeing the topic of fanservice brought up as a negative a lot of times. People on reddit credit that the show would be much more watchable and elss awkward if the fan service was removed and although this decree is less highlighted in the crunchyroll reviews there are still a good amount of individuals that credit fanservice in an anime as a weakness and a crutch that animators use to draw in more viewers.

Personally, for me it's hard to justify these claims because of two reasons. Primarily when I was introduced to anime it was through shows that had fanservice and as a genre it was synonymous to me that anime would include fanservice since the inception of it's creation. The two in my mind go hand in hand and although you don't need to have fanservice to make an anime good it doesn't mean that anime with fanservice is bad. Secondly sexuality is very comfortable to me and I find no awkwardness from seeing lewdity no matter the genre. Regardless if it was done tastefully or with indiscretion both forms are simply projections of the human figure. I do agree that sometimes series that make this the primary driving force of their story can become annoying but to me the factors at play there are less about the lewds and fanservice but more about the stereotypical repetitive Japanease motifs and themes that play out during the entire series (looking at you in another world with my smartphone.) The repetitive "edging'" that a fanservice anime will do by introducing a new character and then giving just enough fanservice to get the audience acquainted with the characters "personalities" before moving on and introducing a new character gets tiring after a while. I don't see this in Darling however. The primary driving force of Darling in the Franxx isnt a showcase of lewdity but rather a showcase of story that is supplanted with lewdity. Even if we take away the story having obvious coming of age undertones and exploration of sexuality, and simply view it as a robots fighting beasts anime, I see no problem with fanservice being displayed in either a tasteless of tasteful manner. Fan service/sexuality/nudity are just part of any genre of humanity, a tiddie is just a tiddie sometimes don't have to be awkward.

I'm interested in what ya'll think? Should story that doesn't have lewdity as a main theme still include it just cause? Also which fanservice animes you were turned off of because of failures in plot/story/characters/anything?
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For one, any anime with the words "Boku no" in the title is strictly a lewd anime with the intention of getting as close to hentai as possible, without actually becoming hentai. That is all.

Now for "Fan Service" within an anime such as DITF, I say hell yeah damn right. FS has been in almost all shows. Only the more serious animes such as Bleach or Full Metal are exempt. Yes, they'll show some underboob or a girl changing every once and a blue moon, but people have to understand the difference between FS and just straight up adult themes. DITF being no stranger to FS takes it and runs with the torch. Let's all be serious here, the plot and characters are not the only reason we guys are watching this show, amiright. And I'm sure they see who watches the show (predominantly males). So a fan service episode to lighten things up a little is not at all unexpected for a show which already uses sexuality as one of its main themes. Not only this, but a lot of the time the creators will take these episodes to catch people up on some things they may have missed (Episode 7) or throw some character development in so we can get a taste for more of the cast (Episode 8). During these episodes we got to take a breather on the entire survival bit, and take in a bit of ZeroTwo Love (see what I did there).

In conclusion, Fan Service is something that some people agree with, but others don't. I personally enjoy the hell out of it. And look past the basis of "its all about boobs." If people who complained about fan service really hated it that much, they could easily find a similar show that is more serious in nature.
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I look at it this way.
Anime was created and is rewarded by fans that are of a certain age, male, and are Otaku, which means they don't have a real girlfriend that would take up their time in real life, so they sit in their rooms and watch Anime.
So "Fan Service" is the butter between the bread and your hand. The makers know their audience and so put a certain amount of "Fan Service" (hence the term) into their product so to generate sales and a Clientele that will keep coming back for more!
Most of us are Otaku's to come degree, in Japan, they are hard core, shades drawn, lights low, hermits that never want to leave the "Cocoon" and get a job or even see daylight.
Anime for them is like a salve, that gives them a since of belonging and acts out their problems and inadequacy's so they someday will have the courage to get out and get a job, and a girl friend, and have a life.
Some never make it that far. I agree with you both in your interpretations, Just consider mine for what it is worth.
And watch "Welcome to the NHK" . Below is a synopses of it. You could even write a college paper on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_to_the_N.H.K.
And it can be seen here on Crunchyroll: http://www.crunchyroll.com/welcome-to-the-n-h-k
It's not horrific or preachy, in fact, its not a bad Anime...but what it does bring is a certain understanding many would rather not face...
Anime is fun, you have to control it, and not let it control you!
That's all...
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Bankshot wrote:

