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Posted 3/29/18 , edited 3/29/18
i don't mean dark as in bloody either but i have seen this in Kekkai Sensen and MHA where the screen gets really dark and greyed out during the intense action scenes i find it annoying as fuck

As an example this part of the MHA fight

https://youtu.be/lAFVR85hDNo?t=236

I heard one person say it was because of seizures but surely a warning makes more sense and surely the Japanese aren't that prone to seizures?

Just wanna know as it annoys me so much i feel i need to know why they do it
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I think it's mostly due to the infamous Porygon episode in Pokemon years ago where hundreds of people ended up hospitalized for seizures. TV anime broadcasts have since had restrictions placed on them.

The affected scenes are usually shone in their normal, undimmed state in the blu-ray/dvd releases, though.
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Posted 3/29/18 , edited 3/29/18

MobiusRaptor wrote:

I think it's mostly due to the infamous Porygon episode in Pokemon years ago where hundreds of people ended up hospitalized for seizures. TV anime broadcasts have since had restrictions placed on them.

The affected scenes are usually shone in their normal, undimmed state in the blu-ray/dvd releases, though.


hmm interesting but that sucks that, that one episode caused such restrictions
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Just wikied the Pokemon episode responsible......685 kids hospitalized.

Only a small faction were later diagnosed as having photosensitive seizures.

People were reported to have had seizures from clips of the episode shown on the news.

12000 people reported as being ill from it...but that was discounted as mass panic.

And there are guidelines now for tv broadcast in japan to reduce the chances of photo sensitive seizures.


But there is more then just seizures at play there is also flicker vertigo. Which can happen to people with out epilepsy. (flickering light and sound matching brainwave activity is the theory behind it) There are attempts to turn this effect into a non lethal weapon.

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MobiusRaptor wrote:

I think it's mostly due to the infamous Porygon episode in Pokemon years ago where hundreds of people ended up hospitalized for seizures. TV anime broadcasts have since had restrictions placed on them.

The affected scenes are usually shone in their normal, undimmed state in the blu-ray/dvd releases, though.


Well, the episode was first aired in 1997. A lot of anime produced since then doesn't have these dimmed scenes, so while it's still possible that it has something to do with it, I doubt that's the actual reason.

If the scenes are undimmed in the physical release, it could be either due to a specific production set up... Or simply a means to encourage people to buy the DVD or Blu-Ray.

But it is certainly rather strange.
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Posted 3/29/18 , edited 3/29/18

MobiusRaptor wrote:

I think it's mostly due to the infamous Porygon episode in Pokemon years ago where hundreds of people ended up hospitalized for seizures. TV anime broadcasts have since had restrictions placed on them.

The affected scenes are usually shone in their normal, undimmed state in the blu-ray/dvd releases, though.


What's crazy is that while Pokemon had to take an extended hiatus this incident almost completely cancelled Pokemon entirely. If it had been I can't imagine how much change in history there would have been for the whole world.
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Posted 3/29/18 , edited 3/29/18

MobiusRaptor wrote:

I think it's mostly due to the infamous Porygon episode in Pokemon years ago where hundreds of people ended up hospitalized for seizures. TV anime broadcasts have since had restrictions placed on them.

The affected scenes are usually shone in their normal, undimmed state in the blu-ray/dvd releases, though.


What I find ridiculous is that the flashing in that episode was so clearly in the extreme region that no one would look at it and think, "Yeah. This looks like a sensible thing to put in a popular anime, to be broadcasted to an entire nation, without warning." I understand taking precautions against something that caused seizures in hundreds of kids across the country, though. It just seems like the animators could use more common sense to get around the issue, and not putting in clearly seizure-inducing strobe lighting, than making the scenes pretty dim in the airing episodes.
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Posted 3/29/18 , edited 3/29/18
On April 3rd FUNi is going to upload the uncut version of the episode without dimming on Funimation now. Always the same-day as the home video release.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBHYUPlVFFE&t=1s (it'S the last battle in that video. It's without it)
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kaedal wrote:

Well, the episode was first aired in 1997. A lot of anime produced since then doesn't have these dimmed scenes, so while it's still possible that it has something to do with it, I doubt that's the actual reason.

If the scenes are undimmed in the physical release, it could be either due to a specific production set up... Or simply a means to encourage people to buy the DVD or Blu-Ray.

But it is certainly rather strange.


This post mentions how a device is used to automatically adjust the brightness to fit broadcast regulations.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/12/03-1/ufotable-shows-off-fatestay-night-blu-ray-differences


For anyone wanting more information on the incident and the aftermath, check out this Bulbagarden article.
http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/kanto/ep038.html
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MobiusRaptor wrote:

This post mentions how a device is used to automatically adjust the brightness to fit broadcast regulations.
http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2014/12/03-1/ufotable-shows-off-fatestay-night-blu-ray-differences


For anyone wanting more information on the incident and the aftermath, check out this Bulbagarden article.
http://dogasu.bulbagarden.net/comparisons/kanto/ep038.html


Oh, that makes perfect sense then. That's... Actually fascinating. I had no idea that was a thing. Guess that actually is the reason, then!
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Posted 3/29/18 , edited 3/29/18
^ More interesting facts. Finally got some answers.
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So is that applied prior to broadcast, in anticipation of regulation? Or is it applied by the broadcaster on-air, if it 'senses' the levels? If the latter it wouldn't make sense for streaming so I'd guess they studios layer it on from an abundance of caution (and disc sales)?
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Posted 3/30/18 , edited 3/31/18
Just another form of censoring so people will buy the blueray/DVD I see nothing has changed in this respect. I see anime producers still don't listen to their customers. LMAO!
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Posted 4/3/18 , edited 4/4/18
Damn, here I was thinking it was just me and my shitty old eyes. Glad to know the dimness is really a thing and not just another sign of aging!
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Posted 4/3/18 , edited 4/4/18
They really need to let viewers know they plan on doing this. This season alone Overlord, Violet Evergarden and I believe DB Super had some scenes like that and I could not see shit. If the point is to reduce seizures, what's the point in making the entire screen black when you'll just have to turn up the brightness to even see anything? I guess this is purely a matter of laziness, this way they only have to make one version of the show for everyone. Now it makes a lot of sense why Assassination Classroom had a ton of scenes like this though.
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