Post Reply My Journey Through Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0 (Visual Novels) **SPOILERS**
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Technically Visual Novels are games, but they seem more like Manga to me, so I am posting this in the Manga section instead of the gaming section.

In anticipation of the Steins;Gate 0 anime coming in just a couple of weeks, I want to chronicle my thoughts and theories as I read through the Steins; Gate Visual Novel, which I started Christmas 2017 and finished a couple of weeks into January 2018. I am also in the midst of reading through Steins;Gate 0 and hopefully will finish all the endings before the anime starts. I am sure the anime will use the True Ending, and I want to save that as my last ending.

I actually posted these thoughts on the Funimation forums as I was reading through the novel, but I figured I would go back and collect them and repost here. I will try to make notes where separate posts started.

I didn’t watch the Steins;Gate Anime until after completing the VN, so I make reference to that several times.

Note that this entire post is going to be full of spoilers for Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0.

I’ve finished Steins;Gate, so feel free to discuss away without fear of spoiling, but I have only reached the Gehenna Stigma Ending for Steins;Gate 0, so please don’t post any spoilers for any of the other endings of Steins;Gate 0


First Post

Working through the Prologue and Chapter 1-3

Steins;Gate was only the second visual novel I have ever read. Well, honestly, I have done the Fate route of Fate/Stay Night, and that took me something like 70 hours of actual play time to complete(I went back and tried every single choice to get all but 1 bad end), so I held off on progressing to the UBW route.

I got hooked on Steins;Gate fairly quickly. Really, nothing of great interest happens in the Prologue or First Chapter, but I thought it was funny, and I liked the anime references. I've played about 11 hours to this point, and I am well into Chapter 3. Now the story is actually starting to take off.

I am wondering who did the translation. For the most part it is really good (they even spell 'judgment' correctly, which is uncommon). However, I have noticed a few grammatical mistakes. (e.g. 'an' is used quite frequently when 'a' should have been used, like "an secret".). I believe there was also a point when either 'to' was substituted for 'the' or vice versa.

Also there are some CG backgrounds with English text (newspaper/magazine articles etc.) I assume those are common to every version of the game. The grammar in those CG backgrounds is horrendously bad. Worse than any google translation of text I have ever seen. They usually don't even make any sense. It reminds me of a letter written in English in "The Pet Girl of Sakurasou". The letter was supposed to have been written by a native speaker of English, but it was full of horrible grammatical mistakes. Couldn't these companies find ANYONE who could write a passable sentence in English?

Kurisu constantly slips @channel memes into conversations, so it's obvious she posts on @channel. Considering to this point, there have only been 3 users in @channel not posting as Anonymous, and one is John Titor and the other is Okabe (as Hououin) and then the third is "KuriGohan and Kamehameha". "KuriGohan and Kamehameha" is very knowledgeable about physics, plus the handle starting with Kuri, it's obvious that Kurisu Makise is "KuriGohan and Kamehameha". The fact that she has really run Hououin down on @channel and even said she believes that he is double posting as Hououin and Titor, it's kind of a wonder that she has sought Okabe out. She obviously doesn't have much respect for him on @channel, and she knows Okabe goes by Hououin Kyouma.
I've seen Kurisu used as an example of a classic Tsundere before, but at this point in the Novel, it's hard to see how she even stands Okabe. From her viewpoint, the first time she ever met Okabe, he was groping her and trying to undress her. They call him a chuuni. I worked at a major library and we actually saw people who talked like him...we didn't call them chuuni, we called them mentally ill, and we avoided them. At 18 years old, it's not childhood fantasies anymore.

Okay, so the next mystery that hasn't been spoiled for me yet is who is John Titor. At this point, I am suspecting Moeka or Suzuha. Both of them know about the IBN 5100, although Moeka is looking for it and seems very desperate to find it. As Okabe has pointed out, she doesn't have the personality that fits the job she claims to have. Suzuha is also weird. She calls herself a warrior, said she only recently learned how to ride a bike. She said the friend she had who knew about the IBN 5100 is dead and has a weird grudge against Kurisu. Consider that she has never met Kurisu before, but has a grudge against her, I am wondering if she is like Okabe, and has memories from a different timeline divergence. Then there are the weird circumstances around finding the IBN 5100 at the temple. If I remember correctly, Faris said she donated the IBN 5100 to the temple 10 years before (she would have been 7...). Then Luka's dad said the person who donated it said "If a young man ever comes and asks to borrow it, let him borrow it" If a 7 year old girl donated the computer, I am sure he would have mentioned that.

Second Post

I finished Chapter 4 last night. I'm up to about 17 hours of play/read time.
There a few twists in the plot that I didn't like.
1. Moeka changed the past and prevented herself from buying a new cell phone. Until another past changing D-mail is sent, it seems the rest of the crew never met her, so she isn't a lab mem anymore. Well after a couple of more D-mails the crew seems to know her again, but since the IBN 5100 was lost after the Luka D-mail, she still doesn't seem to be a lab mem. That makes me sad, because I want more Moeka, she's one of my favorite characters.
2. Luka sends out his D-mail wanting to change himself to a girl. The premise is telling his mother to eat vegetables when she is pregnant. This premise is put forth by the supposed genius scientist girl, Kurisu. Somehow, this D-mail ends up working. This isn’t proof that eating veggies turned Luka into a girl, but considering the D-mail (actually pager text) was sent to his mother when she was already pregnant, what is the implication here? The gender of a child is determined at conception. The determining factor is what chromosome the father's sperm cell fuses with the mother's egg. It has nothing to do with what the mother eats. Well, unless this is explained later, then it's a mistake by the author. However, I'm going to project the author's mistake onto Kurisu. She's a genius scientist, even if her specialty was physics, then she should know that the gender of a child is determined by the father, and determined at conception. It reminds me of a rant I had about "Heavy Object" and Froleytia saying she had to join the military to get away from suitors because with her genetics, she was almost guaranteed to have male children. This also seems to be the change that lost them the IBN 5100.
3. Faris sends a D-mail to her father 10 years in the past. Okay, well I'm still marveling over the fact that a 7 year old girl donated the IBN 5100 to the shrine. Anyway, I am guessing since Faris said she was very heavily involved in the running of Akihabra that her dad was probably killed somehow and her D-mail prevented that. I noticed right away after the text that all of the anime images disappeared from the CG depicting Akihabra.

Luka's and Faris's past changing D-mails both went WAY back. Those are some major changes to be made, and it seems weird that Okabe, Daru and Mayushii were still in Faris's apartment after that D-mail, or that Luka was still in the lab after his/her D-mail. It’s weird enough that they all still knew each other, but I guess that could be explained away as space-time pushing them together to keep changes from being too drastic, but for them to be in the same place after those D-mails is kind of odd.

After Okabe's scare thinking that Moeka blinked out of existence, and after he lost the IBN 5100 to a D-mail and then having Akihabra change so drastically after a D-mail, you would think he wouldn't want to experiment anymore, but he is still going around trying to get people to change the past. For all he knows he may end up negating his own existence, or something worse. I mean, now he isn't even sure if he can find the IBN 5100 again. What if he finds it again, and then a D-mail just wipes it out of existence? Why does he continue to screw with the past, when he knows the consequences can be dire even for a very small change?

So all of these changes make me go back and think about the first Reading Steiner event Okabe experienced. The one that embedded the satellite into the building, canceled the Dr, Nakibachi (I googled his name to make sure I spelled it correctly and I believe I just spoiled something for myself...T_T) Press Conference and kept Kurisu from being killed. It's obvious the satellite being embedded in the building caused the police to close down that street, and caused the people to disappear in Okabe's perspective. I don't know how he hasn't figured that out by this point. It also stopped the press conference and kept Kurisu from meeting her killer. The question is, what happened to cause the satellite to be embedded in the building? Before the change event, it apparently appeared on the roof of the building, and the building staff didn't seem all that surprised by it. At this point I am wondering if that is John Titor's time machine. But what changed to make it go from the roof, to being embedded in the building? Okabe sent the D-mail (unawares) telling Daru that Kurisu was stabbed, but how would that have changed where the "satellite" ended up, and also when the "satellite" got there, because in the first timeline it seemed to have appeared on the roof moments before the press conference started, but in this timeline it was embedded in the building early enough to keep Okabe from entering the building. This change event also seems to have altered the John Titor events. Okabe remembers him coming 10 years before, and being an American. After this first Reading Steiner event, Titor appears in the story's present, and seems to be Japanese. How did a 5 day old D-mail changed that? Perhaps it was the series of events that D-mail set in place, which changed the future and altered the year Titor traveled to, and possibly altered who Titor is.

