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It appears from the end credits that we still have one more horse maiden to add to Team Spica.



Meijro McQueen is her name.
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I was curious about whether fillies race and it turns out they do but with a win rate that lags behind the stallions and geldings. However it seems another factor plays into the choice of male horses over female horses for racing and that's the breeding potential after they retire. Let's just say you can make a lot more money from the potential number of offspring with a sought-after male racehorse than a female.
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I was curious about whether fillies race and it turns out they do but with a win rate that lags behind the stallions and geldings. However it seems another factor plays into the choice of male horses over female horses for racing and that's the breeding potential after they retire. Let's just say you can make a lot more money from the potential number of offspring with a sought-after male racehorse than a female.


"Breeding potential" is one of the many unsettling and unanswered questions behind the world building of this show. -.-

Another one is gambling. There is no way whatsoever there's no one betting on these races.

What about juicing? Why aren't the girls being drug tested at regular intervals?

And how the heck is El Condor both a professional runner and somehow 5'3 with a 35 inch bust?

Oh god, I entered her measurements into a body visualizer.

What madness have I wrought? What is wrong with this world?



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Well, Aoi Asahina from Dangan Ronpa is also 5'3" with a 35 inch bust and she's a Super High School Level Swimmer. So the answer is Japan? *shrug*
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I decided to do a painting inspired by Usamusume of a horse girl running on the track. As a basis I used a picture in an Art Models book of a girl in a running pose, and then tried to put a horse maiden outfit on her. As a result, the running pose is that of a "normal" girl, and not a running pose from the anime. I made her a palomino (blonde) since everyone "knows" that all the people in America have blonde hair.

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kiltmaker2 wrote:

I decided to do a painting inspired by Usamusume of a horse girl running on the track. As a basis I used a picture in an Art Models book of a girl in a running pose, and then tried to put a horse maiden outfit on her. As a result, the running pose is that of a "normal" girl, and not a running pose from the anime. I made her a palomino (blonde) since everyone "knows" that all the people in America have blonde hair.



Very nice!
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"Breeding potential" is one of the many unsettling and unanswered questions behind the world building of this show. -.-

Another one is gambling. There is no way whatsoever there's no one betting on these races.


So you have also noticed the place looks outright dystopian under the surface? I wrote about it at length here (spoiler alert possibly) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/UmaMusume

I am hoping for a Madoka-style dark turn around Tenno Sho. If not, this will be fanfic fodder.



What about juicing? Why aren't the girls being drug tested at regular intervals?


Well this one is easier, we do not see them 24/7 and they can easily get tested before races without us seeing it, and then never talk about it when we do see them. A urine test or even a finger prick won't bother Spe-chan all too much.


And how the heck is El Condor both a professional runner and somehow 5'3 with a 35 inch bust?


She is not exactly human. Human limitations do not apply to horse girls. We see Spe-chan in the first episode, before her formal training, run long-distance at the speed of a car in the city, so I'd guess about 50 kph - while for humans the world record even short-distance is under 45 kph.

So I'm not worried about this one. (However, the fact that Trainer is not visibly injured by horse girls' back kicks is pure artistic license, unless he is an android).

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So you have also noticed the place looks outright dystopian under the surface? I wrote about it at length here (spoiler alert possibly) http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/UmaMusume

I am hoping for a Madoka-style dark turn around Tenno Sho. If not, this will be fanfic fodder.


It will be fanfic fodder. The show is based on / meant to sell a mobile game that's basically just a cutesy idol manager where you collect em all like a creepy game of Pokemon.




ramendik wrote:Well this one is easier, we do not see them 24/7 and they can easily get tested before races without us seeing it, and then never talk about it when we do see them. A urine test or even a finger prick won't bother Spe-chan all too much.


The far more plausible explanation is that the writer's simply don't care to put anything more into this than cute horse girls with cute horse facts. >.>




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She is not exactly human. Human limitations do not apply to horse girls. We see Spe-chan in the first episode, before her formal training, run long-distance at the speed of a car in the city, so I'd guess about 50 kph - while for humans the world record even short-distance is under 45 kph.


It's not a matter of human limitations unless that limitation is somehow "maintaining a body otaku find hawt". You simply don't keep that kind of soft and squishy body fat as a trained sprinter/runner. This show would be a total non-starter for the crowd it's aiming for if these girls had realistic builds for sprinters/runners.

