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Post Reply did anyone see the CNN special on sex and love in tokyo?
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Posted 3/31/18 , edited 4/1/18
They said that 40% of the men are virgins. So, do you think that the men actually pass out from nosebleeds when they see a naked girl?
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You know the best way to a womans heart?
Just tell her she fineeeee
Posted 3/31/18 , edited 4/1/18
Their population has been declining, so it wouldn't surprise me if they die out in a few generations.
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In Japan, no one wants to bang.

No bangs, no future...oh wait we have robots. We good!
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if they'd stop allowing them to marry inanimate objects (pillows, video games, robots) there might be a chance, unfortunately inanimate objects are perfect (or made that way), you can't make a perfect human, they don't exist (well flesh folks, guess we'll be at perfect human in a decade or two). in Japan women aren't as submissive and stuck in the 1950s, they want equal rights, want to stop being harassed and molested, and they want to work and family comes second. in Japan, sometimes the female wants to work after getting married, or the man to live at home and raise the family. things aren't as backwoods as they use to be and some men are having issues with that as well.
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Posted 4/1/18 , edited 4/1/18
Apparently, Japan's birthrate, although low, isn't particularly special.

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2QoTe_EXnM
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Posted 4/1/18 , edited 4/1/18
This is why we can't have too many attractive people in one place. They won't breed. They're like pandas or goliath toads in captivity.

Majestic and not in the mood.


Trust me, I have a degree from the University of Armchair Anthropological Studies
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I reckon in around 80 to 120 years from now the same could be said for the west. I probably won't be alive to see if I'm true then, but at least I can enjoy the ensuing political hit-show each this topic is brought up on forums, today.
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Posted 4/1/18 , edited 4/1/18
Japan has a unique situation where the average married salary man is overworked, doesn't see his family and has no time nor energy to spend much of that money he makes. Japanese men have realized that if they don't marry they have a way out of that dismal life.
Think about it, if someone said that you could either get married and have kids that you would never see and would work 80 hours a week while having money that you could essentially not spend or any other option I think most of us would also choose the latter one.



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if they'd stop allowing them to marry inanimate objects (pillows, video games, robots) there might be a chance, unfortunately inanimate objects are perfect (or made that way), you can't make a perfect human, they don't exist (well flesh folks, guess we'll be at perfect human in a decade or two). in Japan women aren't as submissive and stuck in the 1950s, they want equal rights, want to stop being harassed and molested, and they want to work and family comes second. in Japan, sometimes the female wants to work after getting married, or the man to live at home and raise the family. things aren't as backwoods as they use to be and some men are having issues with that as well.



I think that is a bit reversed. The so called inanimate objects grew in popularity to fill a void. Many of these men for whatever reason were deemed undesirable (fairly or unfairly) as a potential mate, realized this and proceeded accordingly (i.e. dropped out of the dating market).

While men have some of the blame, now that women are making more money for whatever reason society still looks down on women "marrying down" since they should have "done better" and the man who married up as a "failure" for not being the breadwinner.
As such, many women will not marry a man who is not at least equal in financial status. Therefore there are more women pursuing a smaller number of men creating an imbalance and in turn leaving some men to seek this type of escapism you previously mentioned.

Obviously, now that both men and women are going to have similar incomes some women will be the ones "marrying up" and sometimes the man will be that one. For whatever reason, there is still a disconnect between the equality many of us believe in and the actual actions many people are still taking. (saying they believe in true equality, yet make actions that seem hypocritical of those statements)

Long story short: most of this can be blamed on the disconnect between the actual/current financial dynamics between men and women and the outdated one far too many are still blindly following/refusing to abandon. Both men and women share this blame.


Cardamom_Ginger wrote:

Apparently, Japan's birthrate, although low, isn't particularly special.

Relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2QoTe_EXnM


Another good point. Many forget to mention that without immigration our population would also be in decline as well since we are also having children below the replacement rate. Japan's rate is about the same of Germany's, the difference is that there isn't much immigration to Japan, hence the very visible population decline.
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Posted 4/1/18 , edited 4/2/18
I happen to remember a deceptive CNN article that may have been talking about the same study. The study focused on single Japanese millenials, while the headline portrayed the results as if they applied to all Japanese millenials: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/09/20/asia/japanese-millennials-virgins/index.html
Granted, it's true that their population is declining though.
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Why would anyone watch CNN? It's like the onion but they think everything they write is real.
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Rujikin wrote:

Why would anyone watch CNN? It's like the onion but they think everything they write is real.


lmao, you got me crying over here
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Posted 4/2/18 , edited 4/3/18
Jeez. I post a clearly tongue-in-cheek topic, expecting a torrent of witty comments to ensue, and what happens? You guys are taking it seriously. Fine. Have it your way. This is the link to the survey that was mentioned on CNN. http://www.ipss.go.jp/ps-doukou/e/doukou15/Nfs15R_summary_eng.pdf . Page 14 has the table with the virgin results, but I found the whole survey more than fascinating. As mentioned in an earlier post, it refers to single millenials, not all adults which CNN did not qualify. After a very quick read, it looks like they don't want to get married because of the expense for child care and education. They need to start subsidizing those things if they don't want to disappear from the planet. Didn't see why the virgins are virgins, but the answer may be in there. They asked about almost everything.
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Posted 4/4/18 , edited 4/4/18
Ok. I looked at the report a little more carefully and I think economic forces are the reason so many single men are virgins.

On page 6, single men with full-time employment have high expections of getting married within a year. Unemployed single men, not so much.

On page 7, women rate "financial stability" as a major reason to get married.

On page 19, women expect men to have a good personality, and it wouldn't hurt if they were rich and handsome.

On page 20-21, single men that have full-time employment tend to not live with their parents, whereas the unemployed or under-employed do.

On page 30, for couples, contraception of choice is condoms, followed by withdrawal method.

So here is what I am thinking. If the guy is living with his parents, he is not making enough money to strike out on his own. He has not achieved self-sufficiency. The women are looking for financial stability, so a guy living with his parents may not be entertained as a marriage prospect.

The survey broke out contraception for couples but not for singles. Now if you make the assumption, and I admit it is an iffy assumption, that they use the same contraception methods they did when single, then that would mean it is like the birth control pill was never invented. Condoms are not birth control. I think everyone from my generation is here today because of a broken condom. So, if a single women is relying on condoms for contraception, she might not be so quick to have sex with a guy just because he took her to dinner and a movie. It is likely she would only take the risk for a marriage prospect. So when the guy takes the girl to his place, and she see's that he is living with his parents, he is not considered a marriage prospect and the relationship ends quickly. Hence, men having financially difficulty, stay virgins.
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Posted 4/5/18 , edited 4/5/18
Those numbers are at best completely manipulated & at worst just plain false. No, they're just plain false. They only polled single guys. That cuts out a massive amount of men in Japan. I would put my last lucky penny on betting probably around 30-40% of single men in America are virgins as well. But if you include married men & men in relationships, well, those numbers would tank. I'm not quite sure why this keeps coming up, the whole "almost half of Japanese men are virgins" myth. Probably because of the whole NEET phenomenon. And I'm sure the news articles on that are manipulated & full of inaccuracies.
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