Okabe met Kurisu for the first time at the press conference before the first change event. She told him that he had met with her just minutes before, nearly crying and trying to warn her about something. Of course the D-mail he sent to the past would warn him about her getting stabbed, but at the time he had no idea who she was, and he doesn't exactly seem like the type to go out of his way to help a stranger, so why would he have gone to her nearly crying to warn her that she was going to be killed? Seems more likely his future-self traveled into the past to warn her, after he falls in love with her (it's obvious he is going to fall in love with her)...although that begs the question, if she died, how did a timeline get set up where Okabe met her and fell in love with her? You can say, the "satellite" embedded in the building cancels the press conference, and keeps her from getting killed, setting up the timeline where Okabe meets her and falls in love with her. But if so, why would he need to travel back to warn her? That's another question, if there are multiple timelines existing at once, can you travel back into the past and access another timeline? This also brings up the point that, Okabe’s Reading Steiner ability lets him remember what happened in the timeline he came from, but he can’t remember things from the new timeline.

Mauyshi also reminds him that he had a bad fever for about a month when he was a kid (10 years before? About the time that John Titor appeared in the first timeline of the story?) The description makes this sound like a Reading Steiner event. Why did he get so sick when this happened? Why doesn’t he get that sick now? If he knows it’s possible he can get that sick, isn’t it another indication thate he should stop the D-mail experiments?

There’s still no clear indication of who John Titor is, but much more evidence that pushes me to my previous speculation about Moeka and Shuzuha. In fact a revelation at the end of Chapter 4 really pushes me to believing Suzuha is John Titor. Throughout the novel she’s amazed by fairly mundane and common place things. She just learned how to ride a bike and she is amazed by the moe culture around Akihabra, as well as other daily aspects of life. If you go back to John Titor’s descriptions of the future ruled by SERN, it sounds like a huge regression of technology. The world goes into a Dark Ages it seems, more pastoral, and probably information is controlled very tightly by SERN. Despotic Governments usually control information very tightly and keep study of history tightly controlled. She was also the one who told Okabe to e-mail John Titor when he started explaining his Reading Steiner to her. This fact makes it seem odd when Okabe starts showing her @channel threads involving John Titor. He should have known by this point that she was aware of John Titor and what he was doing. Considering she told Okabe to e-mail John Titor, it seems she was more aware of Titor’s knowledge than Okabe was. Side note, I’d also like to point out the fact that Kurisu constantly references John Titor around Okabe, this even more than her meme references should have shown him that she was an @channeler. Then Suzuha tells Okabe that her father goes by the name Titor. Okabe instantly mentions John Titor, and she instantly says that’s not him, he goes by “Barrel Titor”. Okay, even if he goes by Barrel, it’s possible he could use the pseudonym “John” on @channel, but she brushes that off right away. The surest way for her to know that her father is not posting as John Titor, would be if she herself were posting as John Titor. If I remember correctly, she was also the one who said something about how awful detention camps were when Okabe went on some rant about “The Organization”. Other than her talk about being a warrior and eating bugs, she doesn’t seem the type to suffer delusions like Okabe and Faris. So perhaps she experienced detention camps in the future.

So I am starting to theorize that Suzuha is John Titor, Suzuha is from the future, and she is looking for her father in the past. Her father was supposed to be at an Offline Meet for a message board which discusses Time Travel. Daru was supposed to have gone to that same offline meet, but got tricked out of it, and Okabe said if he had known the purpose of it, he would have gone. This leaves open the possibility that Daru or Okabe could be Suzuha’s father, if she turns out to be from the future. This also hints back to her grudge against Kurisu, considering they both claim to have never met. Assuming Suzuha is from the future, could Kurisu be her mother, who wronged her somehow? Could Kurisu have done something to Suzuha’s father or mother? Does Kurisu join SERN and help them suppress the population? If Suzuha is John Tito, however, how does finding her father further her mission to save the future from SERN?
Then there’s the question of Moeka. Now that the timeline has changed and she is no longer a lab mem, and they don’t have the IBN 5100, she seems to be more obsessed than ever. Okabe finds her mumbling in the street about being assured by “FB” that it was in Akihabra. I think she asked Okabe earlier if he was an “FB”. So, is Moeka from the future? Is she from the present but working with someone from the future? I don’t think she has met Suzuha yet, and I am not sure Okabe has mentioned her to Suzuha, or Suzuha to her. Could she even be Suzuha’s mother?
My last thought for events happening up to the end of Chapter 4. It seems obvious to me that the “lifter” which is allowing the naked singularity and D-mails to go through is a CRT (the 42” CRT) in the shop below. They said the hours of the shop are 11AM-7PM, and that’s when the electric sparks occur.
This is one of those stories where you want to have pen and paper close at hand so you can write things down to remember for later.

Third Post

I just finished Chapter 5......Moeka isn't my favorite character anymore T_T. I feel like she betrayed me personally...
Well I was right about the 42 inch CRT being the lifter. At this point it's almost 100% certain Suzuha is from the future, and I am still thinking she is John Titor. She told Okabe that Kurisu gets credit for the time machine,and she seemed to know that SERN was about to attack.

I had a bad premonition about Moeka when they found her on the street and told her about time leap and she started laughing and ran off.

If SERN wanted to silence them, why didn't they just kill them all right away? I suppose they wanted them to help work on the time machine, but in that case it doesn't make sense to kill Mayuri either. They should have wanted to take her as leverage. It's unlikely that a team of people are going to work with you if you tell them you plan to silence them and then kill their close friend right in front of their faces.

Why would SERN have a person like Moeka run an operation like that? She could barely interact with people, and she seemed shaky and hesitant when it came time to use force. (these facts make me want to hold out hope that she could become good, but she shot Mayuri in cold blood and told the black dude to kill Kurisu and Okabe.)

SERN also seemed to know the future (Moeka knew that Okabe would go public the next day with the time leap machine)...obviously they would probably send information back in time to themselves to stop Okabe's crew...but at the same time, they could have sent that info back to themselves to perfect their time travel faster.
Now there’s the mystery of what the heck is FB that Moeka keeps talking about...maybe a person from the future who runs SERN

I also learned Kurisu is a Neuroscientist...which is obviously a branch of Biology...so makes me facepalm even more that she brought up eating veggies as a means to choose the gender of a child.

Fourth Post

I'm just starting into Chapter 6 and I can't believe how freaking stupid Okabe is.

HE FREAKING KNOWS about time leap by time he leaps back into....yet he ignores the fact that he had his phone to his ear when he had what he thought was a dream. He ignores ALL the warning signs...what an idiot. I wish at this point he had jumped in front of Mayuri and gotten shot instead.

They gave a bit of back story for the reason he has all of his delusions, but those seem to indicate that he should only act that way around Mayuri and not everyone else.

I know so many people who hate Shirou from Fate/Stay Night. I have never understood that, but right now I am hating Okabe for his delusions and stupidity.

Then he gets a second chance. Instead of giving Kurisu and Daru a quick explanation that he time leaped and they are in danger....he simply tells them to leave the lab. He tells them to go back to their homes, which certainly SERN knows about, and SERN can get them at their homes.

Then he ignores a great opportunity to get Suzuha to help him. Then he ignores the warning that Moeka gave him that SERN had people waiting at all the train stations in Akihabra.
His stupidity is astounding.

Okay well, Chapter 6 has turned into Groundhogs Day or Edge of Tomorrow. Nothing he does can prevent Mayuri from dying. Most of Okabe’s work arounds seem kind of stupid. He should have asked Moeka who FB is. He should go to Suzuha for help. It should be obvious to him by now that she is from the future, and she wants to help him, and she is a capable fighter, and probably has more knowledge about the workings of time.

Fifth Post

Well it looks like I was right about Suzuha being John Titor. At least she claims she is, but it could still be a lie, and she could be working against them. She also claims to have been born in 2017...neat coincidence.