It's 100% artistic license to sell cute girls doing cute things to the sort of crowd that buys merch with said cute girls on it. -.-

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It will be fanfic fodder. The show is based on / meant to sell a mobile game that's basically just a cutesy idol manager where you collect em all like a creepy game of Pokemon.


Exactly what I thought. But there seems to be a quality team behind it. People are finding lots of real-life references (Spe-chak, er, kun's real life mother died too). And then there is the Foreboding Moment in ep4 with Suzuka and Tenno Sho. Which coincides with another real life fact. A fact that is not cute by any measure.

The writers are so darn good at their research (and at fleshing out way too many characters because they have to) that they might be aware of the creepiness of the entire thing.

But we will know this when Tenno Sho rolls in. I'm holding my horses on fanfic exactly because I have some hope for canon.






ramendik wrote:Well this one is easier, we do not see them 24/7 and they can easily get tested before races without us seeing it, and then never talk about it when we do see them. A urine test or even a finger prick won't bother Spe-chan all too much.


The far more plausible explanation is that the writer's simply don't care to put anything more into this than cute horse girls with cute horse facts. >.>


Or that. Which is why I am quite interested how they will handle a very non-cute horse fact.






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She is not exactly human. Human limitations do not apply to horse girls. We see Spe-chan in the first episode, before her formal training, run long-distance at the speed of a car in the city, so I'd guess about 50 kph - while for humans the world record even short-distance is under 45 kph.


It's not a matter of human limitations unless that limitation is somehow "maintaining a body otaku find hawt". You simply don't keep that kind of soft and squishy body fat as a trained sprinter/runner. This show would be a total non-starter for the crowd it's aiming for if these girls had realistic builds for sprinters/runners.

It's 100% artistic license to sell cute girls doing cute things to the sort of crowd that buys merch with said cute girls on it. -.-



Checked her figure and I would agree now. The hourglass thin waist does not look realistic for a well-trained girl, she'd have muscle there too.

But big breasts in themselves are not the problem, they don't disappear with training. Or if they do, please give me proof links now. I know a girl who really hates her overly big breasts - but they did not shrink even when she lost a lot of weight elsewhere to moderate exercise and a good diet. This resulted in a crazy cup size, and she is not a fetishy character but a girl whom I know offline (she happens to be a lesbian), and she does not have the $$$ for breast reduction surgery, and this is really terrible on her back. If she could reduce her breasts by training to professional runner standards, she would actually do it.
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On a less serious note, I just stumbled upon very good art of Silence Suzuka... and I don't mean the girl.

somehow the image upload does not seem to work well so you can see it here: https://ifke.deviantart.com/art/silence-suzuka-134947035

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ramendik wrote:
The writers are so darn good at their research (and at fleshing out way too many characters because they have to) that they might be aware of the creepiness of the entire thing.


This is in the same vein as the girls as naval ships shows. There's a lot of attention to detail in the "otaku" side of that in terms of character design and real world references but it's not about to extend much into the writing.



ramendik wrote:but the general fact that injured racehorses can be put down.


The show has already intentionally subverted this. There is one horse girl with an injured leg and she's specifically recovering instead of being hauled off to the glue factory.

I mean, I would laugh my ass off if the show actually did a dark twist and went there but it's not that kind of show or that kind of media property.



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Checked her figure and I would agree now. The hourglass thin waist does not look realistic for a well-trained girl, she'd have muscle there too.

But big breasts in themselves are not the problem, they don't disappear with training. Or if they do, please give me proof links now. I know a girl who really hates her overly big breasts - but they did not shrink even when she lost a lot of weight elsewhere to moderate exercise and a good diet. This resulted in a crazy cup size, and she is not a fetishy character but a girl whom I know offline (she happens to be a lesbian), and she does not have the $$$ for breast reduction surgery, and this is really terrible on her back. If she could reduce her breasts by training to professional runner standards, she would actually do it.


They should be little else but muscle with the amount of training they do. Hence me disbelieving Special Week could actually gain weight as fat instead of muscle. Special Week should have washboard abs by now.

They don't disappear no, but you do lose body fat and thus some measure of breast size with this level of cardio exercise. A sprinter is going to be more muscle than fat and a marathon runner especially you'd be hard pressed to find an ounce of fat on them.





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Or that. Which is why I am quite interested how they will handle a very non-cute horse fact.




