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Post Reply I've made a petition because of the "licencing problem" of crunchyroll
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
Sorry to tell you this but you clearly have no idea what you're actually talking about. Instead of making a petition for CR to illegally stream content in countries they are not allowed to, you should be making a petition for the companies that own the streaming rights to allow CR to stream to that country. The reason CR has the rule about no VPNs is because VPNs could be used to circumvent the streaming restrictions and if CR does not explicitly state that VPNs are not allowed, they could be considered complicit in illegally streaming content where they aren't allowed to.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18
they are not illegally streaming it if they're streaming it in the US, the client is only accessing the US server instead of the french one
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

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they are not illegally streaming it if they're streaming it in the US, the client is only accessing the US server instead of the french one


The issue is not where the streaming server is, it's where the content is being streamed TO. Doesn't matter if their streaming server is on Mars, it still would not be legal for them to allow people in countries that they cannot stream TO to access that stream.
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the issue is that in this case as i said it's maybe not racism, but it enters in the discrimination definition

"In human social affairs, discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person based on the group, class, or category to which the person is perceived to belong rather than on individual attributes. This includes treatment of an individual or group, based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction going on to influence the individual's actual behavior towards the group leader or the group, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making.[2]"

someone in the us would get a better service and access more content than someone in france, it is discrimination
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

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the issue is that in this case as i said it's maybe not racism, but it enters in the discrimination definition

"In human social affairs, discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person based on the group, class, or category to which the person is perceived to belong rather than on individual attributes. This includes treatment of an individual or group, based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated".[1] It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction going on to influence the individual's actual behavior towards the group leader or the group, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making.[2]"

someone in the us would get a better service and access more content than someone in france, it is discrimination


Kid, you are directing your frustration at the wrong people. Crunchyroll is not the one at fault for them not being allowed to stream content in your country, that was decided by other people and Crunchyroll MUST, by law, follow the rules given to them about where they can and cannot stream to. Crunchyroll WANTS to be able to stream their content everywhere, but other greedy companies have made it so that they LEGALLY cannot do that. If Crunchyroll were to do it anyway, they would most likely be shut down. You should be complaining to the companies that are limiting what Crunchyroll can do, not complaining to Crunchyroll. If your mom tells you you can play with Tim but can't play with Johnny, you are not discriminating against Johnny by only playing with Tim, you're just following the rules you were given. It was your mom who discriminated against Johnny. Does that make sense?
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
I think you misunderstand what Crunchyroll has the right to do. They bought the rights to stream in a region, not just to stream anywhere..
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Reitrahc : but i understand this, but as i said, i'm criticising not crunchyroll but the licences, and the licences themselves ARE illegal because they explicitely are racist which is against the laws of most of countries

usually an exploitation licence is INTERNATIONAL
it's an authorisation to exploit a content to make profit, without any mention of country, adding a condition of country in it makes it discriminatory
even if the us section of crunchyroll got the licence they normally should be able to stream it anywhere
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18

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someone in the us would get a better service and access more content than someone in france, it is discrimination


That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

It's hard to take you seriously when you keep using hyperbolic terms like racism and discrimination because effectively a store doesn't carry a product you want. And you don't want to go to the store that does.



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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

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Reitrahc : but i understand this, but as i said, i'm criticising not crunchyroll but the licences, and the licences themselves ARE illegal because they explicitely are racist which is against the laws of most of countries

usually an exploitation licence is INTERNATIONAL
it's an authorisation to exploit a content to make profit, without any mention of country, adding a condition of country in it makes it discriminatory
even if the us section of crunchyroll got the licence they normally should be able to stream it anywhere


If you believe the licenses are illegal, bring this matter up to an international court of law? I don't know what else to tell you. Crunchyroll can't stream where they can't stream. Your petition absolutely is criticizing Crunchyroll specifically though.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18
the main critic of my petition to crunchyroll was the VPN restriction
they shouldn't ban because someone uses a vpn when the person pays the studio anyway by paying crunchyroll
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

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the main critic of my petition to crunchyroll was the VPN restriction
they shouldn't ban because someone uses a vpn when the person pays the studio anyway by paying crunchyroll


They ban for a VPN because part of the license agreement is an agreement to protect the content they've licensed and ensure they provide said content only in the way they have license to use it.

You're still barking up the wrong tree by laying this on CR.
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how is it "not protected", unless crunchyroll PDG lied, the money goes mostly to the studios of the anime we watched in out watch history

so even watching something licenced in the US it would be in the history so the money would go to the studio, it would still be protected by its DRM
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

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how is it "not protected", unless crunchyroll PDG lied, the money goes mostly to the studios of the anime we watched in out watch history

so even watching something licenced in the US it would be in the history so the money would go to the studio, it would still be protected by its DRM


You're giving me a headache here, dude. Let's try this another way since you don't seem to want to Google anything:

Company A has the rights to stream in the US.

Company B has the rights to stream in France.

Company A allows people in France to watch the stream.

Company B just lost money to Company A.





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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
I already explained why they cannot allow people to use a VPN to view content they are not allowed to view from Crunchyroll in their country. Crunchyroll does not have the legal right to distribute certain animes to certain countries. The location of the server is completely irrelevant. They cannot allow people in France to watch those anime from their own servers under any circumstances. By making a rule that says you cannot use a VPN to bypass region locking, Crunchyroll is making it clear for legal purposes that it is not Crunchyroll's fault if someone does that to bypass the licensing laws in their country, it is the fault of the person and Crunchyroll MUST punish people who do that or they will be complicit.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
#petitionsdonothing also its not cruncryrolls fault its the anime company, complain to them
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