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Post Reply I've made a petition because of the "licencing problem" of crunchyroll
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

soulsinferno wrote:

#petitionsdonothing


someone should make a petition to stop people from making (pointless) petitions.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

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soulsinferno wrote:

#petitionsdonothing


someone should make a petition to stop people from making (pointless) petitions.


https://www.change.org/p/change-org-avaaz-38degrees-stop-creating-petitions-they-don-t-work
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people in the US don't realize this kind of problem because in the US most of the simulcast have the majority of the anime, in other countries such as france, it requires 5 subscriptions at a time with some of them that are pure scam (such as wakanim with 1€/episode)
which can makes around 500€ / month at the end

at the end it's almost cheaper to buy an airplane ticket to go to japan, live there and learn japanese


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Pikachuk wrote:
how is it "not protected", unless crunchyroll PDG lied, the money goes mostly to the studios of the anime we watched in out watch history

so even watching something licenced in the US it would be in the history so the money would go to the studio, it would still be protected by its DRM


You're giving me a headache here, dude. Let's try this another way since you don't seem to want to Google anything:

Company A has the rights to stream in the US.

Company B has the rights to stream in France.

Company A allows people in France to watch the stream.

Company B just lost money to Company A.







And ? that's the exact goal of capitalism
Competition !
Each service must be able to gain customers through commercial moves, not through monopolisation

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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
What they're doing isn't monopolization, monopolization would be if there was only 1 company that streamed all anime and no one else was allowed to stream anime at all. They would then be allowed to set whatever price they desire with no fear of any competition forcing them to lower their price or raise their service quality in order to maintain customers. Coca-Cola is the only company that can sell Coca-Cola, but that's not a monopolization because there are competitors in the soda industry. You're able to watch anime from other services but the selection you get from them is limited, just like how you can buy sodas from other soda companies but you can't get Coke from them.
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Lmao, saying Crunchyroll is racist blah blah blah because SAID COUNTRY DOESN'T HAVE THE LICENSE TO VIEW THEIR CATALOG.

Yup, this is a Crunchy problem for sure!

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What they're doing isn't monopolization, monopolization would be if there was only 1 company that streamed all anime and no one else was allowed to stream anime at all. They would then be allowed to set whatever price they desire with no fear of any competition forcing them to lower their price or raise their service quality in order to maintain customers. Coca-Cola is the only company that can sell Coca-Cola, but that's not a monopolization because there are competitors in the soda industry. You're able to watch anime from other services but the selection you get from them is limited, just like how you can buy sodas from other soda companies but you can't get Coke from them.


Your coca cola example is not valid because for instance Coca Cola, we can buy a coca cola can almost anywhere in any shop, and in these shops we can find different prices for the can


in the case of anime that's a monopolisation, only one editor can diffuse it in france for only one price, it's monopolisation
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Pikachuk wrote:


Reitrahc wrote:

What they're doing isn't monopolization, monopolization would be if there was only 1 company that streamed all anime and no one else was allowed to stream anime at all. They would then be allowed to set whatever price they desire with no fear of any competition forcing them to lower their price or raise their service quality in order to maintain customers. Coca-Cola is the only company that can sell Coca-Cola, but that's not a monopolization because there are competitors in the soda industry. You're able to watch anime from other services but the selection you get from them is limited, just like how you can buy sodas from other soda companies but you can't get Coke from them.


Your coca cola example is not valid because for instance Coca Cola, we can buy a coca cola can almost anywhere in any shop, and in these shops we can find different prices for the can


in the case of anime that's a monopolisation, only one editor can diffuse it in france for only one price, it's monopolisation


No, it isn't. Coke chooses who they allow to distribute their product just like the licensing studios do. The fact that they have chosen to give the rights to only one company is not a monopolization. There are other streaming services that offer comparable, but not identical products, just like how Pepsi offers a comparable, but not identical product to Coke. You seem to not know what monopolization really is.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

Reitrahc wrote:


Pikachuk wrote:


Reitrahc wrote:

What they're doing isn't monopolization, monopolization would be if there was only 1 company that streamed all anime and no one else was allowed to stream anime at all. They would then be allowed to set whatever price they desire with no fear of any competition forcing them to lower their price or raise their service quality in order to maintain customers. Coca-Cola is the only company that can sell Coca-Cola, but that's not a monopolization because there are competitors in the soda industry. You're able to watch anime from other services but the selection you get from them is limited, just like how you can buy sodas from other soda companies but you can't get Coke from them.


Your coca cola example is not valid because for instance Coca Cola, we can buy a coca cola can almost anywhere in any shop, and in these shops we can find different prices for the can


in the case of anime that's a monopolisation, only one editor can diffuse it in france for only one price, it's monopolisation


No, it isn't. Coke chooses who they allow to distribute their product just like the licensing studios do. The fact that they have chosen to give the rights to only one company is not a monopolization. There are other streaming services that offer comparable, but not identical products, just like how Pepsi offers a comparable, but not identical product to Coke. You seem to not know what monopolization really is.


