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Posted 3/21/18 , edited 3/21/18
Great post @Aniysis I would love to hear your input on Kalaxors and how they fit into your discription about the social standings of the Plantation society.

We know based on intuition that there's more to Kalxors than meets the eye. Especially considering how ZeroTwo could be a hybrid of Kalaxor and human DNA, this begs the question as to how. We've seen before how vicious and unstable Kalaxors are. The fact that Papa and other APE leaders could bring about ZeroTwo and maker her as a hybrid indicates some underlying connections we just don't know about yet.

Given the Bee theory you've expertly described above what would Kalaxors be in this comparison? Are they wasps? or something even more sinister. Your post got my mind racing with theories lol
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Sorry for being 3 days late to watch the episode lol. And wow guys, your posts' were a lot to read at one time.

You guys are packed with info, but I just want to touch on something that hasn't been discussed or analyzed yet... and that's the social system behind the plantation.

Upon entering the city, we are shown a large symbolism of how this city's social system is ran. A grand imagery of yellow hexagons that greatly resembles a beehive, specifically a honey beehive.


The similarities are undeniable. And with this to work with, let's talk about how the social system works within' the plantation.

There are 3 types of bees in a honey bee colony. A Queen, Workers, and Drones.
The Queen
Queens are the only members of a colony able to lay fertilized eggs. That's basically it lol.

In the case of DITF, there seems to be multiple "Queens." And if these superiors are the only people able to transfer sperm to other females, that could explain two things.
(1) That's why the population of the city seems so deserted. Or everyone is just staying kept indoors.
(2) This is why squad 13, especially Zorome, keeps calling the leader, "papa."



Workers
Worker honey bees are the largest population within a colony and are entirely female. They are also essential members of honey bee colonies. They forage for pollen and nectar, tend to queens and drones, feed larvae, ventilate the hive, defend the nest and perform other tasks to preserve the survival of the colony.

Although we see majority of males in the city, the male-female birth ratio is generally 50%. So either most of the females remain hidden, or there's something more sinister happening. But that aside, let's talk about how the females in this city's roles are and how similar they are to Worker bees.

(1) They forage of pollen and nectar. Now, skipping over pollen because I don't see any correlation to that in the anime, let's go to nectar. Nectar is a sugar-rich liquid produced by plants. And when Zorome eats these colorful balls, he says, "I-It was super delicious!" And if you're human, which I think most of us are, you would know that we love our sugar. That's why I'm eating an Oreo Candy as I'm writing this lol.



(2) They tend to queens and drones. I'll get to drones later, but they're basically just the males. And if we follow the path that this women is Zorome's mom, then that serves as her tending to her queen because she gave birth to the papa's son. This could be the reason why during the initial welcoming ceremony, they were described as "the chosen ones."
And she tends to drones as well. She watches and takes care of her partner's vulnerable body as he takes his "dose of happiness."



(3) Feed larvae. Larvae are essentially kids before they reach adulthood. And based on this flashback of Zorome when he was young, I think it's a good assumption that this woman was looking after Zorome when he was a child. Kind of like a mother....?


(4) Ventilate the hive. There's an early scene upon meeting the lady without her formal attire where he sprays the room with disinfecting spray. As one of the guards escorting him out said, "This isn't a place infected children like you should enter."


(5) Defend the nest. This is a quick one. I'm sure the society within' were taught to believe that parasites were infected. So she didn't hesitate to immediately call security after confirming that Zorome is a parasite.


Okay, last one
Drones
Drones are male honey bees with only one task; to fertilize new queens

In relation to DITF, this doesn't make any sense. I mean... unless the guys are getting gay with papa? But it seems that the males just follow orders given by papa (the queen) and nothing more. I mean literally... nothing more. During their welcoming, Zorome wanted an honorable handshake because he was so excited, but the guy simply nudged it off because of two reasons.
(1) He was only ordered to welcome the Parasites and nothing more.
(2) They were taught that parasites were infected.



Some final thoughts.
Zero Two called this city "lifeless."

This can be taken literally, as in deserted or no people, which this city's streets seem to be almost always empty. Or, it can be interpreted in a philosophical way. To me, the way Zero Two describes this place as "lifeless" means that everyone has lost their sense of individuality. In a hive system, everyone is essentially working machines for their whole lives. And this could also be the reason as to why she enjoys being around with squad 13 and Hiro.

Everyone in squad 13 is full of life and individuality. Even their FRANXX have their individual uniqueness. Past models of FRANXX, such as what squad 26 used in that big Klaxour fight, were all built the same way to improve teamwork and coordination. Every fight that squad 13 has fought, they were mostly solo kills with little-to-no teamwork.


So what are your thoughts about the quotes and symbolism in this series or episode? I know Komodo brought up about the representation of flowers, but I'm not a florist lol. That's his expertise





HECK. Thats a lot of new intel.. might even be worth its own forum post if theres more info about that in the next ep but damn.. Well spotted man @Aniysis .. well spotted.


The fact that maybe all of the children may be "produced" by one man/woman or a small group of em disturbs me a bit.. i mean .. where does the genetic variety come from? lol

No but seriously thats pretty interesting dude.

Maybe thats why they're so vulnerable to foreign bacteria intefering with their people because that could disturb the whole beehive-like system :O i still remember them saying something along those lines.