Looks like I was right about the "satellite" being a time machine. This still leaves me with the question of what caused the worldlines to diverge in the Prologue. I still can 't figure out if it was the D-mail Okabe sent telling Daru that Kurisu was stabbed, and if it was, how could that have changed the worldlines causing the time machine to appear in the building instead of on top and apparently caused it to come earlier. Also the fact that Kurisu said Okabe appeared before her warning her; since he didn't have a Reading Steiner moment between when she claimed he confronted her, and when she took him aside, it almost has to mean it is him from the future trying to warn her.

I am guessing that probably has something to do with one of the endings, perhaps the true ending, but if it is the true ending, then Kurisu will die in the true ending.

Sixth Post

I'm starting to believe Daru is Suzuha's father. Her father was a founding member of the resistance with Okabe. She has really started to get along with him and respect him. Also the street vendor who says he had the badge made seems to indicate the person who asked for it to be made was a big possibly fat guy.

Seventh Post

Well I was right, Daru is Suzuha's father. I have to say, I had teary eyes during that whole reveal and what happened afterwards where Suzuha lost her memory, failed her mission and killed herself.

Chapter 6 really feels like Edge of Tomorrow now, where Okabe can't seem to get any outcome to go his way and he seems determined to just keep living the same days over again and making the most he can with his friends. I guess the question is, can he stay immortal this way, or will the Time leaps eventually fry his brain?

At this point I have to blame their experimentation with time and D-Mails. They had the IBN 5100 and lost it due to their experimentation. Instead of going back and preventing them from stopping Suzuha from going to 1975, why don't they use D-mail to stop the Luka D-Mail experiment, that's where they lost the IBN 5100. Stop that time change, and then use D-mail to tell themselves to stop dragging their feet using the IBN 5100...use it and erase the first D-Mail from SERN's server.

Eighth Post

Suzuha even mentioned Groundhog Day....apparently it is called Koi wa Dejavu in Japanese
Well...I just reached my first ending, suddenly and unexpectedly. After only 6 chapters, and I know there are at least 10 Chapters

It was the Suzuha ending called "Irreversible Reboot" Okabe and Suzuha both go to 1975, and the story ends there. There’s no way to know if they were successful or not…just a cliffhanger ending.
It took me 29 hours to reach it. 5 more endings to go, of course I will skip a bunch of stuff...but this is going to take a while still.

Ninth Post

Well I've started chapter 7 by changing my choice which let Suzuha leave for 1975 a few days earlier. She still dies and Okabe still doesn't have the IBN 5100, and Mayuri still dies, but a day later.

This VN has had me in tears a lot the past couple of days

Kurisu has finally clued Okabe into something that has been obvious to me for so long. He needs to prevent the D-Mail that lost them the IBN 5100.

Now Okabe is fooling around trying to figure out what Faris changed. The IBN 5100 disappeared before she sent her d-mail. I think it should be obvious that it was the Luka D-Mail that lost him the IBN 5100. Instead of trying to figure out what Faris did, why not just send a D-mail to before the Luka D-mail and tell themselves to stop sending D-mails that the results are catastrophic. Then send another D-Mail saying "Use the IBN 5100 to erase the SERN database"

Tenth Post

Well Faris tricked Okabe...big surprise, although she did eventually remember.
How the heck can street thugs chase people through the street for hours and not attract the cops??? Come on Japan...
So it seems they are going to the Faris time change to show where the IBN 5100 went missing....however, it was clearly missing before Faris sent her D-Mail. It went missing after the Luka D-mail and Okabe found out that it was donated to the shrine and then went missing. Obviously the Faris time change could cause the IBN 5100 to go missing as well.

However, as I have been saying all along, why don't they just send a D-Mail to the past telling themselves to stop changing the past? It was really stupid of them to let Luka and Faris make changes to events so far in the past to begin with.

Faris has said she can remember events from both world lines...that's pretty amazing...even more amazing than Okabe's Reading Steiner, since he can only remember events form the previous world line before the change

Eleventh Post

Well, now I have reached my second ending, the Faris Ending "Isolated Jamais Vu"
Still a sad ending, but I think possibly happier than the Suzuha ending.

Seems like in this world line Mayuri likely survives . Also since Okabe stays in the present and Mayuri and Daru are still around, he can make friends with them even if he isn't already friends with them. Although, I am wondering how did saving Faris’s father 10 years in the past prevent Okabe from ever meeting Mayuri? He and Mayuri knew each other for longer than 10 years. Of course nothing was ever explained about what changed in that timeline.

The IBN 5100 doesn't even come into play though, and of course Okabe doesn't create his time machine. I would like to say that SERN wouldn’t be able to conquer the world since they don't gain Okabe and Kurisu's time machine and won't have Kurisu to help them complete their research, but Okabe did find Suzuha's divergence meter, so she obviously did have to travel back in time for some reason.

So far these endings seem like Dating simulator endings, Okabe ends up with a different girl in each ending.

Twelfth Post

I've reached my third ending "Luka's Ending" "Link of Corruption and Rebirth"
This is the first ending that has really frustrated me. I feel more anger than sadness at this ending. for several reasons
1. This one felt the most like a dating simulator. Obviously, because it was about taking Luka out on dates
2. It just dragged on and on and on. There was too much useless exposition, chit chat and banter. This is the first time I have said "come on, will this ever end" while reading this VN
3. This is the first time anyone's fate has been decided. In the Suzuha ending, Okabe and Suzuha leap back in time. There is no knowing what happens after that, in the Faris ending, Faris's dad is saved and apparently Mayuri doesn't die either. So obviously Mayuri doesn't seem fated to die in the Faris ending, In the Luka ending, Mayuri ends up dead...period. The first time there has been a truly bad outcome.
4. Okabe claims he was doing this for Luka. No, he was doing it for himself, and it was a horrible decision. He was tired of knowing the consequences of his actions. In the end, he let Mayuri die. Now not only does he know he let her die, but so do Luka and Kurisu. Not only is he going to have to bear the burden of Mayuri's death, so will Luka. Luka even told him, it wasn't worth not changing back into a guy if it meant Mayuris's death. He also consequently doomed another person( Luka) to be disconnected from causality. So I think he really screwed over Luka, while claiming to do it for her. Not only that, but erasing Luka’s D-mail would actually fix the mistakes he made in the past. As he pointed out, while trying to save the memories of female Luka, he is erasing the memories of male Luka. He is erasing Mayuri's existence. He's erased the memories of countless people. He may as well go ahead and just fix what he screwed up
.
Plus I have to go back to the point I keep making. Why is it necessary to try and send D-mails which counteract the D-mails which originally changed the timeline. Why not just use D-mail to warn your past selves that using D-mail carelessly has screwed up the time line immeasurably?

I was reading back through my thoughts and something just occurred to me. In the first World line, where Okabe attends the press conference and Kurisu gets stabbed.....Suzuha was probably the one who killed Kurisu, to stop her from helping SERN complete their time machine.


Thirteenth Post

I'm working my way through Chapter 9 now. I guess I am starting to feel some sympathy for Moeka, but I wonder how much of that is just because I liked her so much to begin with. She is obviously a person easy to manipulate and she was brain washed.

I am not sure why Okabe didn't ask her, "if you never met FB or talked on the phone with FB, how do you know that it is a woman, anyone can pretend in e-mail.” I'm also not sure why it wasn't obvious to him from the beginning that Moeka changed her D-Mail to let herself know where the IBN 5100 was before Okabe found it. Also again...why is it necessary to counteract her D-mail...Just D-mail yourself in the past and say "Moeka is SERN, don't trust her" This would prevent her from ever sending the D-Mail to begin with.

I guess I am surprised that Braun ended up being a Rounder, but I never liked him, so his death is rather meaningless to me. His talk about Rounders being expendable doesn't make sense. Moeka was easily fooled, and she never knew she was expendable when recruited. Braun doesn't seem as easily fooled. Why did he sign on? Seems like he knew he was expendable BEFORE he handed over the IBN 5100. IN that case, why hand it over, if you know just finding one gets you killed. Why does SERN kill the people who find the IBN 5100? I mean, those seem to be the people who are the best at their job. If knowledge of the IBN 5100 alone is enough to get them killed, then what about all the people out there who never find one? They still know what they are looking for, so that is still dangerous knowledge.

Now that I know Braun is a Rounder, I almost wonder if Nae pushed Mayuri in front of the train on purpose. Maybe Braun raised his own daughter to be a killer.

