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Post Reply I've made a petition because of the "licencing problem" of crunchyroll
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Posted 3/22/18

Pikachuk wrote:

There's still a problem though, i don't talk about the licences, it's just a problem that should be fixed about the crunchyroll localisation, some anime are still displayed in the crunchyroll anime home page (even sometimes at the first page) but when we click on it we learn we can't watch it because we're french

wouldn't it be better to simply not display anime we can't watch instead of playing with nerves of people ?


I don't have that on my homepage except: when they write articles to hype new Anime so you click on it only to see that it's not for your region. It's very annoying when they leave the territories until after the jump. When you can see the regions in the teaser text, you know if it's worth it to click and get excited or if you should just keep scrolling.

Posted 3/22/18

Pikachuk wrote:

i know what they mean but actually they can be considered racist because it's explicitely based on where people live
and crunchyroll has added in THEIr rules that VPN are prohibited it wouldn't be a problem if they didn't add it


Did you get a warning for breaking the rules by using one? i though that rule was nothing more than lip service.

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but the weird thing is that it would make import illegal, which it is not,


Well while not illegal eg something you can be arrested for. Importing home video from other counties is considered a breach of license and fines could apply.
I have several that mention "this product is licensed to only be shown in the US and it's territories and Canada"
But it isn't something that distributors can be bothered chasing up.

Some distributors actually apply region restrictions to companies to shops eg rightstufanime and Aniplex of America is one.
https://www.rightstufanime.com/Oreimo-2-DVD-Complete-Box-Set-S-Limited-Edition
Quote "Due to licensing and contract restrictions, this product can be sold and shipped to the US and Canada only. This product cannot be shipped to Japan." end quote.
They also don't sell their series via global sites like Amazon.

Region codes DVD 1-5 and Blu ray A-C was meant to you know lock people out. The funny thing is such as region codes are actually illegal under consumer law to apply in Australia.
Originally Dvd players where required to have 5 minimum region code changes. So you could buy 1 dvd player and watch nothing but Region 1 content and it would last potentially forever. Then have another one for Region 4 etc.
Later these where dropped to be Region 4 only. After some distributors claimed that it was a back door to content that was banned due to being refused classification (banned from sale.)

One of your issues is your arguments are kinda messed up.

1. People in the US have access to everything.
CR does not have all content in the US. They like all countries have to use several sites. Hulu, Hidive, Netflix, Amazon prime. I can't think of any region that has access to everything on one legal service anime or not.

2. It's only CR's fault
Not CR's fault at all. While watching shows shares your revenue with the company who made it they still have to pay for the shows licensing costs too.
If a region has 10,000 premium members how exactly would they be able to license every show? If each show costs $20,000 to license? In 3 months the combined total of $208,500 (does not include membership discounts) does not cover the required $600,000 if there was 30 shows in the season. Also note this does not count the data costs or site staff admins translators etc too. But does show money does not go as far as people think/make out
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They are a business not a charity after all. What you want is business suicide. Effectively running in the red until all their cash reserves run out. Banks wont say here is unlimited money with no interest have fun bye. After a while it says so how about that that money we paid you any chance of some of it back?
If a person attempted to live on a credit card for their entire life and never pay it off you would find they would be sent to court and declared bankrupt likely after 5 years or so. Chances are they would cut the credit line before that though.

3. But there should only be once source for all content.
While nice for the consumer. Business standpoint wise far from it. Local distributors just don't have deep enough pockets to do this.
Also lets say slice of life shows are extremely unpopular in your region. Why on earth would someone go and license them each season? sometimes all CR gets is scraps.

The only way for there to be content on one site would be if someone with more money then brain cells bought every distributor/licensor on the planet. Then every country had the same population and every would be required to watch it. As other wise a population of 1 million country would have to pay 30x as much to watch then a country with 30million.

CR has worked this out and thought outside the box and has become a production partner which is a much easier way of licensing as this means they get licenses by default so removed the middle man. So have controlling power over region distribution.
But shows sub-licensed from Funimation/Sentai filmworks/Viz media/Aniplex of America/Nis America and all the rest aren't going to change.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
TL;DR OP wants Crunchyroll to break the law so they don't have to pay for a product or service.

Crunchyroll isn't discriminating against you. The rights holders license out their content to the provider/distributor that offers them the most money. Crunchyroll was not the highest bidder. Crunchyroll does not have licensing rights in your country.

There is no discrimination/racism/xenophobia happening here. Its called business and the jumbled mess of international copyright and distribution laws.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/23/18
Just pirate it. When it becomes available, buy it.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
This operates in the same way that premium French TV/cable channels buy exclusive rights to broadcast certain sporting events. As different channels buy different exclusive rights this may force viewers to subscribe to several services to watch all the sport they want.

There was an interesting development in France last year where they ruled that a certain exclusive sports deal was illegal.

If that ruling is extended to cover anime licensing it may open up the French market. Or it could backfire with fewer companies willing to buy rights that their government will later rule are illegal.
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Posted 3/22/18 , edited 3/22/18
Exclusive deals can be considered a monopoly depending on far the "exclusivity" goes, as far as licencing, it probably won't apply due to how intellectual property works.