I have my doubts the series will pull a Madoka.

They've already shown Grass Wonder with her injury which is receiving treatment. In addition, the reason horses in general are put down if they suffer a serious leg injury is it's almost impossible for them to recover due to their physiology. A horse can't use crutches or other devices to keep their weight off a badly injured leg. As a result the injury will never heal properly with the horse suffering quite a lot.



In contract the characters of Uma Musume are bipedal. Even if one them breaks a leg they can have a cast and crutches and time to heal back just like a human. Though they might be forced to retire from racing.
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Though they might be forced to retire from racing.


That is one of the biggest questions I have about this. Special Week's mother is the only horse woman I think we've seen in the show. There's no horse women, horse retirees or horse grandparents around that I recall seeing even in the crowd. You would think if the horse girls make it past the age of 21 they would be the foremost choices for coaches/teachers and what not for younger horse girls. At the very least a few should still be fans of the sport.

Unless they're glue or put out to, er, stud as it were.

Hell, I would settle for just seeing like, a horse office lady so we know this society isn't entirely enslaving them for sport. ;p




( Mildly alarmed that Getty has an entire stock photo selection for office business horse )
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They've already shown Grass Wonder with her injury which is receiving treatment.


I have checked and found... well. what I expected to find at this point. knowing what the team does about detail.

As a foreign-bred horse, Grass Wonder was not eligible to race in many of the major Japanese races for three-year-olds, and when he sustained a leg injury in March 1998 it was decided to reserve him for an autumn campaign. He made his first appearance of the year he finished fifth behind Silence Suzuka in the Grade II Mainichi Okan over 1800 metres at Tokyo in October. In the following month he was moved up in distance for the Grade II Copa Republica Argentina over 2500 metres at Tokyo and finished sixth behind Yusei Top Run.

It seems the story is based mostly on the year 1998 and the real-life Grass Wonder was actually injured and actually recovered.

(Speaking of which: I wonder what year it is inworld. Nobody seems to have mobile phones, not even the trainers, so I would suspect 1998. But Episode 1 has IC touch cards at a Tokyo station; as I understand these came in somewhat later? I could not find the exact information about IC cards, though - the technology apparently did exist by 1998, the first mass transit system seems to be Hong Kong in 1996, so perhaps Tokyo was an early adopter? If it was, then 1998 inworld it is? We do see a laptop with a color screen in operation, but these did exist).

EDIT: no, there were no IC cards in Tokyo mas transit in 1998. http://www.ejrcf.or.jp/jrtr/jrtr62/pdf/6-15_web.pdf mentions "the first appearance of IC cards in Greater Tokyo in 2001". So WHAT YEAR is it? And if it's 2018, where are all the mobile phones? I understand that girls in an academy might not be allowed those (or, in a dystopian vision, horsegirls might not be allowed those). But why don't trainers have mobile phones?


In addition, the reason horses in general are put down if they suffer a serious leg injury is it's almost impossible for them to recover due to their physiology.


That's true.

On the other hand, the general premise appears decidedly dystopian. Most significantly, where are the older horsegirls? Except those who are mothers, and even they don't seem to be seen around. The others... just disappeared? Not in the crowd, not anywhere.

Also some artistic license was taken with RL timelines and relations, what with Teio apparently NOT being Rudolf's child - BTW the hint at a "ship" between these two acquires a squicky taste when you know the RL relationship. But then again in a full on genetic-punk world Teio might not even know if Rudolf's genes were used in inseminating her mother, who, I guess, was named Tokai Natural... I don't expect the show to go THAT far of course, even if it does go dark - the blood relationships in that world are probably just different from RL, despite Spe-chan's dead mother actually being RL true.

Another note - after rewatching Ep 1 I see a theme there. Special Week wants to be the best horse girl in Japan. Everyone takes this to be about racing, except possibly Trainer. But the real meaning might be implied to be something else.

This is of course all speculation and we'll know when Tenno Sho comes up... If you're right, I'm writing the dark stuff. I just want to give canon a chance. A darkfic right now might be a false start.

P.S. I never watched KanColle but back in Russia (I'm originally from there) there is a group of RL people, mostly women, who identified with WW1-WW2 battleships way before KanColle was a thing. And I gotta tell you, "Gneisenau" was... quite convincing last time I saw this person, which was sadly many years ago. Would love to find the contacts again and see what they think of KanColle.
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