Also, with the number of time changes they made, it seems likely the butterfly effect would have prevented them from sending some of those D-mails in the different world lines. It also seems odd, that every single 1 of those D-Mails results in the loss of the IBN 5100. Faris's D-mail causes her dad to sell it off before Okabe can get it. Luka's e-mail causes her to break it and Moeka's D-mail allows her to find it before him. It was after the Luka D-mail that he first found out it was missing though, although I believe Mokea sent her D-Mail first, so it would have been missing before Luka sent his. Either way, if I were Okabe, the first D-mail I would have changed would have been Luka's not Faris's

EDIT

Well, just after I posted this, Nae showed up and murdered Moeka and promised to murder Okabe in 15 years...so, yeah, I think she was capable of pushing Mayuri in front of the train on purpose.

It also occurred to me, that even if they keep Mokea from finding the IBN 5100 before them, in Worldline Alpha, they let her know they had it...so they are still in danger of her stealing it, or having the hit team come in and kill them to get it. Which again pushes me to say...they should just D-mail themselves not to trust Moeka. I am kind of hoping this leads to an ending where they can be friends with Moeka though. I did really like her before she betrayed them.

At the same time, as she was dying, she said FB made her feel like the Rounders was the only place she belonged. Sure, FB had a much longer time to brain wash her, but Okabe made her a lab mem and Mayuri and all the others accepted her and gave her another place to belong. Perhaps that will be a place for her to belong

Afterall, the badge that Suzuha gave them which commemorated the Lab Mems said OSHM***A 2010

O for Okabe Rintaro, S for Shina Mayuri, H for Hashida Itaru M for Makise Kurisu, A for Amane Suzuha
so, what the heck are the *** for? Gotta be U for Urushibarua Lukako, A for Akiha Ruhmio and K for Kiryou Moeka

So I am hoping there is an ending where all the Lab mems can be together at the end as friends.

That also makes me wonder...did Daru AKA Barrel Titor know that he met his daughter before she was born??? Or did he not know that the Suzuha he met in the past was his daughter?

ANOTHER EDIT

Okay, so it seems little kid Nae wasn't murderous, it was her future self who time leapt.
A couple of things don't make sense though

1. Okabe sent the D-Mail pretending to be FB and telling Moeka to abandon the search. He should have known that it would be easy enough for the real FB to say...”no I didn't send that message, you need to keep looking.” Though for some reason FB did tell her to stop looking....odd.
2. Nae said she would capture and kill Okabe in 15 years. She said Okabe founded the resistance. But from everything so far, it seems SERN doesn't take over the world for another 26 years. So why would Okabe have founded the resistance 11 years before SERN took over the world? I guess you can't reason with an insane person either, but how in the world can she blame Okabe when he wasn't even there when her father killed himself? It was SERN that was responsible for his death...yet she joined SERN to kill Okabe.....

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I've reached the Mayuri ending now "Stardust Sky"
I've got some problems with this ending too.
1. Erasing the D-mail from SERN's database is the first time they changed world lines without using D-mail. The first time an event in the present changed world lines. Since Okabe was always going to make the decision he made, technically as soon as he countered Moeka's D-Mail, they should have jumped world lines. Even so, why would they jump back to the Alpha Wordline, why wouldn't they jump to another world line all together, say the Gamma world line? Erasing the D-mail doesn't prevent it from being sent, just prevents SERN from finding it. I suppose you could say, since SERN doesn't find them, they can't complete their time machine in the future, conquer the world and because of that Suzuha doesn't go back in time and prevent the Nakibachi Press Conference thereby keeping Kurisu out of harms way. Also, this really seems to point out that SERN from the future is sending info back to the past, because SERN should have already been on to them by the time they deleted it from the database.
2. What was the point of telling Mayuri that either she was going to die, or Kurisu was going to die, if they were not going to let her have any input in the decision? So they just made her feel responsible for Kurisu's death (like Luka felt responsible for Mayuri's death in the Luka ending) but didn't give her a chance to make her own choice. Also, when she asked if she could have snacks while Okabe explained the situation he told her "this is serious"...but then that idiot went into his stupid chunibyou "mad scientist act"...then he did that crap again right as he was about to erase Kurisu's existence. That crap makes it really hard to like him at all. You would think after the constant time leaps and world line changes he has endured, that he would have gotten over that by now.
3. The entire fact that a "satellite" did appear on top of Radi-Kan in the Alpha worldline, on the roof if not embedded in the building, was completely ignored. In fact Okabe never once mentioned remembering that "satellite" or the fact that Kurisu told him he appeared before her 15 minutes before the Press Conference tying to warn her. How could he forget something like that? He seemed to remember everything else pretty clearly.
Also on the last point, I said before that maybe Suzuha was the one who murdered Kurisu. If that were the case, then it would mean SERN still does conquer the world, and Suzuha still blames Kurisu. But, now I am thinking the "satellite" that ended up on the roof, may have been Okabe coming from the future to try and save Kurisu, especially since she told Okabe that he appeared before her nearly in tears trying to warn her. Since there was no Reading Steiner event before that, if present Okabe had done that, he would certainly remember. I guess this will be explained in one of the last 2 endings.

I did think of something else though while reading the 10th chapter. Okabe mentioned that in the Beta Worldline, he, Kurisiu and Daru get captured by SERN and work on the time machine. He then posits that he and Daru escape to form the resistance. Now I suppose it's possible that they form a resistance BEFORE 2036 when SERN conquers the world. So I guess maybe it's possible Nae became a Rounder and killed Okabe in 2025, but Daru supposedly met Suzuha's mother at ComiMa...and Suzhua was supposedly born 7 years later in 2017. So that means that Daru would have had to escape from SERN between his capture in 2010 and Suzha's birth in 2017. I have to wonder though, if you escaped from SERN and were trying to form a resistance group, why would you be hanging out at a festival like ComiMa...especially in the same city where SERN captured you before?

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I decided to start over from the beginning to get the last 2 endings. I did my first read-through essentially blind, but I am using a flow chart now to make sure I can get on the path to the last endings.

I just got back to the part where Daru reveals that there is a dedicated Fiber Line to SERN. So I am wondering now if SERN from the future had SERN in the past set up the dedicated line to the lab in order to help the Lab Mems create the time machine, or if the line is because Mr. Braun is a Rounder. I can't imagine going to the expense of having a direct fiber line just for Mr. Braun, even if he is running their search for IBN 5100s in Japan. It seems obvious SERN from the future must be communicating with SERN form the past since Moeka revealed they raided their lab because they knew they were going to go public with the Time Machine the next day.

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I'm up to chapter 9 on my True Ending playthrough. I pretty much reread everything, except for the Rainet Championship and thug chase in Chapter 7....I found that boring, and all of Chapter 8. I found all of Chapter 8 to be boring.

A few things occurred to me though. When Okabe went to Moeka's apartment and found out she had committed suicide, the officer asked him to go to the hospital to see the body because she had no family. He could have gone and seen if he could get her cell phone there, instead of jumping back to confront her. At this time he still thought she had just asked herself not to change cell phones....I guess that would have been a waste though, since that wasn't her actual D-mail. Although it seems obvious that the only person who would have stolen the IBN 5100 would have been Moeka, so it should have been obvious that her actual D-Mail was telling herself where to find the IBN 5100 before Okabe could get it.

Second, Okabe walks up on the lab and sees someone using the Time Leap Machine. When he runs upstairs to look, the person has disappeared. I know now that it was Nae...but how did she just disappear? What about time leaping would have made her body disappear? Also this shows that when a person time leaps, the timeline they leap from does in fact keep on going. Okabe didn't have a Reading Steiner event then, but I guess you have to wonder, if he would be the only person who could observe another time leaping and not forget about it.

Third, It seems Moeka, Mr. Braun and Mayuri are all fated to die, and there is no way to actually stop their death, but they could only postpone it by a few days. The only way to change their fates is to jump to another attractor field. So that makes me wonder, how did Faris's D-mail prevent the death of her father? That D-mail didn't cause them to jump to another attractor field, so why wasn't his death set in stone like Mayuri's, Moeka's and Mr. Braun's?

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I just finished the Kurisu ending. It may be the saddest ending yet. It was basically the same as the Mayuri ending, except that Okabe and Kurisu profess their love for each other. I figured this would be more like the Lukako ending where he chooses to save Kurisu at the expense of Mayuri.

