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Posted 4/7/18 , edited 4/7/18
it's kind of weird if you look at it

LEGAL-- you have to sign up for MULTIPLE sites just to be able to watch most of the series available

ILLEGAL- they have most series on one single site!!

how many are willing to pay for multiple subscriptions at once just to watch everything they want?



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Posted 4/12/18 , edited 4/12/18
Do legal streaming sites have to pay to maintain their licenses as well, or just to acquire them?
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Posted 4/12/18 , edited 4/12/18

UnitedSaints wrote:

Do legal streaming sites have to pay to maintain their licenses as well, or just to acquire them?


There are different circumstances, but contracts usually involve a "guaranteed minimum", sometimes related to individual territories, sometimes overall, along with additional royalties beyond the minimum based on time watched, sometimes for a set term, but more often CR tries to get an open-ended arrangement that could be terminated by either party. There are both fixed initial costs and ongoing ones.

CR pays half of your monthly subscription fee to the suppliers of the shows you actually watch, (and none of it to those you don't watch), based on the ratio of time you spent watching each one. There is even some kind of arrangement for the ad-supported accounts, but those barely pay for their operating expense... No idea how other streamers do it though.
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Posted 4/13/18 , edited 4/13/18
Honesty, while it is understandable why they can't get all licenses as that is just how the world works what puzzles me is how many of those websites have video players with less issues.

I really like how CR keeps track of your anime viewing queue, probably the only feature here that keeps me from leaving tbh.


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it's kind of weird if you look at it

LEGAL-- you have to sign up for MULTIPLE sites just to be able to watch most of the series available

ILLEGAL- they have most series on one single site!!

how many are willing to pay for multiple subscriptions at once just to watch everything they want?





Good point until this issue is addressed piracy is going nowhere. It might be impossible for any one licensee to get all shows, but the need for a single website where you can watch all of your subscriptions would be a good start. Imagine a VRV like website, but with "channels" for CR, Netflix, and Amazons libraries accessible from a single video player and single queue list. Even if you had to pay separately it would still be less of a pain in the ass of having to manage multiple queues and paying multiple bills all over the place. I highly doubt that will ever happen, but we can at least dream.

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Posted 4/13/18 , edited 4/14/18
One thing to keep in mind is that when you watch via a pirate site, you get no "vote" in the licensing of anime.

The days when some companies would pay attention to the number of torrent downloads for a title before deciding whether to license if for home video are long gone. Even for the few titles they don't license up front, they need look only as far as their own streaming numbers.

Likewise, when it comes to the decision to make a sequel, international streaming can be the deciding factor. Revenue from legal streams get taken in account, especially on series that might not have made the cut on domestic revenue alone. You can cross your fingers and hope your favorite series does well enough in Japan alone, but if you are pirating it when you could be viewing legally, you aren't helping those odds.
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Posted 4/16/18 , edited 4/16/18
You risks NASTY VIRUSES and MALWARE with the free sites. CR isn't that expensive to get Premium and has a ton of anime on it. Just because spoiled brats don't have exactly what you want to watch because of legal licensing fees. Expand your horizon by watching something you don't normally watch as there are a lot of great anime to watch on CR and they're working to get more. You might find something you actually like.

I don't watch ads on CR nor Netflix because of being members each which doesn't cost a lot at all. I don't do VRV as the list there isn't what I want to watch yet (maybe in the future).

To watch pirated shows is a disgrace to the people who work to make anime. I would not want to work for free. No one does. Be respectful of the creators and those who try to bring you the shows you want.
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Posted 4/30/18 , edited 4/30/18
when it comes to "viruses and malware" that's not really true, it's the exact same thing for crunchyroll, do you remember when crunchyroll was hacked and every single user accessing to the website caused a download of a virus ?

so no, when it comes to security, crunchyroll is at the exact same level as the other websites, even worse since they still use flash player which is known to have huge security issues

when you don't know, the best is to not say anything, what you say about security is completely wrong


i don't support the illegal streaming, i'm just realistic about the "security" you're talking about, i'm a programmer and i know that Flash player is already really bad for security reasons and since what happened with the website, the security of crunchyroll can't be taken seriously anymore
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Posted 4/30/18 , edited 4/30/18

Pikachuk wrote:

when it comes to "viruses and malware" that's not really true, it's the exact same thing for crunchyroll, do you remember when crunchyroll was hacked and every single user accessing to the website caused a download of a virus ?

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when you don't know, the best is to not say anything, what you say about security is completely wrong


Actually their cloudfront got hacked so only users that were directed to cloudfront for authentication were offered the chance to download a virus. So no, "every single user" is far from correct.