I look at it this way.
Anime was created and is rewarded by fans that are of a certain age, male, and are Otaku, which means they don't have a real girlfriend that would take up their time in real life, so they sit in their rooms and watch Anime.
So "Fan Service" is the butter between the bread and your hand. The makers know their audience and so put a certain amount of "Fan Service" (hence the term) into their product so to generate sales and a Clientele that will keep coming back for more!
Most of us are Otaku's to come degree, in Japan, they are hard core, shades drawn, lights low, hermits that never want to leave the "Cocoon" and get a job or even see daylight.
Anime for them is like a salve, that gives them a since of belonging and acts out their problems and inadequacy's so they someday will have the courage to get out and get a job, and a girl friend, and have a life.
Some never make it that far. I agree with you both in your interpretations, Just consider mine for what it is worth.
And watch "Welcome to the NHK" . Below is a synopses of it. You could even write a college paper on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_to_the_N.H.K.
And it can be seen here on Crunchyroll: http://www.crunchyroll.com/welcome-to-the-n-h-k
It's not horrific or preachy, in fact, its not a bad Anime...but what it does bring is a certain understanding many would rather not face...
Anime is fun, you have to control it, and not let it control you!
That's all...


Very well said. I absolutely adore welcome to NHK especially in it's approach to depression. It's interesting too that welcome to NHK deals with characters who are very clearly depressed and because of this can't form a meaningful connection with each other. Tatsuhiro, the main character, often replaces those feelings with just sexuality. He chases Hitomi from his highschool less because he has a connection with her but more he's just sexually attracted to her. I think this mirrors a bit the Otaku life. Depressed shut out individuals chasing fanservice and sexuality rather than meaningful connections with individuals.
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Posted 3/14/18 , edited 3/15/18

sneaki-chan wrote:

For one, any anime with the words "Boku no" in the title is strictly a lewd anime with the intention of getting as close to hentai as possible, without actually becoming hentai. That is all.

Now for "Fan Service" within an anime such as DITF, I say hell yeah damn right. FS has been in almost all shows. Only the more serious animes such as Bleach or Full Metal are exempt. Yes, they'll show some underboob or a girl changing every once and a blue moon, but people have to understand the difference between FS and just straight up adult themes. DITF being no stranger to FS takes it and runs with the torch. Let's all be serious here, the plot and characters are not the only reason we guys are watching this show, amiright. And I'm sure they see who watches the show (predominantly males). So a fan service episode to lighten things up a little is not at all unexpected for a show which already uses sexuality as one of its main themes. Not only this, but a lot of the time the creators will take these episodes to catch people up on some things they may have missed (Episode 7) or throw some character development in so we can get a taste for more of the cast (Episode 8). During these episodes we got to take a breather on the entire survival bit, and take in a bit of ZeroTwo Love (see what I did there).

In conclusion, Fan Service is something that some people agree with, but others don't. I personally enjoy the hell out of it. And look past the basis of "its all about boobs." If people who complained about fan service really hated it that much, they could easily find a similar show that is more serious in nature.


Glad we agree sneaki, idk to me I just find it so weird that people will discard a show based on the fact that it contains fanservice. Stories with FS can be just as good as stories without. Lol imagine going to a museum and hating the works of a painter because he drew a nude model in one of his paintings.
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Bankshot wrote:

I look at it this way.
Anime was created and is rewarded by fans that are of a certain age, male, and are Otaku, which means they don't have a real girlfriend that would take up their time in real life, so they sit in their rooms and watch Anime.
So "Fan Service" is the butter between the bread and your hand. The makers know their audience and so put a certain amount of "Fan Service" (hence the term) into their product so to generate sales and a Clientele that will keep coming back for more!
Most of us are Otaku's to come degree, in Japan, they are hard core, shades drawn, lights low, hermits that never want to leave the "Cocoon" and get a job or even see daylight.
Anime for them is like a salve, that gives them a since of belonging and acts out their problems and inadequacy's so they someday will have the courage to get out and get a job, and a girl friend, and have a life.
Some never make it that far. I agree with you both in your interpretations, Just consider mine for what it is worth.
And watch "Welcome to the NHK" . Below is a synopses of it. You could even write a college paper on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_to_the_N.H.K.
And it can be seen here on Crunchyroll: http://www.crunchyroll.com/welcome-to-the-n-h-k
It's not horrific or preachy, in fact, its not a bad Anime...but what it does bring is a certain understanding many would rather not face...
Anime is fun, you have to control it, and not let it control you!
That's all...


I haven't read that yet, but it sounds really freaking good. I think I'll put that on my list. I just started reading the Rangers Handbook so I'll have to finish that haha. I'm glad Bank brought another outlook on the subject... That it's more than just satisfying male desires.
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