It seems kind of odd, he actually loved Kurisu but chose Mayuri, whereas in the Lukako ending, he didn't really love Lukako at the time, but he chose to let Mayuri die. Also, in the Lukako ending, choosing to save Mayuri wouldn't have resulted in Lukako's death, but instead reverted her to a male. Seems to me like a much tougher choice to allow the woman he loves to die, as opposed to just changing the gender of a friend.

Another thought occurred to me . In several of the other endings, Kurisu didn’t get killed. How did SERN figure out that the original D-mail signaled some sort of Time Travel, if the contents in it did not come true? Wouldn't they look at the D-Mail and see that it signaled the death of Kurisu, and then figure out that Kurisu in fact did not die? Seems like they would look at it as some sort of fake in that case.

Eighteenth Post

I've reached the True and Final Ending.
Got the Platinum Trophy, it's my 20th. My total playtime was a little over 84 hours.

Obviously the True Ending is the happiest ending of them all, everyone seems to survive. I think the only thing sad about it is that Suzuha probably won't have any memories since she wasn't born when all of the world line changes took place. I did tear up when Okabe met Kurisu in the street and she said "how many times have I told you I am not your assistant and I am not Christina" signifying that she was regaining her memories.

The thing that I mentioned in the first post as a potential spoiler, did end up being a spoiler. When I was typing up that post, I googled, Dr. Nakabachi in order to see how his name was spelled, and of course the first result was Souichi Makise. So instantly I figured he must be Kurisu's father.

When I started my True Ending Play through and redid the prologue, I instantly recognized that the scream heard just before Kurisu's body was found was Okabe's voice. So at that point I knew Okabe from the future found her body and possibly was there at her death. After hearing her phone conversation with her father, and how much of an ass he was, and with the spoiler knowledge that Nakabachi is her father, I came to the conclusion that he probably killed her, and I was half right. By the time it became apparent that Okabe was going to intervene, and Nakabachi dropped his knife, I knew Okabe would be the one to accidentally stab Kurisu.

Once Okabe declared to the reader that he had an epiphany about how he could create a pool of blood under Kurisu when his fake light saber liquid wouldn't work, I figured he was going to kill Nakabachi and use his blood. I was kind of disappointed with Nakabachi got away. I kind of wanted him to be killed, but I guess he was arrested by the Russians and is wanted by the Tokyo Police for stabbing Okabe, so he isn't getting off scott free.

I did eventually forgive Moeka and I see I was right in my earlier post about the Lab emblem pin, except they used F for Faris instead of A for Akiha. I am really happy that the true ending puts all of the lab mems back together as friends. I am not sure I can forgive Mr. Braun. Sure he seems to be taking responsibility for brain washing Moeka, but the bastard told her to kill Mayuri in cold blood. He doesn't have the excuse of being brainwashed like Moeka, he knew very well what he was doing. That also begs the question, what if Braun or Moeka regain their memories from the other worldlines? Will they come after Okabe, Kurisu, Mayuri and Daru, or will their memories tell them that SERN has been using them all along and that they are expendable and that for their own safety they should just ignore their memories?

Overall, this was a great experience. Lots of tears were shed. It reminded me a lot of a Michael Crichton book warning about the dangers of fooling around with technology. I guess a time travel story of this magnitude is hard to write without some plot holes, but there was some stuff in there that didn't make sense to me. At different times they seemed to indicate paradoxes were not possible, then later they warned each other not to create a paradox. Also, the point about Faris being able to save her father when most other deaths seemed to be set by fate. Also the fact that Okabe had to witness Kurisu's death in order to motivate him to complete his time travel research. Then he had to make sure he still thought he witnessed Kurisu's dead body on 7/28 in order to create the first D-mail and set this plot in motion, but then he erased the fact that he killed Kurisu with his own two hands, and erased his witnessing of her death, so from that point, what motivated him to finish his time travel research?

I think it would have been easier to write if they went with something like Neil DeGrasse Tyson's explanation of the communication across time in Interstellar.

He talks about it here in this video https://youtu.be/l7tV7v71k-I?t=12m23s

He is basically saying there are no paradoxes and that everything that is going to happen will always happen. Something like that would probably prevent the plot about different attractor fields and timelines though.

Well next I'll watch the anime. Then I'll probably buy and watch the movie, then on to Steins;Gate 0 before that anime comes out. I just need to figure out if I will buy the VITA version or the PS4 version.

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I forgot to mention that I liked the touch at the end with the e-mail with the Congratulations cake which had the date that I actually finished the game.

There's no way I would have known to reload an old save if not for a guide though...of course I couldn't have reached the final ending without a guide either. All of the other endings I reached without even using a guide.


Okay…on to Steins;Gate 0 now

First Post

I'm trying to make my way through Steins;Gate 0 before the anime comes out...so here are my thoughts as I read through it

Spoilers for Steins;Gate 0 below

I am not sure how far I have gotten,but I am about 6 or 7 hours in..
A few new characters have been introduced, but the first thing I thought of writing about was the fact that they showed Daru in the future, and the artwork made him look just as fat as he is in the present, even though Suzuha has stated that he is skinny in the future.

The second thought is that Kagari looks like a younger version of Kurisu, and when she was put into the time machine with Suzuha I thought..."but wait, she never appeared in 2010 with Suzuha".. Then I see she traveled first back to 1975 with Suzuha...and I think "a ha...she gets left in 1975...what are the chances she is Kurisu's mother?"...pretty darn good I bet....I won't make the same mistake I made last time and google her name, because I am sure to spoil it for myself.
I can't wait to see what sort of things get revealed to Amadeus Kurisu though.

I think it is kind of funny how Professor Leskinen can't pronounce Rintaro, and always pronounces it "Lintalo" I wonder if that is supposed to be a shot at the West for always pointing out when a Japanese person has trouble pronouncing 'Ls'. They also designed him to look like an albino. I guess the Japanese characters are so light skinned, they had to do something to point out that Leskinen is white. He seems like a "fun guy", but there is something about him I just find untrustworthy. Maybe it is nothing, but after Moeka became one of my favorite characters in the last VN, and then betrayed everyone, I am less trusting of new characters. Maho I think I can trust, but Leskinen, I don't think I can.
Fubuuki seems to like Mayuri quite a lot, I wonder if there is a budding yuri crush there. I thought it was funny when she burst out and asked Rintaro what girl he liked. I wonder if she was gauging him as a rival for Mayuri. Kaede reminds me of a girl from another anime, but I can't quite remember who.

I remember from the original VN that Kurisu lamented everyone at her lab in the US was stuffy and disagreeable, but in Steins;Gate 0, it seems Maho was a good friend all along and probably Leskinen too.

Second Post

I'm 10 hours in now

It appears Suzuha lost Kagari in 1998, not 1975, so unless Kagari found another time machine, there goes the idea that she's Kurisu's mother. She looks so much like Kurisu though.

I'm also wondering who shot the guy who attacked Rintaro, Maho and Leskinen in the parking garage. At first I thought it could be Suzuha, but she seemed to have been sick at the time. Could it be Kagari? Perhaps the Rounders, or some other organization. Maybe Leskinen is to Steins;Gate 0 what Miles Dyson is to the Terminator Universe and some shadow organization is protecting him.

Who stole Kurisu's laptop and gave it to Daru too decrypt? Was it Leskinen? Maho? That shadow organization I mentioned? Daru said they weren't Russian, so likely not hooked up with Kurisu's dad. I can't imagine Okabe would help Daru crack the encryption and give the contents to this mystery person without at least knowing who they are. I can't believe Daru would withhold that info from Okabe, or take the job to crack it and then just give them the info, not knowing what type of things they would do with that info.

I just realized who Kaede reminds me of now....Sakura from Fate Stay Night

Third Post

I'm 22 hours in now, at least that's what my play clock says, but I wonder if my playclock still rolls when I put the game into suspend by hitting the PS button.

Okabe is still a pig headed idiot. After he went through a month of hell in the world line where the Soviet Union was attacking Japan, and then was lucky enough to get back to the other worldline, he still refuses Suzuha's plan to go back and stop the Russians from getting Kurisu's research. It should be obvious to him now, that someone else is controlling time and screwing with it and they don't care about causing major damage to the worldlines.
It also looks like my instincts on Leskinen were correct. He's done something to Maho and now he's captured Okabe. Why does he always have his right hand up over his chest? It looks stupid.