As you say, "when you don't know, the best is to not say anything."
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Posted 4/30/18 , edited 4/30/18
Cloudflare you mean, cloudfront is a different service


Cloudflare sits between incoming visitors and Crunchyroll, and normally redirects traffic to Crunchyroll servers. The attackers redirected incoming visitors intended for the Crunchyroll.com website to a non-Crunchyroll-hosted server with the intent for visitors to download a malicious file, named “CrunchyViewer.exe.”



and cloudflare is the service that redirects to crunchyroll, so, yes, every single user that was accessing crunchyroll while the virus was active got the popup to download the virus (but they could deny it and not launch it, but people without experience would probably have launched it)
cloudflare is the service that is used in order to avoid DDOS attack, so it's normal that it's used as a kind of bridge
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Posted 4/30/18 , edited 4/30/18

AnimeAddictANN69 wrote:

it's kind of weird if you look at it

LEGAL-- you have to sign up for MULTIPLE sites just to be able to watch most of the series available

ILLEGAL- they have most series on one single site!!

how many are willing to pay for multiple subscriptions at once just to watch everything they want?



It's kind of like the console systems. You have to buy them all to play all the games you want.

I would pay $50/month for a service that will have both movies and games for rent. I was paying $24+ tax for 1 game at a time + $28 + tas for 3 movies out at a time /month with Blockbuster before they closed down.

Amazon Prime will also give you Amazon Video -- the price increased to $120/year now
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Posted 4/30/18 , edited 4/30/18

Pikachuk wrote:

Cloudflare you mean, cloudfront is a different service


Cloudflare sits between incoming visitors and Crunchyroll, and normally redirects traffic to Crunchyroll servers. The attackers redirected incoming visitors intended for the Crunchyroll.com website to a non-Crunchyroll-hosted server with the intent for visitors to download a malicious file, named “CrunchyViewer.exe.”



and cloudflare is the service that redirects to crunchyroll, so, yes, every single user that was accessing crunchyroll while the virus was active got the popup to download the virus (but they could deny it and not launch it, but people without experience would probably have launched it)
cloudflare is the service that is used in order to avoid DDOS attack, so it's normal that it's used as a kind of bridge


Okay. Wrong cloud.

However you are still wrong about every single user. I visited the site several times and was never shown a pop up to download a virus.
I only get directed to cloudflare once every few weeks (hence why I forgot the name) so I was coming in direct to the unhacked site. After a while though CR took down the unhacked site while they worked to resolve the problem.

I can't believe that my situation is unique or that I am even within a small fraction of the million paid subscribers.


My point here is that generalisations in any situation will come back to bite you, especially when you talk down to someone for having less than all of the facts.
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Posted 4/30/18 , edited 4/30/18
I'll explain why i said every single user "while the virus was active"
that's because of the way the internet works

all connexions to crunchyroll.com even if you don't see the cloudflare loading screen everytime are protected by cloudflare, normally the user is asking "grant me an access to crunchyroll" and cloudflare will answer with a yes or no and will give the IP to the crunchyroll server (all of this occures internally)

sometimes when cloudflare is not sure about wether or not it should grant the access (if the ip looks suspect or something similar) cloudflare will check directly the browser to make sure it's not a bot (because it must protect from DDOS attacks by blocking suspect connexions)

and the attack was hacking the redirection IP of cloudflare to the virus

this is why when someone was typing crunchyroll.com at the time of the virus, the virus was automatically downloaded

now, it occured only for some times so
from november 4th of 2017 at 3:30AM PST to november 4th of 2017 at 9AM PST

it was active 2 hours and 30 minutes, all the users accessing the website at this moment were redirected to the virus
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Posted 4/30/18 , edited 4/30/18

Pikachuk wrote:

this is why when someone was typing crunchyroll.com at the time of the virus, the virus was automatically downloaded

now, it occured only for some times so
from november 4th of 2017 at 3:30AM PST to november 4th of 2017 at 9AM PST

it was active 2 hours and 30 minutes, all the users accessing the website at this moment were redirected to the virus


And again I say that I accessed CR several times during that period (for the UK that is around 9am to 4pm on a Saturday) and did not receive a virus pop up. The first I realised there was a problem was from some messages on the forum asking if they should trust the pop up they had seen. The website was later taken down by CR.

I have no idea why I didn't receive the pop up. Perhaps the server replication settings in the UK bypassed the redirect. Or it may be that one or more of the security layers on my computer prevented it. However, it doesn't change the fact that "every single user," is incorrect.
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Posted 4/30/18 , edited 4/30/18
Do you hava an ad blocker/antivirus ? It could explain why
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