At the OP, it seems most people are just repeating each other without really stepping into why licencing can work the way it does. Anime producers make contracts with the original creator to rent out their IP (intellectual property) for some money. The creator may or may not have a say on storyboard depending on the contract is set up, but they won't have a say anywhere else. The producers then create the shows and licence their work to local tv stations to air and overseas companies to stream. Since they hold the IP for the anime, they have absolute control where the companies they licence to can show their product. The restrictions in France is probably due to the local France streaming company paid more to have the exclusive rights to show their product. I wouldn't really call it a monopoly since this company is paying more to rent certain (probably most) shows, while the other sites are showing a few. Since other sites are legal and available, this French company still has competition. Two legal routes can be taken from here, have the government step in the cut back this company (which isn't a good idea for the market in the long term), or hope for other companies to emerge and create a better, stronger field. Since this company is local, it only has to deal with everything related to France, but CR is worldwide. While more funds might be available to CR, they must think about which licences to get and where to dump money to get them to stream. They won't spend a certain amount in certain places since it probably won't be profitable.
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Posted 3/23/18
It's that bad for France?
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Posted 3/23/18

Yoshithehero wrote:

It's that bad for France?


Yes and no. It's better than the situation in other European countries but you still have to worry that some titles, even the big ones, won't get licensed. However, at least CR costs less than it does in North America.
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Posted 3/23/18 , edited 3/23/18

Pikachuk wrote:

And ? that's the exact goal of capitalism
Competition !
Each service must be able to gain customers through commercial moves, not through monopolisation



Nope, capatalism has no natural desire for competition.

In fact, if unregulated most companies will quickly move to monopolistic practices.

Add to that Fance's history of protecting their domestic companies from international competition and you shouldn't be surprised at the outcome.

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Posted 3/23/18

Pikachuk wrote:

"i want to legally get my anime"
"where do you live"
"france"
"fuck you then"


....I'm pretty sure that considering that anime's pretty popular in France, that you could probably find someone who licensed whatever you wanted to watch.....
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Posted 3/24/18

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....I'm pretty sure that considering that anime's pretty popular in France, that you could probably find someone who licensed whatever you wanted to watch.....


This is so far from correct that I almost want to post a reaction gif. Which I never do. Props.

To be less snarky for a moment, just... no. I have to assume that you're in NA, because European licensing is a pain in the proverbial rear. It's a lot better nowadays (at least in the UK), with most new shows being simulcast, but just trying to find popular shows from, say, 2010 is a challenge. (I still recall the nightmare that was trying to find Nichijou legitimately.) And this is all assuming that you're OK with sourcing a home video release. If, for whatever reason, this isn't a feasible option for you, then you're generally screwed. There's a reason that you hear so many EU residents (even western Europeans) complaining about the amount of shows on CR that they can't watch due to licensing issues.
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Posted 3/24/18

Nogara-san wrote:

....I'm pretty sure that considering that anime's pretty popular in France, that you could probably find someone who licensed whatever you wanted to watch.....


Again from a UK perspective, finding who has licensed a series is only half the battle.

There are shows where the Europe-wide rights have been sold to one company but they only choose to release in a small number of countries as they don't want to put in the effort to translate and distribute the show in another language (an example being a French company who has the European rights to Dragonball and Dragonball Z).

There are also companies who decide after they have bought a licence that they have made a mistake and that trying to distribute the show will cause them further losses. They then sit on their licence and no one in the region can watch the show (an example being a UK company who is sitting on the licence to Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle season 2).
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Posted 3/24/18

Noerdic wrote:


Nogara-san wrote:
....I'm pretty sure that considering that anime's pretty popular in France, that you could probably find someone who licensed whatever you wanted to watch.....


This is so far from correct that I almost want to post a reaction gif. Which I never do. Props.

To be less snarky for a moment, just... no. I have to assume that you're in NA, because European licensing is a pain in the proverbial rear. It's a lot better nowadays (at least in the UK), with most new shows being simulcast, but just trying to find popular shows from, say, 2010 is a challenge. (I still recall the nightmare that was trying to find Nichijou legitimately.) And this is all assuming that you're OK with sourcing a home video release. If, for whatever reason, this isn't a feasible option for you, then you're generally screwed. There's a reason that you hear so many EU residents (even western Europeans) complaining about the amount of shows on CR that they can't watch due to licensing issues.


Well, shit, I didn't know.....Sorry...
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Posted 3/24/18

MidoriNoTora wrote:


Nogara-san wrote:

....I'm pretty sure that considering that anime's pretty popular in France, that you could probably find someone who licensed whatever you wanted to watch.....


Again from a UK perspective, finding who has licensed a series is only half the battle.

There are shows where the Europe-wide rights have been sold to one company but they only choose to release in a small number of countries as they don't want to put in the effort to translate and distribute the show in another language (an example being a French company who has the European rights to Dragonball and Dragonball Z).

There are also companies who decide after they have bought a licence that they have made a mistake and that trying to distribute the show will cause them further losses. They then sit on their licence and no one in the region can watch the show (an example being a UK company who is sitting on the licence to Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle season 2).


Again. I truly didn't know. From reading certain sites and magazines, I assumed that licensing overseas was similar
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Posted 3/30/18 , edited 3/30/18
What the OP doesn't realize is they're basically asking for world peace and the eradication of conflict.

This sort of thing will never happen because:

A) There is no global law or way to enforce it
B) Instead we have trade agreements
C) which are all about doing unjust things to different people on another part of the planet

A naive kid such as yourself might say 'well ok lets just make everything just?' - yes, talk to me after you've eradicated all dicatators, after you've solved the hundreds and hundreds of problems the world has, then we can go about building your utopia.

Until then, 'aint happenin', kid.

So yeah, if you can do the following:

A) Overthrow all world governments
B) Control for human overpoplutation
C) Reverse Pollution/Climate Change
D) Jail/rehabilitate the top brass of just about every (if not all) corporation for unethical and self-centered behaviors
E) Remove the needs for employment altogether

Then, yeah, sure, then I'm sure Crunchyroll can figure something out where everybody has equal access to everything.
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