I'm not sure what Kagari's motivations are yet, and how she was strong enough as a little kid to beat Suzuha. I understand that she might not want to lose Mayuri, but she has to know that Mayuri died as soon as they time traveled back, so changing the worldline would save her parents and Mayuri, while leaving it the way it is, means Mayuri dies.
I'm also wondering where Moeka is. It seems weird they introduced her in the first 30 minutes of the VN, and she hasn't reappeared yet, and I think I have seen her in some of the key art for the anime, so she must have a role in some of the other routes of the VN.

There are quite a few errors in the text that I am noticing.

The wrong gender pronouns are often used (i.e. he/she). The part where Suzuha fights Kagari in the lab, there was a line about Kagari moving out of the line of Suzuha's "grave" when I believe it should have been "gun". There was a part where Maho said she was going to go rescue Okabe from "Maho"....it should have been Leskinen

Fourth Post

I reached my first ending for Steins;Gate 0

Gehenna's Stigma. The worst ending possible I think for either game.

Maho rescues Rintaro from Leskinen and pleads with him to reach Steins Gate. Mayuri and Suzuha may be dead...Kagari is dead and Okabe just NOPES out of any responsibility. What a whiny selfish POS he was in this ending.

It seems like the play clock runs in suspend mode too....my play clock is at 26 hours, but I had it in suspend for 5 or 6 hours today and a few hours yesterday, so it's probably closer to 18-20 hours.
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I've gone back and made choices to get on the route to different endings

I'm at the part where Lukako brings a girl with amnesia to the lab to get help returning her memories. She looks very much like Kurisu, but has bigger boobs. But she also looks exactly like a grown up Kagari, which means the author meant for Kagari to look like Kurisu...so there may still be some relation between them.

Okabe saw a picture of young Kagari, so I am not sure how he doesn't recognize her, and Suzuha walked in and saw her and asked..."who is this"....really...how in the world can Suzuha who spent years with the girl not recognize her?

Edit

Somehow the Upa keychain, and not the girl's looks clued Suzuha in to the fsct that it is Kagari.

Also another error in the text. They were calling Kagari "Kana" until they could figure out her real name and then there was a part where Suzuha asked to see the Upa, but the text said "Kagari handed the Upa to Kana"....I wonder if the Japanese text had these mistakes, or if the English script team made these mistakes.

It seems unwise for Suzuha to let Kagari out of her sight now that she found her, but they are letting her stay with Luka.

It seems unwise to tell Moeka that they found her, knowing that a mysterious group is looking for her. Okabe should be cautious, especially of Moeka after his experience with the Rounders.
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Their New Years Party was interrupted by a group of men with guns led by a shapely woman in a skin tight leather suit.....where have I seen that before?

I suppose the sameness of the event is supposed to trigger Okabe's PTSD. Although the man responsible for the men with guns and death of Mayuri on the Beta world line actually saves them on the alpha world line, what sweet irony.

In the previous route I took, the woman in the motorcycle helmet and suit was Kagari. They never showed her face, but her voice and the way she seemed to hesitate in hurting Daru and Suzuha, and the fact that she was calling Mayuri mama, seems to indicate it certainly was Kagari. In that route, she said something about "the professor" warning her about Okabe. At the time I thought she was refering to Leskinen. If she knew Leskinen, then I thought she must be working for Stratfor, but she didn't know the location of Stratfor's secret base in Tokyo, and she didn't seem to have any qualms about going to their secret base and killing all of them.

I am thinking the woman in the motorcycle helmet in this route is Professor Reyes. I thought she was working with Leskinen and Stratfor, because in the other world line Maho was caught eavesdropping on her and Leskinen when they were talking about trying to get Kurisu's laptop from Okabe. Reyes's assistants grabbed Maho and then Leskinen threatened her and obviously eventually brainwashed her or something. Since Reyes was there when all that happened, I assumed she was working with Leskinen and Stratfor. It's still possible that is happening. Either way, I am thinking perhaps Kagari was working with Reyes, and that is where she got her combat training. Somehow in this route something happened to separate her from Reyes and she got amnesia. In the last route, there was no indicator Reyes was in Tokyo around Christmas and New Years. Perhaps she was only there in this route because she was looking for Kagari. It's also possible that Reyes is working for a group that is countering Leskinen and Stratfor. The men who stormed the lab this time fired a warning shot instead of killing anyone. When the Rounders attacked, they didn't seem like they would fire a warning shot or hesitate to kill anyone.

Before the men broke in, Maho was showing everyone in the lab Amadeus, and just before the men broke in, Amadeus was shut down. Apparently it wasn't phones being jammed, because Faris could still access the internet, so it was the feed to Amadeus which was cut. So probably, the men found Kagari by monitoring Amadeaus, and they saw when Kagari appeared in the camera. It seemed like they got their awfully fast though. Also, if they could monitor Amadeus, does that mean they were working with Leskinen, and were possibly Stratfor? Also just before the men broke in, Kagari got startled and dropped a glass. I am not sure what that was about.

The difference between going down this route and the route I took previously was turning off the Amadeus app on December 15. I am not sure how that decision caused Kagari's amnesia, because she seemed to have been found before Okabe turned off the app. I am not sure how turning off the app prevented the world line shift which caused the Soviet Union too still be solvent and attacking Japan.

The world line shift in the other route occurred on December 24. Okabe had a Reading Steiner event in this route much earlier, but there is no indication of what changed.

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2. Luka sends out his D-mail wanting to change himself to a girl. The premise is telling his mother to eat vegetables when she is pregnant. This premise is put forth by the supposed genius scientist girl, Kurisu. Somehow, this D-mail ends up working. This isn’t proof that eating veggies turned Luka into a girl, but considering the D-mail (actually pager text) was sent to his mother when she was already pregnant, what is the implication here? The gender of a child is determined at conception. The determining factor is what chromosome the father's sperm cell fuses with the mother's egg. It has nothing to do with what the mother eats. Well, unless this is explained later, then it's a mistake by the author. However, I'm going to project the author's mistake onto Kurisu. She's a genius scientist, even if her specialty was physics, then she should know that the gender of a child is determined by the father, and determined at conception.

It's been a very long time, but as I recall Kurisu does say it's an old wives' tale (ergo, she doesn't believe it'd actually work).

The only explanation I can think of for the D-mail working post-conception would be something like Swyer syndrome occurring through the butterfly effect. In other words, Luka would still have their original Y chromosome, but would outwardly be a girl.

She probably wouldn't be diagnosed until her early teens (as she'd develop normally as a girl up to that point) and after diagnosis would be given hormone therapy to induce puberty and further development of sexual characteristics.

Did the author actually consider that? I've no idea, but the scenario does at least appear to pan out as, "vaguely possible," given my layman's knowledge, as we don't know what actually causes instances of Swyer syndrome to occur.
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HOOfan_1 wrote:

2. Luka sends out his D-mail wanting to change himself to a girl. The premise is telling his mother to eat vegetables when she is pregnant. This premise is put forth by the supposed genius scientist girl, Kurisu. Somehow, this D-mail ends up working. This isn’t proof that eating veggies turned Luka into a girl, but considering the D-mail (actually pager text) was sent to his mother when she was already pregnant, what is the implication here? The gender of a child is determined at conception. The determining factor is what chromosome the father's sperm cell fuses with the mother's egg. It has nothing to do with what the mother eats. Well, unless this is explained later, then it's a mistake by the author. However, I'm going to project the author's mistake onto Kurisu. She's a genius scientist, even if her specialty was physics, then she should know that the gender of a child is determined by the father, and determined at conception.

It's been a very long time, but as I recall Kurisu does say it's an old wives' tale (ergo, she doesn't believe it'd actually work).

The only explanation I can think of for the D-mail working post-conception would be something like Swyer syndrome occurring through the butterfly effect. In other words, Luka would still have their original Y chromosome, but would outwardly be a girl.

She probably wouldn't be diagnosed until her early teens (as she'd develop normally as a girl up to that point) and after diagnosis would be given hormone therapy to induce puberty and further development of sexual characteristics.

Did the author actually consider that? I've no idea, but the scenario does at least appear to pan out as, "vaguely possible," given my layman's knowledge, as we don't know what actually causes instances of Swyer syndrome to occur.


Of course even before he D-Mail everyone thought he was a girl. I think it's more likely a case of the author not letting science get in the way of the story.