Man this connects so well to all the stuff about the flowers.. (◕‿◕✿)

Think about it.. all the stuff about nature and its biology and then this "dead" technological world with nothing to live for.






Seriously though you have been working hard on this too Komodo... and this hermetically sealed hive is something... no contact to the upper levels or outside. Maybe they don't see that diverse genetics as what it is but a threat to their ideals.... i know it has been sad before. but there has to be some lab alterations to these children or some tech that is also for the "breeding service" who knows.
Posted 3/21/18 , edited 3/21/18

Speedkomodo

Man this connects so well to all the stuff about the flowers.. (◕‿◕✿)

Think about it.. all the stuff about nature and its biology and then this "dead" technological world with nothing to live for.






Can you expand on that thought about nature, biology, and technological world? Sorry. I've only been updated on this group since episode 8. Any info you guys discussed before episode 8 I have no idea about. :)


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Woah Aniysis you have covered it all here! each and ever piece we all have been sharing and reviewing is coming together so beautifully and im excited.

For me i think the ones who are "breeding" will get revealed more.... and i think Zoromes mom or that lady knew... like what if it is part hybridization? like not all only natural means of reproduction but some artificial means placed in there too.... like modified children then placed into a female.... or other "body" .. just something i was thinking all along too.? what you all think though.

And you have put up much effort here in this post so congrats! :O it's awesome!


Yeah, I'm looking forward to that breeding stuff too. And that book about children that Kokoro took. WHERE TF IS IT?!?
Posted 3/21/18 , edited 3/21/18

buyingGF wrote:

Great post @Aniysis I would love to hear your input on Kalaxors and how they fit into your discription about the social standings of the Plantation society.

We know based on intuition that there's more to Kalxors than meets the eye. Especially considering how ZeroTwo could be a hybrid of Kalaxor and human DNA, this begs the question as to how. We've seen before how vicious and unstable Kalaxors are. The fact that Papa and other APE leaders could bring about ZeroTwo and maker her as a hybrid indicates some underlying connections we just don't know about yet.

Given the Bee theory you've expertly described above what would Kalaxors be in this comparison? Are they wasps? or something even more sinister. Your post got my mind racing with theories lol


As for how ZeroTwo was able to become a hybrid of Kalaxor and human DNA, I think it's very simple. There's a very popular idea in the world that you can be immune to any poison if it's given in small doses over a large period of time. Let's use snake venom as an example.

Let's say 5 drops of Snake Venom can kill you. So, if we would want you to become immune to this poison, we would give you small amounts of snake venom (like 2 drops) periodically and increasing the dose as your body becomes more immune to the poison. And over a long period of time, your body will become totally immune to the poison.

And so in the case of DITF, we know that Zero Two has a handful of magma in her body based on what we see in the OP. And so these "tests" that were said about in this episode could be referring to another dose of magma that needs to be ingested in order for ZeroTwo to continue to be immune to the magma in order to control Steriliza.


Sorry I couldn't be as clear as I wanted to or give any pictures/examples, but I have to get ready and leave for work in 30 minutes
Posted 3/21/18 , edited 3/21/18

buyingGF wrote:



Given the Bee theory you've expertly described above what would Kalaxors be in this comparison? Are they wasps? or something even more sinister. Your post got my mind racing with theories lol


The bee theory was simply a theory of how the social system in the plantation worked. You have the queen (papa + others), the Workers (Women), and the Drones (men). Anything outside of the social system in the plantation has nothing to do with this theory.

Unless you would like to make one for yourself. I'm all for new ideas backed up with scenes from the show :)
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Posted 3/21/18 , edited 3/21/18

Aniysis wrote:


Speedkomodo

Man this connects so well to all the stuff about the flowers.. (◕‿◕✿)

Think about it.. all the stuff about nature and its biology and then this "dead" technological world with nothing to live for.




Aniysis
Can you expand on that thought about nature, biology, and technological world? Sorry. I've only been updated on this group since episode 8. Any info you guys discussed before episode 8 I have no idea about. :)


I just mean like all the symbolism with flowers, beehives and primates.. everything stuff we have today in our real world.. And then they live in such a technologically advanced world without any connection to nature at all..
Posted 3/21/18 , edited 3/21/18

Speedkomodo wrote:


Aniysis wrote:


Speedkomodo

Man this connects so well to all the stuff about the flowers.. (◕‿◕✿)

Think about it.. all the stuff about nature and its biology and then this "dead" technological world with nothing to live for.




Aniysis
Can you expand on that thought about nature, biology, and technological world? Sorry. I've only been updated on this group since episode 8. Any info you guys discussed before episode 8 I have no idea about. :)


I just mean like all the symbolism with flowers, beehives and primates.. everything stuff we have today in our real world.. And then they live in such a technologically advanced world without any connection to nature at all.. :D

Ohh yeah, that makes sense. The entire world has become a barren wasteland and so they make their own artificial nature. Just like the bird cage Hiro is in in episode 1 with the "lake." And all that food and butter that they eat all the time definitely didn't come from any natural animal. Technologically advanced is the perfect word. They've become totally self-reliant on technology to the point where the dude has to be in a machine to experience happiness.
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