That's not the same thing because with coke, it's more resellers, people who command coke and resell it in their own shops
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

in the case of anime that's a monopolisation, only one editor can diffuse it in france for only one price, it's monopolisation


So all the French television channels have exactly the same content, then? There are no exclusive shows that can only be watched on one of them and not the others? Or certain movies on pay channels like HBO and Showtime, whatever pay-channel equivalents exist over there?

The following article is specifically about disk sales, but the principles of how the industry works for streaming licenses are nearly the same, just some details on where are different.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-01-12/.126338

That's just the way the industry works. You want to petition something, try going after each of the hundreds of individual Japanese companies producing shows where the contractual rules are made independently of each other. Each one of those is trying to get the most they can from their efforts by offering their work to the highest bidder.

You have a very naive concept of Capitalism. It isn't just "everyone gets everything, and whoever has the best/cheapest service wins"... Capitalism is protectionism, by paying enough to gain exclusive rights to enough content to have some competitive advantage over the others.

And we in the US also have to subscribe to multiple services to get "all the anime" as well, France isn't alone in that.
Netflix has some exclusives
Amazon has some exclusives included in Prime, and also pay per series/episode on some others.
Crunchyroll has some exclusives
Funimation (still) has some exclusives
HiDive has some exclusives
Viz and a couple of others (via Hulu) also have some exclusives.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
You're absolutely right it isn't fair to the individual consumer, for a variety of reasons, to experience completely different treatment. It's legal though.

It is entirely because Wakamin said to the Japanese publisher: "Hey you. We'll pay you more than anyone else if you give us exclusive rights in France. We (Wakamin) think French people will pay anything to get anime, even if they hate us they will still pay, so we will make a ton of profit. You will too."

Broadly there are three legal options:

1. Pursue Wakamin (or whatever EU organization is involved) for unfair trade practices that go against EU/international law.
2. If they are technically within the law, petition lawmaking bodies to change the law.
3. Tell Wakamin you will not pay for their service -- and commit to waiting until they inevitably go out of business.

Many countries experience similar problems, or even worse -- their entire region is simply excluded for certain shows. Not a single publisher is available in the entire region because nobody thinks it's worth the money, or the rightsholders are greedy bastards that would rather make things impossible to see.
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Listen kid, the bottom line is whoever obtains the license to the show (in your case Wakanim, a French licensor) has the right to stream the show and nobody else can do anything about it. This has nothing to do with racism or discrimination, it's simply business. Anime licensing is essentially an auction or a bidding process where whichever licensing company offers the most amount of money in a given time they win the rights. In your case Wakanim probably offered the most (more than CR) to win the rights. Don't expect CR to win everything because they're not multi-billionaires like Amazon or Netflix.


And also, talk to an old 90's fan about why they suddenly snort milk and giggle whenever an angry fan says "I'm starting a petition!", if you were never alive to remember PetitionOnline.com.
Change.org has now taken up that fanboy-laughingstock mantle.

(How geezer am I? I even remember the early 00's, when PetitionOnline became so laughably fanboy-impotent, the angry fans tried switching to "Class-action lawsuits!" instead to vent their fanboy-grudges against MGM and Netflix, back when there were lawyers naive enough to actually take them. And the fans pretty much gave those up when the companies basically settled and gave the fans free coupons for their award.)
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
As I understand it

The problem isn't Crunchyroll

The problem is that the company with distribution rights in France (who ever they are) has chosen not to do business with Crunchyroll.

It's the same reason Crunchy doesn't show any of the titles Sentai picks up now. Sentai chose to work with Amazon instead of Crunchyroll.

Your focus should be the company that has distribution rights in France and convincing them to let Crunchyroll stream things for them.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18

Pikachuk wrote:

people in the US don't realize this kind of problem because in the US most of the simulcast have the majority of the anime, in other countries such as france, it requires 5 subscriptions at a time with some of them that are pure scam (such as wakanim with 1€/episode)
which can makes around 500€ / month at the end

at the end it's almost cheaper to buy an airplane ticket to go to japan, live there and learn japanese



You pay 1€ to buy an episode, the streaming subscription costs 5€ per month. You can't buy episodes on CR, you can only stream them.

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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
There's still a problem though, i don't talk about the licences, it's just a problem that should be fixed about the crunchyroll localisation, some anime are still displayed in the crunchyroll anime home page (even sometimes at the first page) but when we click on it we learn we can't watch it because we're french

wouldn't it be better to simply not display anime we can't watch instead of playing with nerves of people ?


here's an example









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hmm weird the images seem to not appear correctly in the forum
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