Following Luka's ending all the way shows her holding a baby though. Of course the baby could have been adopted, or Luka could have been a surrogate implanted with the fertilized egg from another woman.



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Some more thoughts on my progress through Steins;Gate 0

I'm having trouble now remembering if events occurred before or after the branch between the 2 major sets of routes, so I am having to scan some Let's Plays to set my timeline straight. Specifically I was trying to remember if the attack in the parking garage occurred before or after the branch, and if the part where Suzuha chased a person in a motorcycle suit who was spying on her and Okabe at the Radio Building occurred before or after the branch.

I found out that the motorcycle spy event happened BEFORE the branch and the attack in the Parking Garage happened AFTER the branch (on the route branch which goes toward what is supposedly Kagari attacking Suzuha in the motorcyle suit and helping Maho free Okabe from Stratfor.)

The implication later when the girl in the motorcycle suit attacked Suzuha to try and get the Upa keychain back, was that the motorcycle suit person who was spying on them at the Radio Building was Kagari. If that person was in fact Kagari, then whatever led to her amnesia happened only a few days before Luka introduced her to Okabe, or something caused the past to change.

It's hard trying to form a timeline, because the date does not always appear on screen. but from what I can see

The spying event on top of the Radio building occurred on or after December 5
The route branching event occurred on December 15 (Okabe turning off the Amadeus app)
Luka told Okabe that someone was staying at his house (Kagari) on December 16...although Luka told Okabe on December 15, that he would be getting guests, although this was after the event which caused the route branch.
Luka introduced Kagari to Okabe on December 23

So it seems that Kagari already had amnesia by the 15th, the same day that the route branch event happened, however she had to have had the amnesia well before the 15th, because the implication was that she was found in the mountains and stayed at a temple up there for at least a few days. If the route branch somehow affected whether or not Kagari got Amnesia , then Okabe would have had to have a Reading Steiner event when he did the thing that caused the route branch, which was turning off the Amadeus app. He did not have a Reading Steiner event then, but he did have one later that night, and there has yet to be any clear evidence that anything changed. I guess it is possible that for some reason that the Reading Steiner event was delayed because although turning off the Amadeus app caused the routes to branch, there was still something else Okabe had to do in order to cause future events to mess with the past.

So at this point there are several possibilites

1) The person in the motorcycle suit who Suzuha chased on or after December 5 was not Kagari.
2) The person was Kagari, and she ended up with amnesia after the chase, in which case 10 days or less took place between when she got her amnesia and when she came to stay with Luka.
3) What ever happened to cause Okabe's Reading Steiner event changed the past and the spy event at the Radio Building did not occur in the new worldline.

It's also possible that Kagari got amnesia in both branch routes. In the branch where she attacks Suzuha and helps Maho save Okabe from Stratfor, she doesn't reappear until at least late June or early July. So it is possible she had amnesia, and recovered without having met up with Okabe's group while she had amnesia.


The attack in the parking garage occurred on December 15, after Okabe turned off the Amadeus app. Truning off the app caused the routes to branch.

Knowing when the attack in the parking garage took place shapes speculation on who ended up giving the attacker the coup de grace. I was speculating that it could be Kagari. If it was Kagari, then she did not get amnesia on this route. It could have also just been Stratfor guards who were shadowing Leskinen to protect him, but that's a less interesting twist and doesn't seem to warrant the mystery surrounding who gave the coup de grace.

The guy who attacked them in the parking garage, seemed to be a religious zealot who opposed the idea of Artificial Intelligence. This could have just been an act to confuse the people he was attacking, or some other group with their own motives could have just been using him to do their dirty work, or he could have just been acting of his own volition.

In my current route (the one where amnesiac Kagari meets with Okabe) there is a news report that mentions scientists who work with AI going missing. So, are religious zealots doing something to these scientists, or is some sort of organization either trying to destroy their work, or kidnapping them to steal their research and force them to continue their research for that organisation? In the same sequence with that news announcement, a reporter shows a bunch of chimp corpses with their brains removed. Since these two points of interests are mentioned in the same news report, I am assuming they are somehow related. The weird thing is, I would think any well organized and secretive organization could have disposed of the chimp bodies without them being found....unless they wanted them to be found. What is happening with their brains? Are they trying to put human memories into their brains? Does Amadeus actually run off of a chimp brain with Kurisu's memories, instead of computer processors?

Also the news reporter who found the chimp bodies is given an unusually detailed backstory. It makes me think she will become an important character later. Why else would they bother to waste time giving her such an elaborate backstory?

At this point, I am writing these logs as much for myself as for other people. It is really hard to keep the sequence of events straight in a story this long and with the fact that events can change the past, present or future. I'm sure I will need to come back and consult my own logs. Steins;Gate 0 is less linear than Steins;Gate, so it is a little harder to keep track of events.
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Posted 3/29/18 , edited 3/29/18

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I think it's more likely a case of the author not letting science get in the way of the story.

Following Luka's ending all the way shows her holding a baby though. Of course the baby could have been adopted, or Luka could have been a surrogate implanted with the fertilized egg from another woman.

Probably. Luka's older sister would be a likely candidate for an egg donor, assuming my personal rationalizations are correct.

Even if scientifically possible, the scenario still reeks of Deus ex Machina: Could altering a woman's behavior during pregnancy potentially increase the likelihood of Swyer Syndrome? Sure but, given that we don't know what causes it, what are the odds that you'd manage to do so through blind luck and an old superstition?

I was skimming your posts because I couldn't sleep and, since I can imagine a lot of people having a, "Wait, what??" reaction to that part of the story, I figured I'd share the conclusions I'd come to regarding it.
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I found it odd that Okabe approached Braun about being a Rounder. Supposedly it was to get Braun's help protecting Kagari, but I don't see how he needed to inform Braun that he knew he was a Rounder in order to get his help protecting Kagari. In the end, Braun only agreed to help them in order to protect Nae, and Okabe could have convinced him of that without telling him he knew about SERN and the Rounders. I guess Okabe did it in order to make sure that it wasn't the Rounders attacking, but obviously Braun wouldn't have sent the Rounders into that party considering Nae was there. So all Okabe did was introduce another threat to his safety.

Then Okabe found out that Yuki had an arm injury just where the girl in the motorcycle suit would have one after being kicked by Suzuha at the party attack. I can't believe Yuki would be involved with a group. How could she be, wouldn't future Daru and Suzuha have known that? The grunts from the girl in the motorcyle suit didn't sound like Yuki either, I still think it was Reyes.

I am trying to remember if Yuki had met Kagari, and I am trying to remember if Reyes saw Kagari at the shrine. I don't think Reyes did, I think Kagari was still changing when Reyes and Leskinen left the shrine. Plus the fact that Amadeus was shut down just before the attack. I am thinking that whoever found out about Kagari possibly saw her through Amadeus's camera.

Also Okabe found out from Braun that the attackers were using some sort of Military code, K6205. Kaeda suggested that it may have something to do with the catalog of Mozart's works. They theorized it may be K620, song 5, which was a song about a guy who had his lips locked shut. Perhaps the military code was about silencing a leak or something.

So I am now into the Maho ending sequence. Okabe ignored a call from Amadeus, this was after Maho told him that Amadeus was not working, so he was suspicious that it may be a trap.

After ignoring the call, he had a Reading Steiner event, and finds out that the attack on the New Year party didn't happen, thus he didn't have to let Braun know he was working for SERN. However, Maho's Hotel room was ransacked.

Maho's little thought experiment during her "interviews' with Moeka and Okabe didn't make sense. She was trying to point out that a computer can only do exactly as it is told, and can only use the information that it is given exactly as it is given, and can't deduce things from that information like humans.

I am not sure if the translation was poor or not, but she kept saying that an AI can only work with the information it is given. I contend that what makes an AI different than a regular computer, is the fact that an AI can use deductive reasoning and work with more than just the information it is given. That's the entire point of calling it "intelligence". I think she meant to show the difference between computers and actual AI, but either the script did a poor job of communicating that, or the translation was bad.
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OMFG

Nae-Chan impersonating Sergeant Hartman from Full Metal Jacket...it's too freaking good

The Japanese seem to like that scene

SHOW ME YOUR CLEAN FACE!!
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Sitting at a lacrosse game today, I was thinking about Steins;Gate.

It occurred to me that Rintaro was suspecting Yuki of being the motorcycle suit girl because she had a wound on her arm in the spot that motorcycle girl did. But, there was the incident at the Party where everyone surprised Suzuha and she nearly took Yuki's head of. Now you could say Yuki deftly moved away from that punch, but I would think if she were well trained, her instict would have been to block it. I guess I will have to see.
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I reached the Maho ending. Reyes killed Leskinen...no loss there, good riddance. Although it was apparent they were working together in the Leskinen ending. I wonder if she just double crossed him or she was working for another employer and they just knew about each other and kind of helped each other.

Looks like I was probably right about Reyes being the woman in the motorcycle suit. I was kind of hoping she wasn't a homicidal maniac, but she ended up being one.

It doesn't make sense to me that Maho would give up the control codes when she knew for a fact that Reyes would kill her anyway. It makes no sense that she would do it after Reyes shot Moeka in front of her. It makes no sense that she would just delete Amadeus when she flat out said that there was no way for anyone to gain access to Amadeus's secrets, and no way for anyone to control Amadeus. So she deleted Amadeus, just to tell Reyes, who was intent on killing her anyway. It just makes no sense, why not just tell Reyes that is what would happen before giving her the control codes?

How did Reyes know Moeka was a Rounder? Either she worked for SERN (but wouldn't that make her a Rounder as well?) or SERN wasn't hiding their movements as well as they though.

It's interesting that Amadeus basically turned into Kurisu at the end, and somehow gained her memories from across worldlines, but at the same time, it kind of doesn't make sense, since the memories given to Amadeus by Kurisu came from before all of those events in Steins;Gate happened. So now Maho is going to have to complete Kurisu's time machine research and try to convince Okabe to reach Steins;Gate. Of course since Kurisu told Maho at the end that Steins Gate is real and they can reach it, does that mean she had memories of things that had not happened yet in this Worldline?

This ending kind of reminds me of the Suzuha ending from the first VN, it ends with a hint of hope, but still a cliff hanger.

Edit

There was never an explanation of what caused the Reading Steiner event that started this chapter and erased the attack at the New Year Party. It was caused by Okabe ignoring the Amadeus Call. It must have something to do with Maho completing Kurisu's research.

There is a Reading Steiner event if he doesn;t ignore the call as well.

So far this game doesn't explain the worldline shifts as well as the original game.

Another edit

Some more thoughts I forgot to add. In Steins:Gate, wimpy little Okabe with no military training was able to overpower Moeka, in Steins;Gate 0, Moeka was able to silently take down 3 dudes with military training.

These endings seem less like dating sim endings than those in the first game. In the first game Okabe ended up with one of the various girls in each of the endings. He doesn't end up with any girl in either of the two endings I've reached so far.

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I just reached the Kagari ending......THE FEELS...THEY HURT SO MUCH

Certainly the most heart wrenching ending of Steins;Gate 0 so far, possibly the most heard wrenching ending of either game to this point. Kind of like the Suzuha ending of the first game, it ends as a cliff hanger.

So...the song that is important in this ending...it seems like

Kagari learned it from Mayuri
Mayuri learned it from Suzuha
Suzuha learned it from Yuki
Yuki learned it from Okabe's mother
Okabe's mother learned it from Okabe
Okabe learned it from......Kagari? That's some Interstellar style temporal loop right there.

So far nothing more has been said about the brainless chimps, or the reporter with way too much back story to just be a throw away character....

Who was the apparently Japanese professor who was experimenting on Kagari in this ending? Did he just pick her up because she was an orphan? Did he know she was from the future? Did she go around telling people she was from the future and they thought she was mentally ill? It didn't seem like anyone was looking for her in this ending though. Although this ending was triggered when Stratfor was trying to kidnap her and Okabe and his friends tried to use the time leap machine technology to implant her memories back into her.
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I just finished the Kurisu Ending "Promised Rinascimento"

There have been other endings that kind of ended without a resolution to the plot, but this one seems even like less of an ending than those, specifically because it makes no excuses about leading toward another ending. It's really seeming to lead into the theory I posted above by Neil Degrasse Tyson. That everything in time matters and the way the future can loop back into the past.

In all, I thought it was kind of a boring ending, didn't really give me the feels as much. Just more confirmation for what I said earlier about Reyes working both with and against Leskinen and Reyes probably being the woman in the motorcycle suit. I guess she isn't going to be like Moeka, there will be no redemption for her.

There really was no payoff to Okabe suspecting Yuki of being in on trying to kidnap Kagari. I guess it was used as a feint to the reader, but I never once suspected that she was actually part of it. How could she be if she actually does get with Daru and have a kid? Wouldn't Daru and Suzuha have warned Okabe that she was an enemy agent? Plus the first time Suzuha attacked her, she didn't seem adept enough to defend herself.

There was also absolutely no pay off to the part about the reporter finding the dead chimps. Sure they referred to experiments on animals, but that entire scene seemed superfluous. Why would an organization like Stratfor not destroy the bodies? Why in the world did the authors make such a point to give the reporter a complicated back story? I can't imagine that bit will have any impact on the last 2 endings, because they are kind of on the other side of the flow chart.

Also, the part at the end when Okabe and Suzuha confront Reyes annoyed me a little. I never understand in these fictional standoff situations, why one of the parties would put down their gun. Suzuha and Reyes were basically in an even standoff. Suzuha KNEW that Reyes would kill them no matter how the situation turned out, so why in the world would she put her gun down? I guess in the end, it was supposed to be part of a plan to deceive Reyes, but Suzuha got shot, and could easily have been killed before she was able to put her gun on Reyes again.....and the part about shooting Reyes' gun out of her hand...nearly impossible no matter how skilled and trained the shooter is. Not to mention a trained warrior, would have been trained to shoot for the chest to ensure the opponent was stopped.

If Reyes was so happy at the end to just use Kurisu's memories on herself, why didn't she do that to begin with? At the same time, did she think she would retain her own will? If Kurisu's memories overwrote hers, there is no way Kurisu would give her time machine data over to the government.

I've seen people online calling Kagari a superfluous character, even saying they hated her. I agree, it is weird the way they had to patch her into the canon of Steins;Gate, but I still think her ending was one of the best and saddest of the series.

Now I need to go WAY back to an old save to make my way toward the last 2 endings.
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Well' I've reached the last two endings.

Honestly, the True ending only lasted maybe 5 or 10 minutes after the Mayurui ending and it ended up being a bit of a cliff hanger, so I am not exactly sure what the purpose of it was. Are we going to get a third Visual Novel? It ended with Okabe from 2025 trying to get Mayuri and Suzuha from 2011 back from their mission which ended the Mayuri ending.

But there are some WTF things that are completely confusing me.

Okay, so apparently Kagari met up with Leskinen in order to stop Suzuha....Leskinen would have had to have found her on the streets in Japan....how would she have made it to America with no money and not knowing anyone? Why was Leskinen in Japan when he found her?

Apparently he also brainwashed her in the guise of curing her PTSD in the future. Did he have the knowledge of who to brainwash in the future because of what went on in the past? I guess it has to be the case.

So apparently Kagari knew about Yuki Amane marrying Itaru....and she apparently knew that she would be away from Japan for 3 years, so she had plastic surgery to look like Yuki in order to infiltrate Okabe's group. So that means Okabe was right when he suspected the injury to Yuki's arm was caused when Suzuha kicked her during the attack at the New Years eve party.

But at the same time, if Kagari had plastic surgery to look like Yuki...then who the hell was the Red haired girl who looked exactly like Kagari and had Kagari's memories? Was she another person who had plastic surgery to look like Kagari and Leskinen put Kagari's memories in her? IF that is the case, WHY??? What would be the point? Was she another Kagari from another world line that jumped back? I mean in the New Year's Eve attack, the Kagari who had plastic surgery to look like Yuki was trying to capture the Kagari that looked like Kagari, and in another ending, the fake Yuki was tasked with defending the red haird Kagari.

Also in the true ending, apparently Kagari survived being shot on the roof and was an adult in 2025...but she looked like the red haired Kagari. None of this was ever explained in the Visual Novel.

I am also pissed, that there was a movie at the end of the true ending which had japanesse text and dialogue, but there were no subtitles to translate it. I am pretty sure it was Suzuha saying something....perhaps that was the explanation of that ending....WTF pBQube...why didn't you translate that?
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